Have the feeling these Ole fanboys don‘t watch any football apart from the dross they get served every week
You just realised. All they watch is United
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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You just realised. All they watch is United
I have no words.
At least I now understand why you are Ole out
No help me out. So Bruno’s level. So take his international team Portugal. Let’s fairly say Ronaldo is there best player. Who is after him?
The only United player that you could make an argument for being on Bruno's level is Shaw. Pogba is far too inconsistent. Martial, Cavani, Rashford and VDB are laughable suggestions(particularly the latter).
Assuming you are right Ole's coaching experience/ability is less than the two, we all know that there is a big difference between improving a team and winning the league (if winning the league is easy, everyone will be doing it). Ole would never be on the list to coach us if he had not been one of our players. So what you said is neither here nor there.
My point is, winning the league takes much much more than just having a brilliant coach. Ole is probably the only one coach who has been understudying from Fergie in ways that are working towards leading United. You will say Giggs did the same but I don't think he took notes like Ole did
Yes, it is frustrating to see Ole time and time again being very stubborn (Maguire for example), we should still give him sometime! If it were Poch or Tuchel who had taken us to 2nd on the table at this stage and knocked Liverpool out of the FA Cup, some people on here would have said that it's an extraordinary feat.
Be patient with Ole.
What are you babbling on about? I asked you a question where you said I had been against all Ole Out fans and asked you to provide evidence yet you have been unable to do so. You have been slagging off the manager consistently and clearly have an agenda against the manager, comments like 'this isn't managing semi amateur players in Norway' prove that. Your posts aren't constructive criticism, its personal stuff. Also who the hell are you to call anyone a mediocre fan?
Again I go back to my original point. You accused me of going again every supporter who has criticised Ole so can you provide some evidence to back this up or is it just more WUMing by you?
In Portugual. Ronaldo is number 1 and then who? Bruno?
The individual brilliance argument yet again. Look at the number of well worked goals we've scored in the last 10 years. I'm more than certain, atleast 50% of those would have come in the last 2 seasons. That's not individual brilliance.
And I don't mind having a manager buying a top class layer, or creating one from the academy and then relying on them to produce the goods.
Pep without Messi hasn't won the CL despite coaching some of the best and most expensive sides ever. Is he a fraud as he relies on individual brilliance? Or is Klopp a flop for having an implosion of sorts at Pool without VVD? SAF for his reliance on RVP in the last season?
What frustrates me is that hypothetically, if we had Guardiola with this same set of players, we would win the league. Not every year of course.
If he wasn't at City we would probably not be that far off challenging for it every season even with Ole.
Pep would have gotten a stroke if was in charge of this team, potentially getting even balder in the process.
Speaking of strokes...
What the hell are you on about? Why are we suddenly talking about Ronaldo and Portugal?
I do not need to answer any question you ask. You are known here as someone who get personal with anyone who is not an Ole fan. Calling the manager "manager of semi amateur players" is objective becuase he is that based on his managerial career until he proves everybody else he is not that. You got offended by "mediocre fan" yet you were babbling and acusing me being a WUM since yesterday.
Posters like you will eventually get the ban because you cant live without making the discussions personal instead of accepting the manager's criticism. This the end of discussion with you. Bye.
Just been reading what Ole said on BBC Sport. I quote! We won't let City run away with it, United won't give up. Our recent results tells me he's talking utter bullshit again. He totally baffles me in interviews.
I quote! We won't let City run away with it, United won't give up. Our recent results tells me he's talking utter bullshit again. He totally baffles me in interviews.Pep would have gotten a stroke if was in charge of this team, potentially getting even balder in the process.
Speaking of strokes...
What the hell are you on about? Why are we suddenly talking about Ronaldo and Portugal?
Well if he's so comfortably our best player I expect it to stand up everywhere he's at. So why is Joao Felix and Bernando Silva more important to the national team than him? He's so good but yet he's not even the best player in the Premier League. Is he top 5? I just want to know where we are at with this. We are currently second but we have a player who stands alone compared to the rest of the squad but Luke Shaw, who can't get a game for England?
Just doesn't add up.
If Pep managed us Bruno wouldn't start.
Just been reading what Ole said on BBC Sport.
He told us we was never in a title last week. He's just trying to save his job. I'm convinced Woodward doesn't have a clue what's going on, on the football picture. Ole seems to do interviews designed for his employers. We need more time but we are getting better I promise. We lost 4-0 last year.. this year we drawn 1-1.
