Yeah, and how did manchester united get on yesterday? The fact I am making is that there are better alternatives to ole. I picked one at a lower club than ourselves to show how moronic it is that we hired a guy that has proved nothing in his managerial career.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Other teams invest hundreds of millions as well, which makes it slightly more difficult to do better year on year. But we're (in my opinion) doing better than last year, while some other teams (the almighty Liverpool for example), are doing worse than last year. Some of our players have regressed a bit, others have been just as good, and others have improved (some quite substantially even). I care whether the manager maximises the output of his players, and have never said otherwise. I just said "individual brilliance" and "bailing out" are positive aspects, not negatives. Maximizing the potential for individual brilliance and bailouts are (some of the) managerial traits I appreciate.
I fully agree we need and upgrade in goal, and at CB. I think most people agree. I also agree that falling behind as often as we do is the opposite of what we should be doing. But then again, I don't really trust Henderson, and we don't really have any good alternatives at CB as of now. Hopefully this will be taken care of in the summer. If we play deeper (reducing those 50 yards you mention), that'd affect our ability to break down blocking teams, and would make us less capable of dominating midfield, and the game in general. I think it's the right approach to push higher up the field, but we need to be better at it (which I think we will be), and De Gea needs to step it up or step down.
I'm not asking for £200m net spend per year, am I? But I for sure hope whoever we buy has the ability to bail us out and score goals due to individual brilliance on a regular basis, or improve our defensive deficiencies due to individual traits (be it speed, physicality, skill, or all of the above). Liverpool lost their best individual player, capable of bailing out the manager time and time again. The same manager has kept playing the same style without him, and it has backfired. Big time. They're getting punished heavily for not having full backs capable of defending, now that Van Dijk is out. Individual brilliance is essential for creating a consistent winning environment, and LFC this season is a prime example of just that. This goes for Klopp. Pep, Ole, Ancelotti, or literally any other manager in football.
I understand not rating Ole but the abuse and trolling he gets is unacceptable. He has been twice the manager Moyes has been for us and I will even go and say he has left a much better squad for the next manager to take over.
Pathetic that people still use "The guy from Molde".
There's a big difference from needing individual brilliance to win every game and needing it to win some games.
A good manager is one that does the latter, guess which one Ole falls under?
Hiring Rodgers over Ole would improve us easily and he's not even that hard to pry away from Leicester. Stop making it out like Ole's a hard one to replace, he's no Fergie.
In fairness to moyes he wasn't backed properly, he signed his death warrant with the signing of fellaini, but that is on woodward not having a clue to get players in.
Our goalkeeper and 50% of our CB pairing is still the same. And our holding midfielders are not good at the "holding" part. They are decent at intercepting the ball, but they can be sloppy with their passing at times. That's not the main problem though. We are too sloppy in the box when defending crosses and set pieces, and that is mainly down to our CBs and GK.
Our fullbacks have improved. Shaw is excellent now and AWB is definitely better than Young/Valencia.
Agree with all of that. He’s a safer bet than the others mentioned. Rose still my favourite but these guys have never managed a big club and it’s not like we are the smaller sided Big clubs. We are as big as it gets.
I think if that was the case then there would be murmurs in the press like back in Nov but absolutely nothing
There is no certainty Poch or Tuchel would have done better than Ole though. We are still 2nd on the table and is likely to stay this way at least for a little while. I am keeping faith in a United legend who is not just here to keep his job for own selfish reasons. He's a true United fan who wants us to thrive. I am confident that the day he realises someone else is better at the job than him, he will call it a day. We really must not be too quick to judge.
You're not proving that Ancelotti is a better alternative. He's just a big name, like LVG and Mourinho were.
I think it's very unfair (and simply not true) to say that Solskjær needs individual brilliance to win every game. He needs it to win some games. For sure. As any manager does.
But the exaggeration of his need for individual brilliance to win every game (which is what you're saying), is a straight up lie.
And the lack of proper coaching.
So you still think we've a better defense just because we've better fullbacks despite us conceding more while playing more defensively because we're set up to counter?
Rodgers is certainly a better manager/coach than Ole. His work at Swansea, Liverpool and Leicester shows that. I don't think I'd consider him the because I don't see the potential improvement in him. Can he turn a good team into a winning team? He's had the chance with Liverpool but couldn't do it. Maybe I'm being harsh, I don't know. Plus the reasons @Anusmentioned.
I think these are the worst words I've ever heard from a football fan.
Just shockingly awful with every passing sentence.
Utter garbage. You are football numb. You don't understand the sport whatsoever.
I asked who you’d sack Ole for today, you said moyes or any championship manager, that’s not putting words in your mouth. You actually said it
But the truth is that he relies on it even to get a draw against WBA.
He's just not that good despite how much everyone wants him to be the next Sir Alex/Klopp.
