That 15/16 season really was a fecking painful watch.
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That 15/16 season really was a fecking painful watch.
I find it even worse that there's some who still defend him for "having a system", even to this day. He set us back years.
Or 'laying the foundations'
Worst thing was I actually thought we were getting some amazing players at the time, was really excited by Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Shaw, Depay, Darmian, Martial, Falcao etc
I know Shaw is still here and we got some mileage out of Herrera, but god damn how did we not make something of the team we had at the time, on top of Moyes' time here we also had Van Persie, Rooney, Carrick, Kagawa, Zaha etc
Aye, it did appear as though it was going to be a good era for us tbf. I mean, I knew nothing about LvG really, but all the reports seemed to suggest he would do great things with us. His first season had it's moments, but his second season was horrific, despite the FA Cup win.
When possession and 0% risk trumps goals it usually is.
Oh we won the possession that season alright!
I remember the shame I felt for not enjoying the "Most completed passes in the center of the field"-trophy 15/16 as much as I should have.
Possession football we all cried for, but jesus we got a cursed version of it!
Wanted tikitaka, got it's dull cuisin "ballcirculation"
I am no ITK.
But I do have friends at the top level of the game.
One friend of mine is a coach at Leicester City.
He has told me that Brendan Rogers thinks Ole Gunnar is a little genius. He says that even the best of the best managers, whether that be Klopp, Jose, Pep, Tuchel etc... hate playing against Manchester United because they can't plan to play against Manchester United. He claims Brendan says that there is just no second guessing and pre-planning what Solskjaer is going to do match-to-match. And that the true genius of managers like Pep and Jose is that they to plan pragmatically ahead of a game;. second-guessing the opposition manager and snuffing out every threat. But they just can't plan that way against United.. because they don't know who they'll be facing... they don't know whether to plan their right-full for 90-minutes against Rashford, or will it be Martial,, or maybe even an inverted diamond in midfield? Let's not forget that Ole has beaten ALL of the 'great' managers he has come up against, be it Pep, Klopp, Jose, Ancelotti, Tuchel etc...
Ole has the respect of the best managers in the game.
The only folk who don't respect Ole as a modern-day great manager are idiots who sit on their sofas at home watching the odd game on SKY and who comment their opinions on Twitter. and football forums as if it actually matters in the real world...
But I do have friends at the top level of the game.
One friend of mine is a coach at Leicester City.
He has told me that Brendan Rogers thinks Ole Gunnar is a little genius. He says that even the best of the best managers, whether that be Klopp, Jose, Pep, Tuchel etc... hate playing against Manchester United because they can't plan to play against Manchester United. He claims Brendan says that there is just no second guessing and pre-planning what Solskjaer is going to do match-to-match. And that the true genius of managers like Pep and Jose is that they to plan pragmatically ahead of a game;. second-guessing the opposition manager and snuffing out every threat. But they just can't plan that way against United.. because they don't know who they'll be facing... they don't know whether to plan their right-full for 90-minutes against Rashford, or will it be Martial,, or maybe even an inverted diamond in midfield? Let's not forget that Ole has beaten ALL of the 'great' managers he has come up against, be it Pep, Klopp, Jose, Ancelotti, Tuchel etc...
Ole has the respect of the best managers in the game.
The only folk who don't respect Ole as a modern-day great manager are idiots who sit on their sofas at home watching the odd game on SKY and who comment their opinions on Twitter. and football forums as if it actually matters in the real world...
It's been mentioned a few times, but having a manager who adapts his game based on the opposition is weirdly viewed with disdain in the media. It's all about "the system", "the philosophy", and "the style of play" now. It's a very snobbish view which has gained popularity in the last 10 years, it's been contrived as being negative or defensive by high brow football aficionados.
Am I the only one who read the bit in bold in Brendan's voice?
This makes sense, Pep has complimented Ole more than once in his post game interviews even after losses last season, which is a rare thing for him.
Agree, you are not doing your job as a manager if you don't set your team up in the way that you think will beat the opposition. It is the same for all of us in our jobs, you are paid to perform the best you can, with that resources at your disposal while considering the competition.
Look at Arsene Wenger, if you want to see someone who is rigid about 'philosophy', the media loved his 'philosophy', but compare his league record against SAF who would set his team up every match how he thought it would give them the best chance of winning that match. A lot of the time, we were better than the opposition and so he would set them up to play the attacking style that we love, which instilled fear into the opposition and helped goal difference etc. but when we were up against a really good team he wasn't afraid to 'park the bus' if he thought that would give his team out there the best chance of winning that particular game. He played Phil Neville in midfield to man mark against Arsenal when they were good.
Ole spent a lot of his playing career watching and studying games from the bench (leaning from SAF) , spotting weakness in the opposition so that when he came off the bench he knew exactly how to exploit the weaknesses and score and it is no coincidence that he did it so often.
We are still work in progress, developing team which means we are not always consistent but confidence is growing, consistency is improving and you can see a team that will be challenging for the next few years really starting to develop. Having experienced the 70s, 80s and then the ups and downs of SAF first few seasons, I have said all along that we need to give Ole time and after a decade of mediocracy, I think that we are going to be a real force again in the 2020s (and this is despite the Glazers)
I think managers like Pep and Klopp, who put out the same team and played the same style regardless of opposition (seemingly, and with much success) just convinced people that this was the correct way to do it.