Doubt he’ll have as much fun as you do when we lose
I disagree. Any top manager would be driven to distraction with this club. The chasm between the level of expectation vs what the owners actually provide is massive. Cancelo and Dias. Fullback and central defender signing #7&8. Anyone can strike gold when It’s just really expensive game of trial and error and players get a season or 2 max. Who would still be in the city squad from utd? They’d have binned Shaw Lingard Jones MaticTuanzebe DDG Mata Romero ages before now. Our manager has had to actually persevere and succeed and try and play decent football with these players to differing extents. It’s a way harder job here with these owners.
So you can see how easy it is for him to baffle/hoodwink us or whatever we decide to call it.
Very minor point in relation to the entirety of your post I know but I think Pep would love Shaw.
His technical ability, recovery speedy and one touch link-up play would be ideal in City’s system.
I don't think you can call Ole lucky when you look at the teams faced in the LVG and Mourinho cup wins compared to what he has faced.
There's nothing to say Ancelotti would be 'a far better alternative'. In fact I'm sure there will be equivalent Everton fans demanding him sacked today.
That's how I'm reading it as well.
Thing is, even though he's been our permanent manager for almost two years now, I always feel like he's a little in survival mode.
Just been reading what Ole said on BBC Sport.
Last week he said we're some way away from being in title race, and people here had an issue with that. Loser mentality" is what you guys called him.
Now he says, we won't let City run away with the title, you guys still have an issue with that. Just decide on what he is supposed to say!
Do you mean Southampton or Leipzig players
Eh?
You made it personal by stating I am against all posters who are Ole Out and then I ask you to provide evidence of this and your response is that I don't need to answer the question. You made a direct accusation yet when asked to back it up, you cannot. I don't think I am 'known' for anything and no one has to accept anything include constant personal attacks against the manager and WUM posts by you.The fact that we are here talking about us challenging for the title speaks volumes of what he’s done so far. Someone wrote that Ole is trying to save his job. We’re second behind a team that on paper is much better than us. What is he trying to save exactly?
we’re doing well overall. Work in progress still. Need a transfer window with proper signings to complete this team. How many times has he been forced to play marcus on the right? He wanted a RW and didnt get one (he got a couple of young wingers with potential, but that’s it for now, potential).
he’s man managed players very well also. Restored Luke’s confidence level, took it easy in mason when he needed time earlier this year. These are just 2 examples.
we’re doing well overall. Work in progress still. Need a transfer window with proper signings to complete this team. How many times has he been forced to play marcus on the right? He wanted a RW and didnt get one (he got a couple of young wingers with potential, but that’s it for now, potential).
he’s man managed players very well also. Restored Luke’s confidence level, took it easy in mason when he needed time earlier this year. These are just 2 examples.
He doesn't have to play Rashford on the right, he has Greenwood who is now playing well, for that he got dropped.
you’re right. Hope to see more of greenwood and less of martial on the pitch anyway!
Dropping Greenwood for Martial was odd. Greenwood is starting to show last seasons form, Rashford is far better on the left. Martial looks like he hates football at the moment, if he does something and gets it wrong he gets racial abuse, if he does nothing he gets racial abuse. Ole is not doing him any favours.
Shaw is my POTS but I reckon city would have binned him before now or he’d maybe still be there to keep up the English quota but you know they’d have signed another 2 players after his leg break. It’s almost foolproof at City. Manage the egos and give the owners a list.
What 2nd?
We wouldn't. The squad we have doesn't suit the way he wants to play.
Nope.
The fact that when Solskjaer inevitably goes - be it in two months’ or two years’ time - he will struggle to get an offer from another Premier League club. Remove his club legend status here and you have a manager that would be lucky to be in the league.
Do you not find that odd?
Southampton. But it works for both.
Well we can try and be a big club and aim to win things.
You guys?? I just quoted what he said in BBC Sports news. Didn't read or hear about the one last week. However, Ive always been a Ole out fan before he even got in based on no experience. Loved him as a player and still do. I'm just of the opinion he can't take us to the next level.