Just as he didn't rely on it to win lord knows how many other games against better teams than WBA.
The last sentence is just a WUM. I want him to be Ole Gunnar Solskjær.
In terms of coaching I would be confident in saying they would. We are already seeing that at Chelsea. I get what you're saying about him wanting the best for us, but wanting and implementing the change are two different things. If you took his time at United as a player out of the equation, Ole as our coach suddenly doesn't look that great. Deep down anybody will accept this. There would definitely be more voices questioning things. And being an ex player means nothing in reality or else Steve Bruce would be in charge.
Ok you want an answer well here it is we should be looking to appoint someone like Hasenhuttl or Nagelsmann, unfortunately because we have an absolute toy story puppet in charge of football matters he wouldn't be willing to pay their compensation fees to release them. They both clearly have the personality to manage this team and play a brand of football that will win us more games than we lose, yes Ole beat both of them but lets be honest both of those scorelines were extremely flattering to say the least.
Please dont put the two in the same sentence.
Goals conceded is not the only metric worth examining. We are better at transitioning from defence to attack and we are harder to break down in midfield. In terms of not conceding unnecessary goals we're still bad, but I think we were a little worse last season.
That being said, I don't disagree that the defence needs improvement. I just think switching Lindelof with a top CB would make a very big difference. Maguire could also improve obviously, but I don't think changing both CB's in the same window is wise. If one must go, then it's Lindelof.
Apart from his first 11 games, most of his wins have come from individual brilliance from Rashford and Bruno or penalties.
Our football has been generally shit if people actually have standards.
As much as we all like to loathe the mourinho and LVG tenures here, they did win trophies at united. Ole has been here longer than LVG and hasn't even come close to winning a cup. And it always boggles my mind that people rate ole higher than them. Did they deserve to be sacked, yes, but just because ole has the team play some good football at times, doesn't mean he should continue in his role when there are better mangers out there that could help us to challenge.
Let me be clear, I don't want ancelotti as manager here (I think he is past his best) but he would be a far better alternative to ole. Ole has always come across as a lucky manager, but one thing he is consistent with is inconsistency and that won't have us anywhere near where we want to be.
Chelsea got rid of frank (who had a far better season than us last year considering the circumstances he had when he arrived there with a transfer ban) and brought in a manger that could have done a job with us
We had individual brilliance to get us level, what was worrying was that should have driven us on to win and it didn't.
Hasenhuttl cried when he beat Liverpool, I’d love to see him do that here, I’d also like to see how the fans receive losing 9-0 twice in two years. He’s far from a sure success here.
whether we’d take the gamble at this point is the question, for hassenhuttl, absolutely no chance imo it would utterly bizarre.
Nagglesmann I wouldn’t say no to once Ole has had his chance.
That's down to us playing Fred and Scott almost every single game! The both of them are doing the work of 1 and it's a bloody waste to play then even against relegation candidates.
And yes, Lindelof needs to be replaced urgently and ideally one who'll actually take command of the backline because Maguire and De Gea aren't doing it.
That's why we need better coaching so we can actually have a game plan beyond hope Rashford/Bruno scores and we don't concede.
... or better players to complement Bruno? Fergie consistently had 3-4 players of Brunos quality in his team, spread out over all areas on the pitch. At some points we had 6 players of that quality.
Bar outliers, you don't get major trophies without having a great team. Especially not consistently.
I don't want him, but crap? Come on.
ah, the almighty «standards». Top red.
How many of Leicester players are at Bruno's quality? Because that's a team that's basically matching us in terms of points in the league last season and this season despite having supposedly inferior players.
I understand the lack of quality to win titles, but we really shouldn't be complaining about the lack of quality to beat teams who're relegation favourites.
I give up, have fun up Ole's ass while watching us shit the bed
How many of there players get into our squad?
Pogba
Rashford
Cavani
Martial
VDB
Shaw.
That’s 6 players at Bruno’s level. Some could include DeGea(not me)
This.
Can you please enlighten me and other posters about my agenda. What is it beside me wanting the club that I love to be the most successful? If you are a mediocre fan fine, but dont come here asking others to be like you.
Good post.
What are you whining about then? We are in 2nd place with a gap down to 4th place. We're right about where we belong with this squad.
My focus is always winning PL and CL titles. And when it comes to solving problems, I like to work with the core first. The core is always the players. I don't want to be a top 4 team that occasionally over-performs magically to win a title, only go forever until the next one. To have consistent greatness, you need to consistently make sure that your team is in top shape, both in terms of talent and attitude. The talent part is down to the board/scouting. The attitude part is the manager's job.
Until we have a team worthy of winning the PL we can't really complain about top 4 mediocrity.
Have the feeling these Ole fanboys don‘t watch any football apart from the dross they get served every week
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