I’d say no...
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I’d say no...
Too soon to be thinking about it now imo, as has always been the case the (again imo) the summer is the time to assess
I wrote "before" but I meant in April, that's 4 months away, 1 month before the season ends (unless another corona break). At that point we know if we are still challenging for the title or struggling to finish top 4.
As long as we don't start losing a lot we have to plan for the future, and the club will be focusing on the transfer window for Ole or getting in another manager asap at the start of the window. My money is on the extension.
As i said....
Can I just say, posting old quotations from yourself here to make yourself look in anyway smart or like you understand football is outrageous.
Previously you have said:
“ We have, without any question, the worst manager in PL. And i would even include championship in that.
Moyes is Alex Ferguson comparing to Solskjaer.” You have called Ole a “clown” and a “fraud” numerous times.
I mean look at this
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He killed any joy in watching games for me. Blessing in disguise threads were very popular during Mourinho era so here is one top red post from me.
We should have lost against Spurs and City. Maybe this fraud would have been sacked after that. Because now agony will go on and on.
We will lose nearly every away game but we will win at home against low table clubs and have some lucky away win then and there so he will keep his job. And he will convince Ed how he is preparing this team for next season. So it will be another season ruined by him.
Moyes, Jose and Lvg together didn't damaged this club like this so called manager is doing this season.”
You actually don’t deserve to enjoy this run of good fortune. You were spoiled and arrogant and thought you could just throw insults around until you got what you wanted. But instead of reflecting on the fact that you got everything so completely and utterly wrong you come in here acting like you are somehow a footballing genius.
I hope you learn from this.
Yeah, I saw that too. That was crazy. Fred had a good match until McTominay was subbed for losing the ball at every opportunity just to have Fred to do the same. Never seen that before, that was crazy.I did think it was quite funny that he, rightly, took off the underperforming McTominay only for Fred to suddenly start playing really poorlyhe's done really well to rotate his squad so much and still be picking up loads of points.
Funny. You completely used one thing from few hours before game for excuse for your need to patronise. You like doing that, aren't you?
And you are talking about old quotes? You??
Ah yeah, April will be a fair time to assess.The club should know by then whether they want him beyond one final season or not
Yeah, and he is doing it exactly at right time, when we are winning and on a great run. No point of kicking a man down except to cover yourself. He is the exact opposit of Mourinho.
No need to try to be cute and get opened up at the back. Right now what is most important is the three points. If it comes off the arse of Bailly so be it.
Mini mourinho. Winning and getting results even if it is not pretty. He has implemented good fortune and spirit into this team where we can win even if being outplayed.
This is something I have never rejected. He has. My problem was (and to be honest still is ) if he is the manager capable of taking us to the next level. I think that that's a different ask then pulling us out of the ditch we were in
What next level I ask you? Do you imagine one day we'll be "complete" and win all our games 3-0 with 80% possession and never concede any chance again? Ok we haven't won anything yet, but we can compete with pretty much every team on the planet. And that has not been a statement you could make since 2013. I mean can you ever be convinced that the manager is capable of winning the league until he does it? And even then it could all fall apart the next year like Ranieri. So the entire argument seems to boil down to this - "he hasn't won the league yet, therefore I'm not convinced he is good enough".
An additional note: I've noticed ever since Ole's appointment that there's been a completely unnecessary need to limit Ole's potential as a manger and ours as a team with him and annoyingly it seems to be coming most from our fans who're almost embarrassed with having this smiling Noggie at the helm rather than some bloke from one of the "big leagues" who use fancy terms like gegenpress so they can act cool in front of their football mates.
All seems very well at the moment. I’m apprehensive of Baldy Guardiola stealthing back up the table soon, as well as Jose’s Spues potentially making up some ground... feels like they’re in a blip at the moment with Kane and Son both being unusually quiet.
Scared shitless what would happen if Bruno got injured though. Hes pretty fecking important to our cause at the moment.
Scared shitless what would happen if Bruno got injured though. Hes pretty fecking important to our cause at the moment.
We have looked better since the PSG loss. Games have been scrappy, but there hasn’t been that overwhelming sense of dread that was present, for some time since the start of the season.
Cautiously optimistic and think it is sensible to let him carry on, as vocal a critic as i have been, but I’m not at the stage of screaming Ole from the rooftops yet...
Just got to hope this isn’t going to be a purple patch, followed by a run of iffy play & dodgy results.
