How about 90mins on a regular basis, throughout the season, since August bar about 3 games.
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How about 90mins on a regular basis, throughout the season, since August bar about 3 games.
You know what's sad? Despite our shitshow of a season so far, we still haven't reached rock bottom yet.
Ahhh I remember that one! The trauma of it all.
@bucky @Mihai @Jacckk1985 not really sure why you guys are so defensive - I never claimed it to be a full training video.
It’s still a sucky video.
And our effort on the pitch shows a lack of coaching anyway.
The video posted in the op is not a 90 minute game.
I just wonder now, regardless of personal preference, does anyone think Solskjaer will be in charge of mufc next season?
I'm 50/50 on this now. The rumours about the sponsors being fecking furious with the club etc, and season ticket renewal time not far away - this is a very tricky period for Ole now. Couple more bad results and Woodward might be forced to take Ol' Yella round the back of the barn and bullet him just to raise morale among the sponsors and stakeholders and try to get a new manager bounce again. I thought we'd end up around 12-14th by the end of March but I don't know if it'll be allowed to get that bad, anymore.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...r-admits-players-Man-United-werent-minds.html
In short; in a few years we will start winning.
In short; in a few years we will start winning.
That's why I took last year into account, too.
Bar his first three games, I don't think we've played good stuff under Ole even with them three for the most part.
His tired nonsense is getting boring. I mean, Pogba is still here, despite going public with his desire to leave.
Mad to think people are ok with such a massive club allowing itself to rot.
Season ticket renewal time is back end of April/early May, which is even worse if we're nowhere near top 4 (which I expect) and out of the cups (which I also expect). The best thing the club can do to ensure those renewals don't drop is announce summer signings early, which just won't happen as players will want to focus on the end of the season with their team. Come summer we have a 2 week window to sign players going to the Euros, anything after that we've no chance. As a club we really are on the very edge of collapsing into a state which will take a lot longer than Oles 3 year contract to sort out.
It's what real fans do, mate. Apparently. Well, real fans of Man United, not of any other club.
Yeah, why would I defend Ole, when you post something like this based on our warm-up:
Criticise him for his team selection against Wolves, him being content with a draw by the looks of it or his handling of injured players, he deserves it, but I can also defend him against over the top nonsense.
Josimar (original source) have been trying to frame Jim Solbakken (Ole's agent) for the last 6-7 years. Understandable considering he's a dodgy guy. 3-4 years ago they wanted to interview Ole regarding Solbakken but he refused because he felt they had a witch hunt against Solbakken. Ever since that rejection they've been desperate to portray Ole as a villain.
In this case the only potential criticism of Ole would be why he continued using the charged player but that can easily be countered by 'innocent until proven guilty'. Charged doesn't mean convicted. Ole's take:
That twitter guy is a cretin. The notion that Ole, while being a temporary manager at Manchester United, masterminded (from a different country) the escape of a guy on trial for rape... it's quite baffling really. In fact most of that timeline happened after Ole had left Molde. Last week he was supporting Woodward's house being attacked and also had a long thread about how the whole thing was a set up from Woodward's PR department. Utter scums like him are best avoided.
The Man Utd twitter account called it a training video, I'm only making reference to what they called it - hence why I put it in quotes.
There's nothing OTT about calling a crap video, crap. Or having the opinion that our players aren't coached, based on our lack of style of play on the pitch.
Unless you're trying to suggest that our team play a distinctive style of play that is indicative of being coached in a system that not only creates chances but clearly highlights the roles of each of our players?
& I'll criticise him for all those other things too.
I somewhat agree with posters making the point that there's no need for hyperbole on either side of the ole in/out debate. I'm firmly Ole out but you can't whitewash the man completely. He does have certain qualities, like he has kept morale relatively high despite appalling results, young players feel confident playing under him.
At the same time, the stats don't lie. The run of form since after PSG has been appalling. The Ole in crowd will point to injuries and being unlucky etc etc. Ole has been doing this too, saying the goals just needed to be moved an inch or two to the left or whatever. But it's not bad luck.It's what points to, imo, his ultimate failing as a manager and why he will most likely never be good enough for a club this size.