Of course, and that's kind of my point. In the absence of ability (or willingness) to blow every opponent out of the water in terms of spending then the manager has to be an important part of the team's ability to win games. Does that sound like Ole to you? The team's play style changes with the personnel and his in-game management leaves a lot to be desired. Individual brilliance and bailouts from individual brilliance have very little to do with what the manager does every week in training. It only has to do with the manager's ability to spot a player and the club's ability to attract that player. And like I said, any team would improve with better players under any manager, so is it a fair assessment of the manager's quality to effectively judge his ability by the size and spending power of the club he manages? Of course not. There are so many things to management that isn't to do with player quality but how to make the most of what you've got.
With regards to improving players, we have (or at least had) the youngest squad in the league. So we have a bunch of players progressing their careers towards their prime and out of our 15 most featured players we have two or three that have improved significantly, while the others are the same or worse. Is that the direction a young squad should be going in? In terms of their actual abilities and those abilities translating onto the pitch, the only players who I think are significantly better in a way that's influencing our results are Luke Shaw and Scott McTominay. Is that an unreasonable assessment? I mean, obviously we can disagree on one or two names here and there but in general that's pretty poor
for a young squad that's supposed to be developing.
I don't think Henderson's the guy either, if I'm completely honest. Just a gut feeling. But Ole needs to make a decision here, because the problem is that we know that de Gea isn't the answer for the coming three years if Ole intends to keep playing a high line and not bother with organising our defensive set pieces in a way that masks de Gea's deficiencies. So what I would do is I would play Henderson, tell him "sink or swim" and if he isn't up to the task I'd add a goalkeeper to the shopping list. The likely scenario, however, is that Ole's going to stay with the safe option, we'll never know if Henderson's good enough, he'll leave for a team where he'll get playing time and then de Gea won't have any competition for the no 1 spot and we'll be here in three years wondering why we're still persisting with de Gea despite him not leaving his line or winning any aerial balls and being targeted on set pieces.
The other scenario is that it turns out that Henderson is stepping up to the plate and allowing us to play an effective high line and his aerial play masks our weakness at set pieces, and we'll be a much better team for it. We know that we won't be able to play Ole's desired brand of football with de Gea, the evidence is already there, but at least we don't know that with Henderson yet and he might rise to the challenge.
I know you specifically aren't asking for £200m net spend per year, but there's a reason I'm mentioning that number. Ole has, if rumours are to be believed, pretty much only gone for the most expensive targets for every position he's targeted, regardless of the player's suitability for his intended style of play. Dan James being the exception obviously. Need a centre back? £80m Maguire. Need a right back? £50m AWB. Need a right winger? £120m Sancho. Need a central attacking midfielder? £60m Bruno Fernandes. We had previously targeted Grealish who was rumoured to cost £80m before settling on van de Beek once it became apparent that Grealish had signed a new contract and wasn't moving.
So if we're to sign a CDM, a CB and a ST/RW, what is there to suggest that the cost of those players will be anything lower than £150m? We're rumoured to be interested in Haaland and Sancho for the ST/RW position. One of those would cost a minimum of £80m since Haaland's £65m clause doesn't kick in until next summer. The CB is rumoured to be Konaté or Koundé (£45-60m), and the CDM is rumoured to be Zakaria who's rumoured to cost £50m. That takes us to an estimated cost of £175-190m. The only way we're reducing that net spend is by selling Pogba for like £50m this summer, but then we'll have to replace him. Who would we be likely to go for? Probably Grealish. Or not replace him at all and hope that van de Beek steps up...
So what chance is there of Ole finding three bargains that'll come in and plug holes at ST/RW, CDM and CB at less than a combined £100m? He has to go for the most expensive, ready-made, options because he doesn't have a system that he can easily integrate a player into and make him look worth much more than the fee he's been bought for, so any player coming in has to have undeniable individual quality, and those players are expensive. That means that we're unlikely to plug three holes per summer transfer window with the willingness of our board to spend money on improving the squad.
I just hope that when he inevitably gets booted he takes the entire coaching staff with him. They are just as much of a problem as Solskjaer.
Pep can’t even say that either, for the record.
I don't think he will be a good appointment. People say he plays good brand of football well whenever I see them play especially big teams, he adopts a defensive mentality. Even the 3-1 win against Liverpool they just sat back for 75 minutes and then Pool just capitulated. Not saying he is a bad manager but I don't think he is someone who is fit to manage a club who wants to win major trophies. Is he the man to topple Pep or Klopp? I don't think.
So doesn't that show Ole is getting the maximum out of Bruno?
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