Beckham was a great example to use given the sheer lack of effort yesterday though? He was a bloody workhorse above everything else. So was Giggs when he was younger.
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Beckham was a great example to use given the sheer lack of effort yesterday though? He was a bloody workhorse above everything else. So was Giggs when he was younger.
Overrated, Pogba is better than both because he shows up for half a season. On a serious note, you are absolutely spot on, Beckham had a ridiculous engine on him he could run for days. Beckham was a much better player than Pogba, had a genuine shout of being the best player in the world, while Pogba might not even be the best midfielder never mind player.
Yep,but Ole has shown a tendency to bring up the past on more than one occasion. His 'in our day we did this' is getting slightly tiresome to listen to.
At times it feels like his dewy eyed overly sentimental nostalgia is the only thing he can cling onto with regards to trying to take us forward.
You are very right about too many players having their heads turned by the ‘salary wars’ that the club has allowed to develop. I called it out at the time Sanchez was signed and it’s a disgrace that a club like City had more foresight than Utd in not allowing that cancer to grow at their club. Can’t disagree with anything that you’ve said but all the problems coexist and Ole should just concentrate on fixing the ones at the training ground and on the tactics board. We still play like strangers far too often. Teams like City and ‘Pool make our pressing look amateurish. If it’s not counter attack, we still can’t create going forward and when we have a striker on a purple patch like Lukaku he ends up being dropped in the name of Rashford dogma or some other dogma. The press don’t need any encouragement to create unhelpful drama around the club and none of it will help to fix the problems. so why indulge it? In case of Ole, probably to try to ingratiate the fans - but that’s short sighted. If Ole can’t quietly fix the play (problem no. 1) and I’m talking a complete technical refresh sort of thing we were at forefront of with Rene Meulenstein - then we need to let him go sooner rather than later.
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Is Rene Meulenstein rumoured to be involved in the chemistry ?
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Regardless of what one feels you have to feel he's alo been unfortunate. Matic, Young and De Gea, the players that were somewhat reliable to the last manager seem to be going out to give negative ten performances every game
The Independent: Manchester United vs Man City: How misguided emotion left Manchester United stuck in the past https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...woodward-transfer-window-latest-a8881806.html
Article that suggests emotion and the Tottenham game in particular clouded our judgement in appointing Ole.
Hard to disagree with a lot that has been written, for a major club we really do make some naive decisions at times.
Article that suggests emotion and the Tottenham game in particular clouded our judgement in appointing Ole.
Hard to disagree with a lot that has been written, for a major club we really do make some naive decisions at times.
I think whilst is probably was rushed they are a bit stuck really.
The only other option was Poch, who may or may not have come but if he did there was talk of a huge compensation fee. I honestly don't think Poch does that much with this squad at the moment so it would need investment, paying huge figures for a manager would be counter productive as it would pretty much be 1 signing already. I think Poch is clearly a very good manager but it will take time to rebuild this team.
I think the whole season has been a bit of a wash out, I think they need the season to end and get preseason going with a few new signings and some clearing out of deadwood.
Wrong example to use two of those guys are important players in teams who are fighting for the league whilst he himself bought Lukaku to United. What it shows is that his judgement isn't all that. And the player he chose over De bruyne is currently playing in china.
Edit: I read what you said again and realise I am wrong
Is there a chance Ole was announced when he was because Molde needed a decision? I know people here will not care about Molde but they've shown good grace about the whole process.
In any case, I've no love for most Premiership clubs, but do REALLY like Ole. I hope he doesn't have a disaster of a stint.
In any case, I've no love for most Premiership clubs, but do REALLY like Ole. I hope he doesn't have a disaster of a stint.
What business did he have resting McTominay for the City game. The Everton game was the more important game for us. After that anything we got against city would be a bonus. Not that Mactominay would have fixed everything but seeing Matic give Gylfi all the space to shoot really ticked me off.
Said no one ever.
Wrong example to use two of those guys are important players in teams who are fighting for the league whilst he himself bought Lukaku to United. What it shows is that his judgement isn't all that. And the player he chose over De bruyne is currently playing in china.
Edit: I read what you said again and realise I am wrong
Sometimes managers discount players easily like Moaninho did with Salah, KdB and Lukaku, but it is very rare for a manager to play a player often for 2 seasons and still want to sell him. Moaninho had something against KdB, he spread lies about his attitude and training, maybe he didn't like him as a person. But he gave Martial a lot of chances, he praised him and said that he has the talent to be an amazing player, but gave up on him eventually.Not this again. Mourinho was entirely justified to overlook these players as he had better immediate options available and wasn't going to be at Chelsea for the long haul.
Love how media is suddenly changing a track.
The truth is we're a circus. And that sells. Unfortunately, this is what our future will be unless we sort ourselves out.
True, it's just silly though, from gunning for Ole to why did we appoint him instead of sticking to one opinion.
