We concede a lot of set pieces if you haven't notice by now.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Come on.
Its the fecking League Cup. The last 10 league games we've been 8-1-1 in the league. Thought that would give him a bit more rope, but nope. We're back to square one it seems
We've played Chelsea, Arsenal, City(2) and Spurs at home and not won a single game and we've been really poor in every game.
I don't understand how we've gone from being great against the big teams to being so bad. Thats a worrying sign for the Liverpool game.
Deep down, I think we all know we're going to find it difficult to win anything. The chokers label is applied.
Also, I still don't see a defined style of football. For 50 minutes or so, our only plan was to lob the ball to Rashford or Martial.
Burnley is massive. We need a win and hopefully its a massive confidence booster.
I don't understand how we've gone from being great against the big teams to being so bad. Thats a worrying sign for the Liverpool game.
Deep down, I think we all know we're going to find it difficult to win anything. The chokers label is applied.
Also, I still don't see a defined style of football. For 50 minutes or so, our only plan was to lob the ball to Rashford or Martial.
Burnley is massive. We need a win and hopefully its a massive confidence booster.
We've only conceded 1 more than Liverpool and 2 more than Chelsea or Tottenham. I get that it's a weakness, but it shouldn't direct the narrative of the game because individuals also didn't turn up like Bruno, Martial, Rashford and even Pogba. The 2nd goal was just a very good goal by Fernandinho and I wholly accept the first one to be inexcusable.
For me we have a deeper issue with Harry Maguire because he can't defend zonally for shit, I always see him feck around and leave danger areas, like Southampton near post or an instance like yesterday.
We keep making individual mistakes. AWB is a very big concern for me at the moment, defensively he is poor this season, yes he can slide but his all round game is worse than a relegation standard RB at the moment.
Fred, McTominay, Pogba, Rashford, Bruno, Martial all had shockers on the ball, could not string 5 passes together.
Every time Martial got the ball he thought he can take the defence on himself instead of an easy pass.
We need more technical players who can operate in tight spaces... VDB. This was nothing to do with system or tactics, it was all down to poor execution from the players.
Maguire and Lindelof who I am told are great on the ball, hold the ball for so long, they invite pressure then pass back to Henderson who has to go long when there is easy simple passes available and they chose not to use it.
Fred, McTominay, Pogba, Rashford, Bruno, Martial all had shockers on the ball, could not string 5 passes together.
Every time Martial got the ball he thought he can take the defence on himself instead of an easy pass.
We need more technical players who can operate in tight spaces... VDB. This was nothing to do with system or tactics, it was all down to poor execution from the players.
Maguire and Lindelof who I am told are great on the ball, hold the ball for so long, they invite pressure then pass back to Henderson who has to go long when there is easy simple passes available and they chose not to use it.
He's improved no one. I've seen all those players player the same/better football under a different manager.
Haha yes. Improved Wan-Bissaka and Lindelof?! AWB has regressed since joining...
And Lindelof has not improved, Shaw has not improved, Mctomminay has not improved, Fred has not improved - why are you talking only about 2 players?
Bailly has improved recently, some people have even said the new LCM version of Pogba that has never been seen at United under other managers much and is starting to be seen at United is worth being given a new contract
haha, the increase of form of Rashford last year and Martiak last year (since Ole is not just the manager of this year and if some players like Martial isnt good enough for a title challenge then that's really to on ole).So if one moment our fans are saying Wan Bissaka is such a poor signing - he should never have been signed and the next he is saying he has regressed- then it's really not much a problem is it?
That's more the issue of Wan Bissaka than Ole because he didnt have the class according to the United fans in the first place.
Agenda drives narrativeAnd Lindelof has not improved, Shaw has not improved, Mctomminay has not improved, Fred has not improved - why are you talking only about 2 players?
Bailly has improved recently, some people have even said the new LCM version of Pogba that has never been seen at United under other managers much and is starting to be seen at United is worth being given a new contract
So if one moment our fans are saying Wan Bissaka is such a poor signing - he should never have been signed and the next he is saying he has regressed- then it's really not much a problem is it?
That's more the issue of Wan Bissaka than Ole because he didnt have the class according to the United fans in the first place.
It goes from Ed / glazers our for not building a good squad to, these players are good and deserve better with a better coach.
Included is the previous players got our managers fired to they are regressing under Ole.
It's expected I guess, there's hardly ever balance and everything is OTT to try and make a point either way (and often game to game)
I like your post btw
I'm a big fan of Ole, but he got the starting 11 wrong yesterday.