By adapting to the opposition, you're acting like an underdog, and these people see that as you not having faith in your system/philosophy, or admitting to not having one. That's why Biesla is hailed for getting thumped, "because he's committed to his philosophy" while Ole gets crticised for a draw, or even a win, away to another top 6 side.
We should cancel our loss to SU because we lost to their B team and it shouldn't count.
I’d agree with all that. It’s football purism at its worst. But it’s understandable with how high brow the sport has become.
The bewildering thing is how managers who put out the same thing every match are considered to be tactically superior to those who adapt and change to the opposition. In Ole’s case, “no tactics” was the common criticism.
At the top of the game, having a philosophy is great as long as your team is better than everyone else in the first place, and can easily roll over any counter tactics. If not, you’re Bielsa.
The thing with Ole is that he was a player that used to sit on the bench and clearly spot a weakness he could work on to score a goal. That's why he was a deadly striker that was able to make an impact quickly.
I feel this is why he changes it up - to the benefit of our team and to the detriment of the opposition. It doesnt always work like that though and it can be wrong and hard to control 11 players. This maybe why he takes ages long to make a sub - there is a plan that 11 players are trying to implement to make the opposition fall rather than playing to our one and only single strength and a sub needs to be made because they are not having a good day doing that.
I feel this is why he changes it up - to the benefit of our team and to the detriment of the opposition. It doesnt always work like that though and it can be wrong and hard to control 11 players. This maybe why he takes ages long to make a sub - there is a plan that 11 players are trying to implement to make the opposition fall rather than playing to our one and only single strength and a sub needs to be made because they are not having a good day doing that.
My humour is wrong also? Can I do anything right?
Drop the innocent act. He was a horrid wum who was wildly disliked and caused nothing but consternation and arguments. He was far and away the worst poster out of the two 'sides'. Anyhow mate, I have nothing further to add to this. You supporting someone like him shows we're miles apart and says it all.
Now you are being to sensitive. He was funny! What got to you? His thread on tactical masterclass? It was, and many more have been.
And that was the stand out in my post? Now you are also being selective. Loosing cred here mate..
You lost literally all credibility when you said you support someone like him. The proper Ole supporters distanced themselves from him and called out his bullshit. Pm me if you want to continue this. The whole forum has zero interest in this conversation which has been going on for days. If you fancy chatting about Ole then feel free to quote me. Until then, peace out. Your mask is slipping and the condescending you is coming on. Bravo.
Support? I don’t support posters. I said he was funny. I also think foxbat is funny, but that’s just me. My mask? I don’t use one. Thanks for the invite! Might take you up on it, and show you something you don’t know
Support? I don’t support posters. I said he was funny. I also think foxbat is funny, but that’s just me. My mask? I don’t use one. Thanks for the invite! Might take you up on it, and show you something you don’t know
Yeah we would have won 15 nil if we had a good manager eh?
The stress of being a United manager:
Ole (2018)
Ole (2021)
25months later.
Ole (2018)
Ole (2021)
25months later.
The stress of being a United manager:
Ole (2018)
Ole (2021)
25months later.
He looks 25 month older!!
He looks older, but he has a natural baby face so he looks so young in the first pic and now he is starting to look his age. Still it’s not due to the job it’s just natural aging. Mourinho s is funny though looks fresh then a season and a half later looks homeless.He looks 25 month older!!
He looks like he’s put on a stone. He’s obviously in a comfortable relationship with the club.
I’ve heardHonestly, once you hit 44-45 it's all downhill.
. But some people think since you have a baby face it will last forever. My dad looked 30-35 when he was in his late 40’s, 2 years later he looked close to his age.Reason being most of the successful teams of the past decade have had a style of play. It has proven to be more reliable to coach and perfect one style of play rather than change according to opposition.
If Ole leads us to success then he would have taken a different path.
Was going to reply to that poster but you said most of what I was going to say. I’m not saying anything negative about Ole we have done well this year under him but I don’t think we have a style. It’s a different one game to game. Not saying that’s bad just different.
But Ole's just a nice guy who only does good vibes.
https://punditarena.com/football/darraghmurphy/bruno-fernandes-on-fights-with-ole-gunnar-solskjaer/
https://punditarena.com/football/darraghmurphy/bruno-fernandes-on-fights-with-ole-gunnar-solskjaer/
Literally the manager who won the most trophies over the past 30-years did what Solskjaer does now.
Every recent successful manager, such as Pep, Jose, LvG, Klopp.. they all had short-term success over a period of 3 years with any one club... then moved on or were moved on. None of thos emanagers has ever had success over the long term by evolving a team.
Solskjaer - and Manchester United as a whole - are going for a more long-term approach, ala Ferguson. We are evolving the squad for a long-haul at this. We're not trying to win a title with one team in a quick fix like all those managers do.....we are building for dominancy again...
This is why he doesn't like to make changes. His biggest mistake today was bending over to the caf and making that unnecessary late sub
That change was needless, otherwise, he did his job today but still a lot of work to be done on that leaky defense.
Happens.
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