Another poster can't remember who it was hit the nail on the head by saying 'he only plans for the best ever possible scenario' or words to that effect. And that in a nutshell is what makes him such a terrible manager. This might have been that same quality that made him one of the best ever supersubs. That level of belief in a positive outcome, despite the odds, might be what drove him to score so many goals in the last 20 mins of matches.
As a manager though it is an appalling quality and why so many of us saw a big fecking red flag appearing on the horizon when he decided to go into this season with such a light attacking force. There was also no guarantee at that time that Rashford would elevate himself to a level where he was basically carrying the team, so the mind kind of boggles as to where we would be now, if we had had the Rashford of last season.
Ole's chief failure is contingency planning. A good manager/leader would plan for the worst possible situations they can face, so that when those situations arise they can be dealt with. All the 'Ole in' posters saying 'he was so unlucky with injuries etc'. No, he wasn't unlucky. We became overstretched over the season as he was overplaying players in every competition trying desperately to get results to save his bacon, and thats what led to an injury crisis. From the beginning of the season he should have been looking at all the things that could have gone wrong and how things would start playing out when the chips were down.
I think he's a victim of being too fecking positive. Part of what must be so seductive about his management to the 'Ole in' crowd as it's like the complete polar opposite of Jose, who would control for all factors in a football match, even if that meant crushing the life out of it as a joyous enterprise. Ole is all about belief, positivity, Man Utd DNA, young players etc etc. In his head he probably thought Lingard and Pereira were gonna tear it up as attacking midfielders because they were Man Utd academy lads with the right DNA and just needed that belief to elevate them to the next level.
But the reality about Ole as a manager and in general the 'Ole In' crowd is that It's simply dreadfully fecking naive. The red flags were right there when we sold lukaku, loaned and sanchez and didn't try to replace them. How rose tinted can you get that you are going to send out that team into the money laden premier league against managers who do understand how to plan for the worst possible situations, because they don't have the players that are going to nick them a result. The only reason it hasn't been awful is we have some seriously good players who can dig us out a result every now and then, even against the best teams in the league. All in all though he's extremely lightweight as a manager and doesn't have the ruthless qualities of a SAF or a Klopp or a Guardiola.
The other massive red flag is how matey he is with the other managers, particularly Klopp and Guardiola. He's all smiles after games with them and I agree with RvP, after that kind of sh*t 'now is not the time to be smiling'. I doubt Klopp or Guardiola would be that matey with him if the roles were reversed and their team was languishing in 7th, unable to open up defences and turning their home stadium into the dampest of damp squibs. Their blood would be fecking boiling in such a situation, because not winning is like a personal affront. The fact Ole's started saying all kinds of Moyesy kind of things post match now really should be the final nail in the coffin of any hope. He's unable to deal with it, same way Moyes wasn't, so he's just saying stuff now to help him avoid facing the harsh fecking reality of the situation.
And now in these threads we're getting the same kind of tactic from the vociferous 'ole in' crowd. Saying anything they can to avoid confronting reality. Resorting to ad hominems because deep down they know the arguments for him as manager are weak as sh*t. The excuses that are being created seem to constantly evolve and become more and more delusional. 'Klopp needed time'. 'We almost sacked SAF after one year' 'Noone could have foreseen Pogba and Rashford getting injured' (btw yes they could and thousands did) 'its the board and the glazers (he spent £150m on players in one season, most midtable clubs would be lucky to spend that in 5) etc etc.
Positivity is a good thing and it's the main weapon 'Ole IN' crowd have used against everyone who has highlighted lack of planning or poor decisions; 'so much negativity and moaning blah blah'. But, sometimes positivity just turns into downright delusion, a fear of facing the cold hard reality of the situation. And when it gets to this point, it's hard to even say that it's actually even positivity anymore. Delusion isn't a positive thing, it's negativity shielded by a layer of fantasy.
The stats don'e lie, they are as real as it gets. At the moment we need some reality.
Bit of a rant and I'm obviously largely preaching to the choir, but my 2 cents anyway.