Firstly, why drop Bailly? Bailly is excellent at beating the press, has great pace, and can also carry the ball 20-30 yards quickly. All great weapons to have against the likes of City.
Secondly, why play Bruno and Rashford? We knew the game would be tight, and a close contest. It would have made much more sense to bring them on from the bench in every scenario, whether it's a draw, we're losing by a goal, or up by a goal. Both of them look so shattered, and jaded that even 45-60mins rest on match day can do a world of wonders, and look how well they did in the home leg vs Leipzig, coming off from the bench.
Maguire also looks like he needs a rest or just a game or two out (hoping that happens for the game vs Watford).
I also think we have a massive problem defending set pieces or set piece plays. I don't know what the last goal we conceded from open play was. It's something the coaches and Ole really need to look at. We look so vulnerable from pretty much every corner play, or free kick that comes in the box.
Firstly, why drop Bailly? Bailly is excellent at beating the press, has great pace, and can also carry the ball 20-30 yards quickly. All great weapons to have against the likes of City.
Secondly, why play Bruno and Rashford? We knew the game would be tight, and a close contest. It would have made much more sense to bring them on from the bench in every scenario, whether it's a draw, we're losing by a goal, or up by a goal. Both of them look so shattered, and jaded that even 45-60mins rest on match day can do a world of wonders, and look how well they did in the home leg vs Leipzig, coming off from the bench.
Maguire also looks like he needs a rest or just a game or two out (hoping that happens for the game vs Watford).
I also think we have a massive problem defending set pieces or set piece plays. I don't know what the last goal we conceded from open play was. It's something the coaches and Ole really need to look at. We look so vulnerable from pretty much every corner play, or free kick that comes in the box.
And Lindelof has not improved, Shaw has not improved, Mctomminay has not improved, Fred has not improved - why are you talking only about 2 players?
Bailly has improved recently, some people have even said the new LCM version of Pogba that has never been seen at United under other managers much and is starting to be seen at United is worth being given a new contract
So if one moment our fans are saying Wan Bissaka is such a poor signing - he should never have been signed and the next he is saying he has regressed- then it's really not much a problem is it?
That's more the issue of Wan Bissaka than Ole because he didnt have the class according to the United fans in the first place.
McTominay was a young player, only natural that he has improved (although I can give Ole credit for that), I don't think Lindelof has improved really, yeah he has adapted more to the English game but he hasn't really improved as a player in general. Fred has though. Bailly? Based on what? I think he is exactly the same as when he came. AWB, as I said, has regressed. I agree that he has improved both Martial and Rashford but again, when talking about Rashford, you could argue that this would happen with pretty much any manager. I think Rashford under Guardiola would have been even better. Shaw isn't better than he was five years ago.
Like Iheanacho?
Nope, like Sterling. Guardiola has developed Sterling into a much smarter player.
He missed tactically yesterday and his inability to make adjustments is becoming a worrying pattern in cup games. At half time he should have taken out McTominay, moved Pogba into midfield, Rashford on the left and Greenwood on the right. Rashford wasn't comfortable enough on the right, Greenwood started giving Zinchenko problems as soon as he came on. Bruno looks jaded and I think Donny deserved to start that game.
So which aspects do you think Rashford would be better in (at United rather than city as we play different systems completely and sterling benefits hugely from it) with pep coaching him?
Curious because you did say Rashford would be even better (especially as they are two completely different players too)
Decision making in the final third especially. Also runs in behind, where to run, when to shoot, when to pass, how to pass! Small details that could make Rashford one of the top players in the world IMO.
could anyone ask him about the DVB sub at 89 min? What was that about?
I think we can ask that question about every sub he makes (or doesn't). His subs are fecking atrocious.
Pep is a world class manager, his best attribute is teaching his players to take right decisions? Decision making of Rashford can hugely improve with Pep, while with Ole! you know !
Sure he makes stupid subs, but that particular one losing 2-0 and bringing DVB for 4 minutes, what did he expect of him?
Interesting, as he's been criticised a lot for this and his one on one finishing.
Sterling movement has been great especially in terms of moving for cut backs to get those goals
I'm not sure what you mean by how to pass.
Also Rashford run in behind has been good and better under Ole, the issue is getting the ball to him into the space which doesn't happen often enough or early enough
Added quality would help United and Rashford on that
Yes but there's a point where it's on the player too. If it was that easy pep wouldn't need to buy as many players as he does. He has more of the luxury of 'if it fails then replace'
Theres a reason I mentioned Iheanacho before
No idea. VDB was one of the most talked about talents and looked a great purchase but unless we actually play him, why on earth did Ole convince him to join and talk to him about seeing him as a 10?? He's joined and is immediately 3rd choice behind Bruno (who should have been rested yesterday) and Pogba (who wants to leave) something really doesn't add up.
