Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[He'sRaldo]

Do any of us even know what assistant managers actually do? This all seems like a bunch of lazy speculation to me.

Not every assistant is the same, but assistants like Buvac, Kraweitz, Ljinders, Arteta, have been talked about by their managers before; they are quite important.

It's not like there's nothing to know about them, if you're interested you can find it I'm sure.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Can we now say that Ole has been sufficiently backed and with the addition of Fernandes the midfield isn't a weak point and he needs to deliver now?

They will still come up with excuses

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Klopp has attacked kids and gone mad at people randomly during games. That doesn't make him a better manager for doing it or does it in your view?
If Ole attacks some kids after our next defeat will you support him more?
I am sure Klopp gives good tactical instructions or his assistants do that job at least.
Emotions can be used to push the team in the dressing room and SAF did that a lot. Klopp certainly does that as well and most managers do.
Being angry after defeats and pushing the desire for revenge into your squad can work wonders. Maybe even pushing the team after wins being upset with performances.

Randomly shouting on your players like Ole did is just not really good for anyone. It feels like what Moyes normally did with 0 effect here. Don't think it matter much if he did it or not. Just pointless and not something to celebrate just becuase people hate Lingard here.

No, Jesse fecked up and Ole told him off. Exactly the fecking same thing Klopp did in that video to Moreno you absolute nutter @Paul_Scholes18

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

No.

No? How much is enough in 10 months? 500 million euros?

 

[Adnan]

No.

No.

He now has a good defense and a good midfield on paper. Pogba, Fernandes, Fred, McTominay, are a very good group of players to have for most managers. I think it's fair to expect a top 4 finish with the squad we have.

I would say he has a squad now that should challenge Chelsea strongly for the top 4 spot.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Jesse played well for about a month under Mourinho. We call that a purple patch, is the exception rather than the rule.


No, Jesse fecked up and Ole told him off. Exactly the fecking same thing Klopp did in that video to Moreno you absolute nutter @Paul_Scholes18

It was more than a month. He was not nailed on for most of the time that season, but played often well once he played. He had one month when he scored a lot, but he did other things in other games that helped the team. The team dropped in performance big time near the end, but we still won more games than we dropped points in.


Well it was pretty pointless is my point if that was all he said. Do better or you will be subbed off is all he said right? It is not like Lingard didn't try or do people think he plays shit on purpose?Also he probably knew he would be subbed off anyway. What Klopp said I don't know the context off, but he has done many crazy stupid things too. Great manager of course, but even them can do and say stupid things. Like to blame the wind and other things.

Ole being agressive/angry towards the team can maybe give us some fighting spirit during the break. Although that was all we really had yesterday and too much agression gave us a red card too. Yesterday what we needed was a better tactical direction mixed with the fight. Should have been talked about during half time, but we didn't really change much.

 

[M16Red]

he is making slight improvements, you can tell in the way we now play against big teams, we’re keeping hold of the ball and trying to play on the floor unlike with mourinho we hardly seen the ball against the top teams or we just lumped it forward. Also we should see a different side against lower opposition now that we have someone who can create and score in fernandes.

I see it, but most on here don't. I call them forum fans that like the idea that really management is like FM or FIFA, where players don't come with the human condition.

 

[mu4c_20le]

We still need a RW and a striker, a DM, and if the right target is available for the right price, another FB. Bruno alone may not be enough, he still needs time to settle, but if Rashford/Pogba/Mctominay all come back fit and motivated then we have a good chance for top 4. Pogba may even end up being a hero after the dust settles.

 

[Mainoldo]

Deary me, this place has an incredible amount of moaners and cry babies. Just look at the team we had to put out yesterday and the one that city put out. How we managed to come out with a win is a miracle in itself.

Bit by bit, we are building a solid team and in time it'll show on the results. If we had our full strength team playing yesterday, then there is a more than decent chance we would be in the final.

Another thing to notice is how the players are giving it their absolute all for ole. Despite being knackered, they're putting in a solid shift. This is more than I could say of Jose, lvg or moyes.

Sacking him now will be devastating for team morale

Just hope we somehow stumble onto the winter break in 5 th and manage to get our injured players back. That should put us in with a decent chance of the top 4 or the europa.

De Gea - world class

AWB- claimed best defensive RB in the league

Maguire - 80m

Lindelof - Best CB last year

Shaw - he ain’t the best but he’s not as bad as Cancelo this season

Williams - Is he not better than Shaw currently?