At the same time, the stats don't lie. The run of form since after PSG has been appalling. The Ole in crowd will point to injuries and being unlucky etc etc. Ole has been doing this too, saying the goals just needed to be moved an inch or two to the left or whatever. But it's not bad luck.It's what points to, imo, his ultimate failing as a manager and why he will most likely never be good enough for a club this size.
Another poster can't remember who it was hit the nail on the head by saying 'he only plans for the best ever possible scenario' or words to that effect. And that in a nutshell is what makes him such a terrible manager. This might have been that same quality that made him one of the best ever supersubs. That level of belief in a positive outcome, despite the odds, might be what drove him to score so many goals in the last 20 mins of matches.
As a manager though it is an appalling quality and why so many of us saw a big fecking red flag appearing on the horizon when he decided to go into this season with such a light attacking force. There was also no guarantee at that time that Rashford would elevate himself to a level where he was basically carrying the team, so the mind kind of boggles as to where we would be now, if we had had the Rashford of last season.
Ole's chief failure is contingency planning. A good manager/leader would plan for the worst possible situations they can face, so that when those situations arise they can be dealt with. All the 'Ole in' posters saying 'he was so unlucky with injuries etc'. No, he wasn't unlucky. We became overstretched over the season as he was overplaying players in every competition trying desperately to get results to save his bacon, and thats what led to an injury crisis. From the beginning of the season he should have been looking at all the things that could have gone wrong and how things would start playing out when the chips were down.
I think he's a victim of being too fecking positive. Part of what must be so seductive about his management to the 'Ole in' crowd as it's like the complete polar opposite of Jose, who would control for all factors in a football match, even if that meant crushing the life out of it as a joyous enterprise. Ole is all about belief, positivity, Man Utd DNA, young players etc etc. In his head he probably thought Lingard and Pereira were gonna tear it up as attacking midfielders because they were Man Utd academy lads with the right DNA and just needed that belief to elevate them to the next level.
But the reality about Ole as a manager and in general the 'Ole In' crowd is that It's simply dreadfully fecking naive. The red flags were right there when we sold lukaku, loaned and sanchez and didn't try to replace them. How rose tinted can you get that you are going to send out that team into the money laden premier league against managers who do understand how to plan for the worst possible situations, because they don't have the players that are going to nick them a result. The only reason it hasn't been awful is we have some seriously good players who can dig us out a result every now and then, even against the best teams in the league. All in all though he's extremely lightweight as a manager and doesn't have the ruthless qualities of a SAF or a Klopp or a Guardiola.
The other massive red flag is how matey he is with the other managers, particularly Klopp and Guardiola. He's all smiles after games with them and I agree with RvP, after that kind of sh*t 'now is not the time to be smiling'. I doubt Klopp or Guardiola would be that matey with him if the roles were reversed and their team was languishing in 7th, unable to open up defences and turning their home stadium into the dampest of damp squibs. Their blood would be fecking boiling in such a situation, because not winning is like a personal affront. The fact Ole's started saying all kinds of Moyesy kind of things post match now really should be the final nail in the coffin of any hope. He's unable to deal with it, same way Moyes wasn't, so he's just saying stuff now to help him avoid facing the harsh fecking reality of the situation.
And now in these threads we're getting the same kind of tactic from the vociferous 'ole in' crowd. Saying anything they can to avoid confronting reality. Resorting to ad hominems because deep down they know the arguments for him as manager are weak as sh*t. The excuses that are being created seem to constantly evolve and become more and more delusional. 'Klopp needed time'. 'We almost sacked SAF after one year' 'Noone could have foreseen Pogba and Rashford getting injured' (btw yes they could and thousands did) 'its the board and the glazers (he spent £150m on players in one season, most midtable clubs would be lucky to spend that in 5) etc etc.
Positivity is a good thing and it's the main weapon 'Ole IN' crowd have used against everyone who has highlighted lack of planning or poor decisions; 'so much negativity and moaning blah blah'. But, sometimes positivity just turns into downright delusion, a fear of facing the cold hard reality of the situation. And when it gets to this point, it's hard to even say that it's actually even positivity anymore. Delusion isn't a positive thing, it's negativity shielded by a layer of fantasy.
The stats don'e lie, they are as real as it gets. At the moment we need some reality.