Cautiously optimistic and think it is sensible to let him carry on, as vocal a critic as i have been, but I’m not at the stage of screaming Ole from the rooftops yet...
Just got to hope this isn’t going to be a purple patch, followed by a run of iffy play & dodgy results.
Ole is still a pretty average manager so you wonder how much better we could be with a top manager?
He can still win the league though if we build on our current form. Thus he deserves the chance to fight for it and the cups!
He can still win the league though if we build on our current form. Thus he deserves the chance to fight for it and the cups!
I remember listening to the boos on the radio when United lost at home to Palace in the 1989/90-season. That was probably the lowest I ever felt under Ferguson. Nigel Martyn made his debut - and we destroyed them for 40 minutes. We should have been 3 goals up - but Bright equalized just before the break and got the second to give them a win. That was the only time I ever thought to myself that Ferguson must go - this is it.
But let me do like in the movies and jump a few years back in time. And I will start during the 87/88 season.
The 87/88 season was a huge surprise - Bryan Robson had one of his best ever seasons at United and scored 11 goals and new signing McClair was the first United-player to score 20+ goals in the league since Best. Steve Bruce had been signed just before christmas to be partnered with Moran or McGrath in defence. And we ended 2nd - but most people realized it was the start of a rebuilding period:
Goalkeepers: we had Turner and Walsh - none of them were good enough
Fullbacks: Gibson wasn't good enough and ofte injured, Duxbury was approaching 30 and not good enough. Albiston was too old and Clayton Blackmore was too inexperienced. Anderson did really well in his first season, but he was a short-term solution
Centrebacks: Moran was getting too old, McGrath had a drinking and knee-problem, Billy Garton wasn't good enough. Which left us with just Steve Bruce.
Midfield: Robson had injury problems, Olsen wasn't too inconsistent. Strachan had turned 31. Moses was always injured and O'Brien wasn't good enough
Attack: McClair was brilliant, Davenport not good enough and Whiteside was drinking and had injury-problems.
It's worth noticing that of the entire team Ferguson took over - only Bryan Robson survived to be a United-player when we first had success and started winning trophies.
88/89 - it was really popular when Mark Hughes returned - and that did improve Fergusons standing with the United-fans. To solve the goalkeeping problem he signed Jim Leighton which seemed like a smart move at the time - he was only 29 and had been brilliant with Aberdeen. And if we had managed to sign Gazza - it could have been a different story. But he changed his mind and joined Spurs. And we also signed Ralph Milne from Charlton, a youngster from Torquay called Lee Sharpe and experienced Mal Donaghy from Luton - he was a very reliable player who never was injured, which Ferguson felt we needed.
Early in the season United had an injury-crisis which was insane - and this probably helped Ferguson in the long run - because he had to use a lot of youngsters - dubbed Fergies Fledglings. Lee Martin became a regular at left back, Lee Sharpe played a lot as a left wing, Gill, Graham, Maiorana and Wilson also played in this period. We were so light in midfield that we had to use McClair there for huge parts of the season - and once the injuries cleared we improved and were doing really well before christmas. But the spring was awful and we picked up 8 points from the last 11 matches and dropped from 3rd to 10th place. A lot of people were starting to doubt Ferguson at this stage - but the promising youngster Sharpe, Robins, Martin and the return of Hughes did offer some respite.
But to give an idea how unfit or poor the players he took over from Atkinson were - in the season of 88/89 we had 7 players who played more than 25 league matches. Only Bryan Robson and Blackmore were from the Atkinson-era. Whiteside played 6 matches, Olsen 10, Strachan 22, McGrath 20, Gibson 2 and Davenport 8 to name some. During the season Olsen, O'Brien, Davenport, Strachan and Davenport were all transferred out
The summer of 1989. We had sold the 2 drinking buddies Whiteside and McGrath - and replaced them with the best attacking midfielder in the league - Neil Webb (his goal pr game ratio at Forest was insane), and Norwich captain Mike Phelan. And we started the season by destroying Arsenal 4-1. And one sunday in early september I turned on the text to see that we had signed Gary Pallister from Boro and Paul Ince from West Ham - and a week or so later Danny Wallace joined from Southampton. The expectations were huge - not for a title - but at least to fight near the top.