Personally I'd like to see him along side Bruno with a single DM behind them, sadly Ole is too defensively minded to play that way it seems though. I also think he'd be much more useful than McT alongside Fred in these types of games because holding onto possession/breaking the press is so key against a club like City, we were knackered chasing them around & that wasn't even that good a City side compared to how good they were 2nd season under Pep.
FFS.
ha ha.
There isn't a person who knows their ball that would agree with you in any sense...
Fred has obviously improved, although how much that had to do with Ole and other coaches and how much was just him getting to grips with the English game is debateable. Lindelof had already improved a lot in his second season before Ole took over, but he has improved a bit further since then.
I see the gloss of us being joint on points with top has gone after 1 cup game loss.
Bailly has just come off the back of several games on the trott and after coming back off injury, don't want to play him into the ground, if he had played and then got injured you'd have criticised Ole for playing him too much.
Our set piece issue is similar to Klopp's Liverpool's issues pre-VVD. It looked like Maguire had set it right after the difficult start to last season but it seems that it has regressed once again.
It's such a shame, as we actually defended very well in open play, to the extent that Maguire was arguably our MOTM.
The same way you kept saying "stop wasting my time" to @Dante yet you continued to post 4-5 pages.So why were you still posting this then?
I didn’t give you permission to post that.
He's come back and looks great - there's been 5 days since the Villa game. That's adequate rest, and bear in mind we play Watford next and he'll most likely be rested then as well.
Lindelof, however, is coming back from injury - a relatively easier fixture for him makes sense, rather than putting him straight in the 11 against City.
Hope you got the context. So move on. And when I say move on, I will move on- not like someone who will continue to waste others time despite saying move on.
I think it definitely is a worrying trend for the big games.
I thought yesterday, whilst really disappointing, was in some ways a good dose of reality. We've definitely taken steps forwards but there's still a lot of work to be done to get us to where we want to be and for me too early to say we're genuine title contenders particularly when City/Liverpool haven't been at their best yet.
That's not to say that we can't make a title challenge but I think Ole and the players definitely need to be aware that we need to find more to our game.
I still don't know quite where I stand with Ole. I want him to be a success and can see that he's taking us in the right direction however I'm not convinced that he's currently getting more out of the team then the sum of its parts if that makes sense.
Clearly there's some things that he wanted to happen e.g. Sancho that haven't but I also think that there's some problems in the team that he has to respond to and should be aware off from last season.
We're still moving the ball too slowly and I think have a problem that teams have recognised in that between AWB, McT and less so but still applicable Fred we have 3 players who aren't great on the ball and in particular under pressure. That makes a big difference in these games as we can't retain possession as well or transition play.
In attack I still feel that beside the ball over the top for Rashford we lack a real approach or identity and feel like we rely on individual moments of brilliance. There's certainly a lack of movement off the ball.
Hopefully though yesterday was a proper reminder that we have to do more. As you say Burnley is a really important game and I think January is in general, in terms of how we try and capitalise on where we are and improve our game, as whilst we can certainly add to the squad to improve it (in long term rather than Jan), there's problems we have that we can try and solve with the options we have and if we can't then it will demonstrate how much more investment is needed and also maybe if Ole is the right long term solution.
He’s regressed in the last 3 years and isn’t the future.
Hope you got the context. So move on. And when I say move on, I will move on- not like someone who will continue to waste others time despite saying move on.
I also didn’t give you permission to post that.
Needs to stop with the favouritism as it relates to his beloved Victor & Harry partnership, how many more times this season have we got to witness this painful duo play together, losing players at set pieces and just generally being an absolute mess in important games. I cannot trust him one bit to make the right choice when it comes to picking the CB partnership for these two league games against Burnley & Liverpool and how some people can't see an issue with these selections is absolutely beyond me.
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His last 2 seasons were poor and I was slaughtering him too, but the current season he has been back to form.
Are you seriously putting Rashford and Iheanacho on the same level? Rashford is comparable to Sterling in City's lineup.
Needs to feel some pressure for his place if we are talking about Marcus
No I know Rashford is better. But when Pep came to City, everybody was putting Rashford and Iheanacho on the same level and talking about how Pep would take Iheanacho to the next level.
And it was a stupid comparison, but anyway, this forum also had a Herrera vs Kante thread as well, people here really adore these comparisons don't they?
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