Bit of a rant and I'm obviously largely preaching to the choir, but my 2 cents anyway.
The detail and informed opinion I was looking for, cheers.
What I always find funny from the likes of Neville, Scholes and his buddies is how they try to say Ole is bringing back Manchester United's ethos back. I am like what ethos. This whole idea that we were just Passion FC under sir alex must stop. Let us stop rewriting history. Sir Alex was a winner, he was an arrogant SOB who would do anything to win. He was ruthless as feck and sold mnost of them if they were not good enough. He was not an emotional fool. He may not be the greatest tactician but his game management was still damn good.
I don't see anything with Ole. He looks polar opposite to Sir alex, it's like he never learned much from the great man and just focused on maintaining good relationship with players. Trust me SIr alex couldn't give a damn about maintaining good relationship with his players. Perform well and you remain or else just feck off. He threw a boot at Beckham's face because he was done with his stupid things. He sold Van Nistelrooy and Roy keane even though they were still half decent then. He sold Richardson even though he contributed more than Lingard and Periera. This whole rewriting of history must stop. Ole is not fit enough to manage this big club. I won't call him names as he has done more for the club than many but I have not seen much to suggest the guy can lead us to glory.
I don't see anything with Ole. He looks polar opposite to Sir alex, it's like he never learned much from the great man and just focused on maintaining good relationship with players. Trust me SIr alex couldn't give a damn about maintaining good relationship with his players. Perform well and you remain or else just feck off. He threw a boot at Beckham's face because he was done with his stupid things. He sold Van Nistelrooy and Roy keane even though they were still half decent then. He sold Richardson even though he contributed more than Lingard and Periera. This whole rewriting of history must stop. Ole is not fit enough to manage this big club. I won't call him names as he has done more for the club than many but I have not seen much to suggest the guy can lead us to glory.
It absolutely is, when you draw conclusions of our work in training, based on a promotional video of our warm-up, highlighting our new signing, or saying that our players aren't coached, when individually some have shown clear improvements under him. We quite clearly also have a style of play, the fact that we aren't good enough at it, doesn't change that.
Brilliantly informed post, and glad someone could nip this in the bud before it went anywhere.
Ha, good joke. Like any club would waste their time.
I just made more or less exactly same point but in about 50 000 more words. But yeah, I totally agree. SAF was ruthless almost to a Machiavellian extreme. Meanwhile we got Ole laughing and joking and patting pep on the back after watching his team chase shadows for 90 mins.
I know we do feck all in training because i've been watching us for the last 10 months. The 'training video' was a funny cherry on top & my comment was clearly tongue-in-cheek.
I'm not entirely sure what 'clear' improvements we've made as a team, Ole is on a worse win % than every post-SAF manager & based on points, this is our worst season in the PL.
Some individuals like Rashford & Fred have improved, yes - but as a team I don't see a clear style of play beyond counter-attack - that shouldn't be good enough for our club.
Our corners are never organised on offence or defence, our (fully fit) front 3 have changed positions at least 2x this season alone, despite our formation not having a #10, we play at least 1 #10 out of position every single match, and we didn't even have a designated penalty taker at the start of the season - I could go on.
The whole thing is a mess, and if you think my criticisms are OTT, then I'd assume that you think a lot of people's criticisms are OTT, because i'm being mild.
Which is why he should lose his job. That wasn't your initial point I responded to though, was it?! People keep saying we do feck all in training, he's a clown or the worst manager in the league, that's not criticism, that's just childish venting. Which is why I defend him, even though I think he should be replaced.
My original point was that I believe we do feck all in training. Obviously i'm not being literal, clearly we do something, but in the 14 months he's been with us, we haven't improved.
That's the equivalent of feck all imo, if you think it's childish that's fine.
Yup, in short we're an utter shambles and Ole has absolutely no right managing us. We are going backwards under him and how people still defend him, despite the damning stats, is absolutely beyond me.
Though when you're in the 'Ole in brigade' you have carte blanche to critique anyone and everything bar the manager. But here's the catch, if a signing comes good or we get a good result, Ole is the oracle. When we lose, sheesh it's that the team is crap, Woodward is Woodward, the ball was only 93% inflated, injuries etc. It's mental gymnastics at it's finest, all to avoid the awkward truth that Ole is a really poor manager who's doing an utterly horrendous job.