Matic - League winner; experienced
Fred - Our best CM
Lingard - pants
Martial - Top quality

Greenwood - young superstar in the making.

I’m sorry. What was wrong with our team mate?

Actually find that abit disrespectful.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I see it, but most on here don't. I call them forum fans that like the idea that really management is like FM or FIFA.

So, your qualifications @M16Red are?

"I call them forum fans", have you any idea what an absolute arsewipe that makes you sound like? Do you do realsie it's possible for two fans to have completely different opinions and neither means one is more intelligent or clued in than the other? Just like myself and @ivaldo and our polar opposite views on Matic.

 

[ivaldo]

So, your qualifications @M16Red are?

"I call them forum fans", have you any idea what an absolute arsewipe that makes you sound like? Do you do realsie it's possible for two fans to have completely different opinions and neither means one is more intelligent or clued in than the other? Just like myself and @ivaldo and our polar opposite views on Matic.

Now come on RAB. We need M16Red's help. Otherwise, how else will we know if our opinions are correct or not?

 

[Mainoldo]

We still need a RW and a striker, a DM, and if the right target is available for the right price, another FB. Bruno alone may not be enough, he still needs time to settle, but if Rashford/Pogba/Mctominay all come back fit and motivated then we have a good chance for top 4. Pogba may even end up being a hero after the dust settles.

Hopefully a Europa league win. I hope we can loan in a striker as I don’t believe Rashford will be back this season.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Not every assistant is the same, but assistants like Buvac, Kraweitz, Ljinders, Arteta, have been talked about by their managers before; they are quite important.

It's not like there's nothing to know about them, if you're interested you can find it I'm sure.

Nothing seems to have significantly changed since Buvac's and Arteta's departures though. Not familiar with the other two.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Now come on RAB. We need M16Red's help. Otherwise, how else will we know if our opinions are correct or not?

I'm actually rather tickled by the idea that some of the posters on here can still be so certain that they are the experts and their opinion is definitely right.
I've gotta say, after backing us bringing in LVG, Mourinho and a fair few of the flops we've bought, I haven't the foggiest if my opinions are all shit or at best completely hit and miss, and I've played in the Conference, I have a gold season ticket, so I'm certainly not one of his lovely sounding "forum fans". My guess, I'm as clueless as 99.9% of people. There's a reason there are only a small handful of top football managers in the World.

 

[Mainoldo]

I'm actually rather tickled by the idea that some of the posters on here can still be so certain that they are the experts and their opinion is definitely right.
I've gotta say, after backing us bringing in LVG, Mourinho and a fair few of the flops we've bought, I haven't the foggiest if my opinions are all shit or at best completely hit and miss, and I've played in the Conference, I have a gold season ticket, so I'm certainly not one of his lovely sounding "forum fans". My guess, I'm as clueless as 99.9% of people. There's a reason there are only a small handful of top football managers in the World.

Yo why you so touched...

 

[ivaldo]

I'm actually rather tickled by the idea that some of the posters on here can still be so certain that they are the experts and their opinion is definitely right.
I've gotta say, after backing us bringing in LVG, Mourinho and a fair few of the flops we've bought, I haven't the foggiest if my opinions are all shit or at best completely hit and miss, and I've played in the Conference, I have a gold season ticket, so I'm certainly not one of his lovely sounding "forum fans". My guess, I'm as clueless as 99.9% of people. There's a reason there are only a small handful of top football managers in the World.

^ Right on cue!

 

[Red_Jamie]

Can we now say that Ole has been sufficiently backed and with the addition of Fernandes the midfield isn't a weak point and he needs to deliver now?

No. Obviously.

Our midfield was thin last season. Since then we’ve lost Herrera and Fellaini from the first team and Pogba might as well not play for us.

We’ve had a mass clear out and massively reduced the wage bill. Ole now needs to be backed in the market to build his vision and create the squad depth required to challenge on several fronts.

 

[spiriticon]

I think all our managers have been backed, personally.

Woody has has made mistakes, but I don't think he's ever not backed a manager.

 

[He'sRaldo]

Nothing seems to have significantly changed since Buvac's and Arteta's departures though. Not familiar with the other two.

From what I've gathered, Ljinders essentially replaced Buvac and as a consequence, Liverpool's positional play improved by a lot. Ljinders is a disciple of Prof. Frade, who was essential in creating very good Portuguese coaches like Mourinho and Villas-Boas.