And everything fell to piece near christmas . Sure it didn't start that bad even if we lost 3 games in a row, beat Millwall by 5-1 before losing to City with the same result. Then we won 4 out of 5 games and we climbed to 9th - before losing to Arsenal, losing to Palace (in the game I mentioned), were destroyed by Villa, drew away to Wimbledon with a lot of injuries. At the end of january we were 17th in the table (without a win in 11 games). At this time most people panicked and feared relegation. But when we beat Millwall and slowly started to win games again, there was a huge relief more than anything. But even if Mark Robins didn't save Ferguons job when he scored that winner against Forest in the FA Cup (United still claim his position was safe) - winning the FA Cup made all the difference for me and the few United-fans I had as friends. All the negativity was gone and despite this being the worst season during my time as a fairly young United-fan - you looked forward to the new season with a belief that this was the start of something good.
And despite a few hick-ups early in the 1990/91 season (losing 4-0 to Anfield in a game where we actually played quite well) - the team was starting to gel. We lost 1 out of 15 matches from late october to february. In Europe we brushed side every team we met - and in the league cup we first beat Liverpool 3-1 before inspired by Lee Sharpes hat-trick we destroyed Arsenal 6-2 at highbury. We lost the final in the league-cup but beat Barcelona in the Cup Winners Cup-final. We ended 6th in the league - but after this season every United-fan knew Ferguson was the right person - and that we were ready to win the league. And we did - even if it took us 1 season longer than we expected, and we had to wait until 1993.
So the sum up a long post in the middle of the night :
87/88 - positive - but obvious flaws in the squad.
88/89 - wary - but youngsters were a plus for Ferguson. Results a step back from last season
89/90 - wanted Ferguson fired around dec/jan - but once we turned that corner - and had the FA Cup final to look forward to - the negativity vanished
90/91 - positive - moving in the right direction. After winning the CWC - we were gonna win the league
91/92 - should have won the title - we will win it next season.
I should also add - for those not remembering it. During the summer of 95 when we sold Hughes, Ince and Kanchelskis - and replaced them with...kids, a lot of United-fans wanted Ferguson fired despite him taking us to 2 league titles in the last 3 seasons. And the feelings towards Ferguson were really poor from a lot of our fans.
Is he still an average manager if he wins the league or are you just covering all bases here?
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As i said....
Yeah but we never did before....
Or maybe a top manager comes and our players just lose the touch and the new manager wants his new toys. What Ole has done/is doing is nothing short of a remarkable job. Just because he doesn't use fancy tactical words in press conference doesn't mean he is any less manager.
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There’s no guarantee of that though. Van Gaal & Mourinho were top managers who managed at the highest level and won numerous big trophies throughout their respective careers. They couldn’t get the best out of the players or find a system that worked to the players strengths that would deliver consistent results. They lost the dressing room. It’s clear as day that these players are playing for Ole and really want him to succeed. That’s surely got to be the biggest thing for any manager at a club is having the players on board and believing in what you are trying to build and achieve at your club. Even when we hit a bad run towards the end of his half season in charge and then the early parts of last season when the pressure was building from the media and the fans for him to be shown the door, the most important thing is that the players still stood by him. There’s a real togetherness and belief that Ole has built in that team and it’s finally heading in the right direction which is something I haven’t said very often post Sir Alex.
The absolute length people will go to sneak in those comments
Imagine the credit he'd be giving to Poch right now if United manager and joint top? Outplayed and mini Mourinho such nonsense.
Just to note, I wasn't referring to this game but past game. The recent game against Aston villa, I believe things were even and a draw would have been a fair result. Ole has the knack of winner even if not dominating. That is a good characteristics to have and managers like mourinho has been successful like that.
Some stupid comments.
Neither the Villa nor the Wolves game was even and xG had United +1 in both games which is exactly what the result was, an one goal win.
Neither the Villa nor the Wolves game was even and xG had United +1 in both games which is exactly what the result was, an one goal win.
I saw some people starts worrying about his contract. Ole will not go anywhere, ever.
Top post and really insightful as I wasn't there back then.
@Bilbo asked me earlier why I haven't dropped off my enthusiasm and support for Ole, and while I can go into the specifics, for me it's more down to the parallels I see with us now, and what we saw in 2003-2005. Those two years were tough (now they seem like child's play compared to the 7 years we've gone through!). We saw Fergie being questioned and called past it, Ronaldo was seen as a circus act and we increasingly were looking stale and disjointed, but all the while we were building ourselves back up in response to first, the invincibles and then Jose's Chelsea. This inconsistency and the disjointed performances continued all the way up to 2005/6, where we got knocked out in an embarrassingly easy group in the CL for the first time, and we looked like we'd be finishing 3rd at best. However, in the latter half of the season it seemed like we flicked a switch and really started to get a head of momentum. We won the League Cup and we went on a good winning run which even gave us an outside shot of the title. Unfortunately a 3-0 loss to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in April put paid to that, but the momentum we had was undeniable and we rode that momentum all the way through into the 2006/7 season, despite only making the one signing in Michael Carrick.