Guys. We had a great run of form, now we're having a bad results and performances, but we have to look at things in a longer perspective and not just immediate success. We've been mismanaged for years and it's going to take time to get things sorted out, regardless of who the manager is.
Who would have done a better job? Absolutely not Zidane. Poch? Not immediately at least, he would also need time to straighten the ship, plus there's no indication he's available. It's too easy to call for the manager's head after a rocky period and it wouldn't solve anything at all. It also takes a concerted effort from every department in the club (and that's where we're probably doomed), not just the manager. It's a big jigsaw puzzle where all the pieces must fit together.
Who would have done a better job? Absolutely not Zidane. Poch? Not immediately at least, he would also need time to straighten the ship, plus there's no indication he's available. It's too easy to call for the manager's head after a rocky period and it wouldn't solve anything at all. It also takes a concerted effort from every department in the club (and that's where we're probably doomed), not just the manager. It's a big jigsaw puzzle where all the pieces must fit together.
Sunshine all the way!
“Danny Mills” and “right” are not two phrases that go together.
Gareth Southgate was his pick to go to Man Utd ffs
First time I have seen the press ask decent questions at a press conference in years. Questioned Ole whether he is the right man to take the club forward and questioned whether he was the right man to make decisions on player rotation.
Most people did think it was a strange move to sell them though even if it did work in the very short term. Getting Willian in for Martial would have been a similar short term move from Mourinho and getting Sanchez was one too.
I know people like to defend Mourinho a lot and he does win things early on. Although his transfers are always short term buys and moves that hurt the team in the long run.
With that said selling Luiz worked well since they did get him back for slightly cheaper.
That's why you need a strong DoF. The manager has every right to focus on immediate priorities, but needs to report into someone who may overrule at times with the longer term ambitions of the club at heart.
No disputing they were good questions. Just a shame that they came from the same press that were pushing the "what more can he do?" narrative just weeks ago and, if we had gone with someone else, would have lambasted the club for it.
I'm really confused why we decided to make him permanent when we did. However, I do think we needed this dip before the end of the season to truly reinforce where he is starting from. Missing out on top 4 could be a blessing in disguise as far as I'm concerned in that we can focus solely on the league next season and it stops us chasing the marquee signings, instead looking at players that actually fit 'a' plan (hopefully supported by an appropriate DoF appointment).
This ^^^^^
The day that Danny Mills is "right" will be the day I stop watching football!
Many mistakes have been made by the club. I hope to god Ole has not been appointed to be a 'yes man' to Woodward. If Ole wants to be successful at Utd and I am sure he does he is going to need to bring that axe down heavily in the summer as there are quite clearly a number of players who are either a) not committed to the club or b) not good enough. If Utd want to move forwards we need to see massive clear out of unprecedented proportions. If we start next season with Smalling, Jones and Young with Matic and Lukaku in the line up, then we will be even worse next season
I think an exodus might not be a bad thing if we can get a good technical director in place to recruit at a young age group and let them grow together. Ole alongside Carrick, Phelan etc might well be a good player development manager.
The results might not be pretty for a season or two but sometimes you have to take a step back to take two steps forward and reducing expectations during a rebuild might not be the worst idea. There are plenty of bloated egos and wallets in that dressing room.
The results might not be pretty for a season or two but sometimes you have to take a step back to take two steps forward and reducing expectations during a rebuild might not be the worst idea. There are plenty of bloated egos and wallets in that dressing room.
Ole should get all the support and not being put into questioning after a few disappointing results. Barcelona and Arsenal can beat anyone on their day, Wolves have been very good this season and yes, Everton have assemembled some very good players.
After Pep spent hundreds of millions, Everton beat him 4:0.
Martial, Pogba, Fred, McTominay,
Shaw, Dalot and Lindelof are under long term contracts and should definitely stay put.
If De Gea, Herrera and Rashford don't want to renew, let them leave. Lukaku, Sanchez, Lingard, Matic, Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Young should be allowed to leave, if they want to.
Buy a very good winger (e.g Sancho), one top no.6 and a promising creative midfielder, a right back and a top class centre back.
Overall the scouts should be able to find them for about 150-200mil. With the potential outgoings it should be manageable.
Overall the situation is solveable. With the aformentioned acquisitions we have a good chance to challenge for titles. The rants from Neville are nothing but laughable, it's not that bad!
After Pep spent hundreds of millions, Everton beat him 4:0.
Martial, Pogba, Fred, McTominay,
Shaw, Dalot and Lindelof are under long term contracts and should definitely stay put.
If De Gea, Herrera and Rashford don't want to renew, let them leave. Lukaku, Sanchez, Lingard, Matic, Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Young should be allowed to leave, if they want to.
Buy a very good winger (e.g Sancho), one top no.6 and a promising creative midfielder, a right back and a top class centre back.
Overall the scouts should be able to find them for about 150-200mil. With the potential outgoings it should be manageable.
Overall the situation is solveable. With the aformentioned acquisitions we have a good chance to challenge for titles. The rants from Neville are nothing but laughable, it's not that bad!