Klopp credits Buvac as "the Brain" and Kraweits as "the Eye" behind his operation, while he's the heart. You can infer what they do and how important it is, although IMO the manager is always the most important piece of any coaching team.

 

[Adnan]

No. Obviously.

Our midfield was thin last season. Since then we’ve lost Herrera and Fellaini from the first team and Pogba might as well not play for us.

We’ve had a mass clear out and massively reduced the wage bill. Ole now needs to be backed in the market to build his vision and create the squad depth required to challenge on several fronts.

He has spent over £200m and there should be a certain expectation from him now.

You're talking of backing that would see us having a expectation to challenge for the league. What I'm saying is that with the squad we have, a top 4 spot should be possible with our current squad. Or is it unreasonable to expect Ole to finish above Lampard and Chelsea?

 

[InspiRED]

Now come on RAB. We need M16Red's help. Otherwise, how else will we know if our opinions are correct or not?

Is there a way we can submit our posts to M16Red for pre approval before posting publicly? It would be great to know if you’re just being another FM/FIFA internet twit before publicly displaying such ignorance. I’m sure many would be grateful to have a true expert about to help us police our footballing views.

 

[Flexdegea]

De Gea - world class

AWB- claimed best defensive RB in the league

Maguire - 80m

Lindelof - Best CB last year

Shaw - he ain’t the best but he’s not as bad as Cancelo this season

Williams - Is he not better than Shaw currently?

Matic - League winner; experienced
Fred - Our best CM
Lingard - pants
Martial - Top quality

Greenwood - young superstar in the making.

I’m sorry. What was wrong with our team mate?

Actually find that abit disrespectful.

This is what wrong with the Cafe at the moment, one half saying we are crap and other claiming we are a lot lot better on paper and its the manager fault.


Insane you think that is a good team or close to our best team, without even comparing to city's team last night.

 

[Bilbo]

Deary me, this place has an incredible amount of moaners and cry babies. Just look at the team we had to put out yesterday and the one that city put out. How we managed to come out with a win is a miracle in itself.

Bit by bit, we are building a solid team and in time it'll show on the results. If we had our full strength team playing yesterday, then there is a more than decent chance we would be in the final.

Another thing to notice is how the players are giving it their absolute all for ole. Despite being knackered, they're putting in a solid shift. This is more than I could say of Jose, lvg or moyes.

Sacking him now will be devastating for team morale.

Just hope we somehow stumble onto the winter break in 5 th and manage to get our injured players back. That should put us in with a decent chance of the top 4 or the europa.

Good post

 

[Bilbo]

Can we now say that Ole has been sufficiently backed and with the addition of Fernandes the midfield isn't a weak point and he needs to deliver now?

No, and it's not about making excuses. It's about looking at what we have available to us right now and asking ourselves whether it's fair to expect consistency, and with the injuries we have I dont think it is.

The plan remains the same. Put the building blocks in place so that we can be a much better side next season. Fernandes will hopefully be an important part of that. Add another two in the summer and the squad is suddenly looking pretty decent. If all that goes as expected then as far as I'm concerned it's time to deliver consistently good football.

 

[Mainoldo]

No, and it's not about making excuses. It's about looking at what we have available to us right now and asking ourselves whether it's fair to expect consistency, and with the injuries we have I dont think it is.

The plan remains the same. Put the building blocks in place so that we can be a much better side next season. Fernandes will hopefully be an important part of that. Add another two in the summer and the squad is suddenly looking pretty decent. If all that goes as expected then as far as I'm concerned it's time to deliver consistently good football.

The fact that so many have the view of us needing a good set up players to play good football is hilarious. I look forward to seeing this out and reading the excuses for next season.

 

[Leftback99]

He now has a good defense and a good midfield on paper. Pogba, Fernandes, Fred, McTominay, are a very good group of players to have for most managers. I think it's fair to expect a top 4 finish with the squad we have.

I would say he has a squad now that should challenge Chelsea strongly for the top 4 spot.

Pogba and McTominay aren't available, we don't know how Fernandes is going to do and with no Rashford we have only have one semi reliable goalscorer. If you are expecting top 4 i think you will be disappointed, we simply aren't going to score enough goals.