Right now with Ole, I'm seeing some of those parallels now with us. He's totally reshaped a team that was seen as a lost cause with only 4 real first team signings and this team is now riding a crest of a wave similar to what the 2005/6 team had. However, while Fergie was able to get Evra, VDS, Carrick, Saha, and Vidic to complete his side after the cock ups he made in 2003 with Bellion, Djx2, Howard, et al; Ole really hasn't had the chance to do the same so I don't think we'll see us anywhere close to functioning and firing on all cylinders like that 2005/6 team did until at least 2 of the following purchases are made: a CB, DM, RW, and maybe a striker. If two of those signings are made, I think you'll see a much, much better Utd than what we're seeing now.
Is it just me or anyone else felt we might concede whenever opponent had a set-piece sent in to our box ???
Glad to see Ole saying we need to improve, learn to kill the game off.
Glad to see Ole saying we need to improve, learn to kill the game off.
But before the season started everybody said our squad wasn't good enough at all to win the title.
Ole deserves so much credit for now turning this around and making us believe
So where would we be with a 'top manager's? Or where do you think we should be with one (whoever you count as one)
Oh feck off! If you really think our football isn't pretty now, then I think you need to get your eyes and brain checked
obviously the real fans will only like ole when we are smashing teams 5-0 every week.
Like Jose? Or LvG? Moyes? Poch?
You're thinking that being Man Utd manager is easy and that any half decent manager could have just come in and have us flying and i'd say thats absolute nonsense. No one of us could have predicted the depths we would plunge too after SAF retired, but we know now
Dec 18 2018: Had just gotten completely embarrassed by Liverpool. Players all looked like they had just ran over their dog, Jose spewing venom in the post match interviews, almost daily briefings in the press about mutiny, infighting and dressing room unrest. We've come a long way since then
So how about you give Ole some credit instead of dealing in hypotheticals where a "good" manager would have won the league twice since then
After the end of transfer window, not many were optimistic of even a top 4 finish. Yet, here we are level on points with Liverpool after 15 games.
Our form since Bruno's arrival has been exceptional, and apart from WHU game, we've arguably been the better side or have been equal to the opposition in each of our PL games post 6-1 loss (Arsenal, City - I'd say we were pretty much equal, a bit here and there but that's it).
Maybe, we will be exactly where we are with a top manager. Maybe Ole is a top manager
Normally yes - thought we looked more switched on yesterday.
Well - I would say we were second best in all of our first 3 matches this season - but there is a reason for it with our lack of pre-season.
It's funny that RAWK are still ridiculing OGS - despite him picking up as many points as Klopp who is the best manager in the world.
this idea that anyone can come in and do a better job than Ole, is absurd.
Appointing Managers is a game of luck. You can do all the due diligence, and background - but quite frankly, whether they are a success or not in the modern era is a game of chance.
‘on paper’, LVG, hell even Moyes, and Jose should have been more successful than Ole. But here he is - we are playing well, and most importantly have a squad with the best attitude post Fergie. There’s no science behind why it works, it just does. We’ve stumbled on a manager, I couldn’t care less about his CV
- he’s doing a bloody good job.
yet some people think we should throw that away! Give the job to Poch? When it’s a 50/50 (not actual odds) chance he would be a success.
There’s a bloody good chance that he would be a complete failure! We start the cycle again, buy the wrong players, go through the learning curve of players getting used to a new manager...
It’s ridiculous.
managers aren’t like 100m runners. When you have 10 guys run a race, you know who is the best, who is the second best etc. That’s not the same with football managers.
Yeah, that's why I said post 6-1. I think had we had the pre season, we would have gotten atleast 3-4 points more from those two games if not all 6.
I think what people fail to realize is that for a manager, man management, motivation, team building, etc. are more important attributes than tactics, as that side can be taken up by a coach unlike the other attributes. Even when we talk of tactics, Ole has mostly gotten it correct if we do think of it. Of course there are games where he's gotten it awfully wrong, but the same can be said for literally every manager in the world from Pep to Klopp to Nagelsmann
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