Weird post.
Insightful.
We have won 10 premier league games in 10 months. How can anyone justify that with a serious face on?
This guy is a bum.
This guy is a bum.
Reading the first page... so much hope 
If he manages to get top 4 he'll be here and deserve to, if we end up lower than that he'll need to win the Europa or FA cup. If he manages none of the above he deserves to be relieved of his job.
I don't believe that Ole is the man to take us forward but I hope he proves me wrong and turns this season around. But if he doesn't I see no reason why he should be a part of a rebuild when he clearly is out of his depth.
Throwing away another season as we're always way too late to make the inevitable, obvious decisions. I'm sick of this sentimentality rubbish, I can seperate the player from the manager. As a player, he was great, but as a manager, he has been terrible, constantly repeats the same old, tired excuses, has shown no signs of progress in over a year, our football is shite, the players he has bought in have arguably all gotten worse since being under his coaching, his management of player's fatigue has been terrible, his in game subs are always way too late and extremely predictable, he has spent 150m on the defence and our defence has arguably gotten worse, there is no signs of cohesive football, with teams like Sheffield etc. playing better football than we do, he has won 10 games in 10 months, Molde are doing much better since he left and his only top flight stint ended in relegation and termination etc. etc.
How many more reasons do we need to get rid of him ffs? Guy is so clearly out of his depth, it's ridiculous. The worst manager in the prem. We've been absolute shite since the PSG game, when teams eventually realised we are absolutely fecking clueless when we aren't given space to counter attack in.
How many more reasons do we need to get rid of him ffs? Guy is so clearly out of his depth, it's ridiculous. The worst manager in the prem. We've been absolute shite since the PSG game, when teams eventually realised we are absolutely fecking clueless when we aren't given space to counter attack in.
I am yet to see this, in an explicit way anyway and not his agent saying “Pogba should be at a club”
Also to note about Ole smiling in pressers.....we all saw Ole going MENTAL at Lingard the other night.
That’s Ole letting slip what he’s like behind closed doors, if i was a betting man, I wouldn’t bet against it being true
Just in case this doesn't get any love - good post. I dont personally agree with much of it, but it's well written with some analysis there - way above 99% of the angry kid dross on here nowadays.
Point tally within the respective season is important no one denies that. Say if Liverpool had lesser point tally than last season and still won the league, would it matter? Or does it mean that they regressed? No I'm afraid. That's what Im trying to portray.
The more the season goes by the more I am disillusioned with the aspect of Solskjaer being our manager. I truly believe there's no point nor destination whereby the fortunes of the club will change. We've now spent 200 million and we are still performing worse than last season under Mourinho. Ole has the worst win percentage and record compared to any manager proceeding after SAF.
We have quite easily one of the worst managers in the league, it's actually the quality of our team that's keeping us in a fighting position for 4th. What has Ole done to appease the relativity of time by way of phases of play, identity, tactical methodology or man management ? He offers nothing. Solskjaer is as much the calibre of a United manager than what Pereria is of a United midfielder. The head of the snake is never the individual players it's always the manager, he sets the responsibility and I'll look forward to hearing him being sacked if treacherous results continue.
We have quite easily one of the worst managers in the league, it's actually the quality of our team that's keeping us in a fighting position for 4th. What has Ole done to appease the relativity of time by way of phases of play, identity, tactical methodology or man management ? He offers nothing. Solskjaer is as much the calibre of a United manager than what Pereria is of a United midfielder. The head of the snake is never the individual players it's always the manager, he sets the responsibility and I'll look forward to hearing him being sacked if treacherous results continue.
Really?
https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-...7/pogba-wants-new-challenge,-united-wont-sell
I mean, it's on video. Then there is this which quickly followed:
https://sports.yahoo.com/breaking-news-pogba-wants-man-164332238.html
Spot on.
That's all well and good, him having a go at him for repeatedly losing the ball. However, you have to wonder why he would then sub him on again in the next game when chasing a goal.
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