 

[Adnan]

No, and it's not about making excuses. It's about looking at what we have available to us right now and asking ourselves whether it's fair to expect consistency, and with the injuries we have I dont think it is.

The plan remains the same. Put the building blocks in place so that we can be a much better side next season. Fernandes will hopefully be an important part of that. Add another two in the summer and the squad is suddenly looking pretty decent. If all that goes as expected then as far as I'm concerned it's time to deliver consistently good football.

If after spending £200m we still can't topple Chelsea (minus Hazard) then I don't believe Ole is the man for the job. You do understand that £200m is a huge amount of money? Then you say add another 2 players in the summer and we will look 'pretty decent' with over a £300m spend.

The building blocks maybe need to be put in place by someone with far more experience and ability. Because if you only expect us to be 'pretty decent' after spending in excess of £300m then your expectations are very low.

 

[Adnan]

Pogba and McTominay aren't available, we don't know how Fernandes is going to do and with no Rashford we have only have one semi reliable goalscorer. If you are expecting top 4 i think you will be disappointed, we simply aren't going to score enough goals.

Why are Pogba and McTominay not available? Is it because they were either rushed back too quickly or overplayed?

 

[M16Red]

So, your qualifications @M16Red are?

"I call them forum fans", have you any idea what an absolute arsewipe that makes you sound like? Do you do realsie it's possible for two fans to have completely different opinions and neither means one is more intelligent or clued in than the other? Just like myself and @ivaldo and our polar opposite views on Matic.

I don't care what you think of me, I have debates on here as as well, but it's been toxic for a long time. You called me a arse wipe just prove the point; no debate just 0 to 100 - normally I watch for your posts, I was merely pointing to the fact that polarised views on here are more of a playground debate than a pub one.

 

[Leftback99]

Why are Pogba and McTominay not available? Is it because they were either rushed back too quickly or overplayed?

Whether they were or not is irrelevant now. I just disagree that we should expect top 4 from 6 points behind, it's highly unlikely with what we have.

We could be 12 points behind in two games time with Fernandes barely kicking a ball for us, even if he turns out to be brilliant. I wouldn't bet on us beating Wolves with a depleted squad never mind Chelsea away.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

This is what wrong with the Cafe at the moment, one half saying we are crap and other claiming we are a lot lot better on paper and its the manager fault.


Insane you think that is a good team or close to our best team, without even comparing to city's team last night.

Nothing wrong with having different views. It is hard to know how much credit/blame should be given for the players compared to the manager.
What we do know was that we got second under Mourinho the season before, but Ole took over us during a Mourinho meltdown.
We have declined since then in terms of the results apart from a bright start under Ole for 2-3 months.
Poor recruitment could be a big factor for that and the owners/Ed could be blamed for that. Natural decline another due to age and form/confidence factors which you can give mixed blame for dealing with. Coaching and management as well and Ole will be blamed for that.

I think it is mainly the first and last one. We sold our best striker without replacement and invested in the wrong type of players for our needs in my opinion.
We reduced the squad size and does lack options in many areas.
Also the coaching doesn't seem to bring out the best from our players. Little improvement in collective performances in terms of breaking teams down.
We are also terrible at defending set pieces which is on the manager/coaching staff.

With Bruno we have finally added something we really needed. So hopefully that makes a difference even if we need more firepower up front too.

 

[Adamsk7]

If after spending £200m we still can't topple Chelsea (minus Hazard) then I don't believe Ole is the man for the job. You do understand that £200m is a huge amount of money? Then you say add another 2 players in the summer and we will look 'pretty decent' with over a £300m spend.

The building blocks maybe need to be put in place by someone with far more experience and ability. Because if you only expect us to be 'pretty decent' after spending in excess of £300m then your expectations are very low.

We’ve not spent £200m though

AWB - £45m
Maguire - £80m
James - £15m
Bruno - £47m
=£187m

take off what we got for Lukaku (lots of different fees about so I’ll be conservative) £58m
Darmian -£2m
Young - £1.3m
Smalling - £2m loan fee
Fellaini (almost forgot him) £6.5m
= £187m - £70m = £117m

during this time Ole has got rid of -

Fellaini
Darmian
Young
Smalling (loan)
Sanchez (loan)
Lukaku
Valencia
Rojo (loan)

So much deadwood! In fact most of the deadwood that was being talked about on this very forum.