This is why you need a manager who, with the active encouragement of the club, focuses on the longer-term.
Then you don't need a DoF and then you are not setting things up for internal conflict when the DoF over-rules the manager.
We need a DoF who's far away from all this sentimentality BS that's hamstrung our rebuild. There's been a shift to technical football and we're still in the early 2000s raving about passion, fitness and trying to resurrect the United way
Its genuinely surprising to me how many people seem keen to stick the boot into Ole.
The club is refusing to make the changes needed to give any manager the platform for success. Look at the embarrassing spectacle of how we, publicly, declared we'd let Darmian go only to have to reverse ferret because we wouldn't accept a cut price fee for him. Our (bizarre) valuations are clogging up our wage bill and ensuring players who should be long gone get new deals.
As long as the club refuses to let any coach cut the fat out of this squad we ain't going nowhere.
The club is refusing to make the changes needed to give any manager the platform for success. Look at the embarrassing spectacle of how we, publicly, declared we'd let Darmian go only to have to reverse ferret because we wouldn't accept a cut price fee for him. Our (bizarre) valuations are clogging up our wage bill and ensuring players who should be long gone get new deals.
As long as the club refuses to let any coach cut the fat out of this squad we ain't going nowhere.
They've had years and years to get the players they want and to mould them into a team playing the way they want.
Ole has a mixture of players from four different managers with four different playing styles who lack fitness and apparently lack the balls/desire to play for the team/club. What exactly is Ole supposed to do with this lot?
These players just down tools when it suits them, that's all on the players. They proved this when the moaning one was sacked, played well for Ole just to prove a point but now they've reverted to type. Why are people so blind that they cannot see there's too much player power at the club? Agendas?
Yes. What bothers me is that there are so many pundits, ex-pro’s, ex-managers and so called experts who clearly grew up hating the Man Utd dominance and just want to put the boot into us any time we have even a minor blip.
It doesn’t matter who our manager is - they see every defeat as a failure.
I get it. I think. But they are enjoying our failures too much to take their words seriously and there are so many ABU’s our there that they know the garbage they spout is going to be lapped up by the majority of the football world.
I just wish our fans would see through it and not get bogged down in the negativity. We’re not finished yet. And tbh the constant shit we get means we are -still- relevant. Just about.
Couldn't agree more.
What a load of bollocks.
Give him no time to sort the squad but declare him not good enough.
This thread is pathetic, especially from so-called United supporters. Maybe you should all feck off and go support Liverpool because, God knows, you all sound like their supporters.
Nah, that should be largely outside the remit of the first team manager and coaching staff. Name one current successful manager at a top European club who has been there for more than five years? Simeone is the only one. It's not going to happen all that often, even with the best intentions in the world. Modern elite football clubs are too large for one man to act as the first team manager and the director of football. Even Ferguson's latter years are infected with short termism.
It's just easier. Blame the manager and act is there's nothing more to it.
A thread that highlights the 'Instagram-mification' of football coverage and opinion. And no, I am not dismissing all comments, opinions etc, Red Cafe and similar platforms are superb. But this instant response to a few games etc, is so unhealthy for the game as a whole, and I also blame these 'celebrity' pundits, many of which find it far too difficult to balance their club allegiances, with good insight.
The issues in current form, and the wider structural issues at the club are not levelled at Ole Gunner Solksjaer. He hasn't even had half a season yet! We were going backwards under previous managers. Now, with two wins, we could qualify for the CL. I am happy with that, and v grateful to Ole.
However.. what I DO think, is that this has been in many ways a perfect storm for Ole. He has experienced the heights and sheer euphoria of the fan base... and now he is seeing the players in their true light.
Most importantly, he KNOWS that he has to respond to these matters now, and that will test him as a manager and whether he IS the right man. I think he will come through this well. But he needs to shelve a lot of those players, and forget this 'we can't sell too many...' bla bla, bla.
He has to get rid of the deadwood, get some new names, and move on. There are decent players out there.
The issues in current form, and the wider structural issues at the club are not levelled at Ole Gunner Solksjaer. He hasn't even had half a season yet! We were going backwards under previous managers. Now, with two wins, we could qualify for the CL. I am happy with that, and v grateful to Ole.
However.. what I DO think, is that this has been in many ways a perfect storm for Ole. He has experienced the heights and sheer euphoria of the fan base... and now he is seeing the players in their true light.
Most importantly, he KNOWS that he has to respond to these matters now, and that will test him as a manager and whether he IS the right man. I think he will come through this well. But he needs to shelve a lot of those players, and forget this 'we can't sell too many...' bla bla, bla.
He has to get rid of the deadwood, get some new names, and move on. There are decent players out there.
People really do need to take a step back, yes the honeymoon period is over and certain players are reverting to type again and not showing up in games which is good as Ole Gunnar Solksjaer can which players are willing to put in a shift game after game and those who will not or cannot which will make it easier to decide where changes will be made, but calling for the managers head already is downright ludicrous and stupid.
Absolutely.
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