Whilst I agree he’s been naive tactically at times, I can’t fault what he’s doing with the squad. Lowering our average age significantly, giving youth a chance and buying (imo) quite astutely and changing the types of characters we have. He’s even getting on Lingard’s back now and he has been the darling of both LVG and Mourinho before him. McTominay is a better player under him, Williams is developing rapidly, he moved Martial to his favoured position and Rashford is going to have his best season for numbers, even with a big injury!

Honestly, he’s not perfect but I think he is exactly what we need right now. Whether he can step up his tactical game to take us to the next level I don’t know but I am quietly confident that what he is doing is best for this club and he will either lead us to a brighter future or leave us with something that can be moulded in to something great.

 

[Cardozo]

This place is like the republicans and democrats over Ole. Can’t see the other side.

I hope over the season the freak losses where we’ve peppered the other team and lost like city did balance balance out and we finish with a decent run.

We have been absolutely decimated with injuries for large parts of this season meaning we’ve never had a consistent team like our competitors have.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I was merely pointing to the fact that polarised views on here are more of a playground debate than a pub one.

No you weren’t, you were saying that anyone who can’t see what you see is what you call a “forum fan”.

 

[M16Red]

Now come on RAB. We need M16Red's help. Otherwise, how else will we know if our opinions are correct or not?

Is there a way we can submit our posts to M16Red for pre approval before posting publicly? It would be great to know if you’re just being another FM/FIFA internet twit before publicly displaying such ignorance. I’m sure many would be grateful to have a true expert about to help us police our footballing views.

In no way I'm I saying that your a twat just because you play FIFA or FM, I played championship manager and football manager, all was alluding to was that just because cherno samba great player on FM or CM it seems to have cross over as if they are good in really life, like watching a YouTube video makes them good. I guess it's the modern way of looking at football.

I think maybe I could have put it better, maybe just this: You're all idiots and I am a god.

 

[M16Red]

No you weren’t, you were saying that anyone who can’t see what you see is a forum fan.

No that is how you read it. Actually what I meant was, I think that people forget that players are human and they are quick to bin them; for example Fred. Another example is people will be writing off James as crap or even Williams, yet forgetting that these guys are still at the start of there careers.

That's what I meant about the human condition - that is life.

But hey, I'm just an arse wipe.

Here's a question:
Andy Cole will be classed as a legend, but if you watched I'm week on week out you'd remember he missed a lot of chances, now what would have happened if the internet or people where so quick to bin him? Would he be taken to pieces?

 

[ScarleyUtd]

Can we now say that Ole has been sufficiently backed and with the addition of Fernandes the midfield isn't a weak point and he needs to deliver now?

No that is how you read it. Actually what I meant was, I think that people forget that players are human and they are quick to bin them; for example Fred. Another example is people will be writing off James as crap or even Williams, yet forgetting that these guys are still at the start of there careers.

That's what I meant about the human condition - that is life.

But hey, I'm just an arse wipe.

Here's a question:
Andy Cole will be classed as a legend, but if you watched I'm week on week out you'd remember he missed a lot of chances, now what would have happened if the internet or people where so quick to bin him? Would the take be taken to pieces?

Yep. Does my head in how unrealistic some posters are on here. Fernandez hasn't been here five mins yet and already he needs to be the new Scholes.

 

[RedDevil@84]

He has spent over £200m and there should be a certain expectation from him now.

The cost of a transfer has nothing to do with Ole. He can only ask for players in a position. Cannot have a say on the competence/incompetence of the negotiation team that we have.

 

[Canagel]

Whether they were or not is irrelevant now. I just disagree that we should expect top 4 from 6 points behind, it's highly unlikely with what we have.

We could be 12 points behind in two games time with Fernandes barely kicking a ball for us, even if he turns out to be brilliant. I wouldn't bet on us beating Wolves with a depleted squad never mind Chelsea away.

The same Wolves this depleted squad beat a few weeks ago and will now have 1 possibly 2 new players added to it? We are not full strength yet but the squad we have is more than enough to reach the top 4 with good coaching.

 

[Leftback99]

The same Wolves this depleted squad beat a few weeks ago and will now have 1 possibly 2 new players added to it? We are not full strength yet but the squad we have is more than enough to reach the top 4 with good coaching.

The same depleted squad that lost to Burnley.

Chelsea (+6 points head start) , Spurs and Wolves would all say the same. We might finish top 4 but it's unlikely, not 'expected'.