People put far too much emphasis on a Sky Sports panel…why do you care so much what they say or don’t say.
Think for yourselves! who cares what the media says.
Think for yourselves! who cares what the media says.
Ole’s former team-mates who are now pundits refusing to call a spade a spade
- Thread starter Fortitude
- Start date
Literally can’t believe he’s still peddling the same old “van gaal and mourinho world class managers” bs
It's a total embarrassment to hear the mental contortions he has to employ to avoid saying what we all know he is thinking. I'd rather he just asked to not comment on United games for a while.
I'm not surprised you're going in to bat for him though, you know quite a lot about mental contortions when it comes to Ole yourself...
Weird that you find a fully grown man not saying his friend should be sacked embarrassing. Why does it bring you embarrassment? What are you embarrassed for? Who are you trying to appease? Opposition fans?It's a total embarrassment to hear the mental contortions he has to employ to avoid saying what we all know he is thinking. I'd rather he just asked to not comment on United games for a while.
I'm not surprised you're going in to bat for him though, you know quite a lot about mental contortions when it comes to Ole yourself...
No idea what you're talking about lad, I supported the manager until the expectation changed and it was clear he couldn't make the step up but sorry if I ever embarrassed you, it obviously affects you greatly.
Er, I'm not embarrassed - it''s embarrassing for Gary! Having to squirm under questioning from Kenny Dalglish's daughter on live telly, and making himself look a hypocrite is what's embarrassing.
I have literally no idea what the bit in bold means btw
Last edited:
You can simply ignore.
But no, you participated with nothing useful, making the thread grow further.
Congratulation's
Much like your reply, no?
No, the reply was necessary to make you think next time before posting.
Have a good day.
its a sad day when a Liverpool legend wants the good of our club more then a big chunk of our own legends.
He doesn't. He's on a wind up. He would never pass up this opportunity to stick the boot in where he can.
Imagine Neville as a doctor: there is no point getting the vaccine, people did it and still got Covid.
Are you sure about that? He seem to be quite honest and spot on tbh
Am I sure a Liverpool legend is loving every second of United being shit and won't miss the opportunity to wind the fans up where possible? Yes, I'm 100% sure he's poking the pig.
I hate Liverpool FC as the next guy but if someone asked me what was wrong about their club during their dark days then I would have given an honest answer. Why would I lie about that?
What many fail to understand is that these people are PAID, quite handsomely I must add, to give an honest opinion about football. Gaz is said to earn 1.2m a year from punditry. Thus if he's lying about Ole to protect their mate they are not only disrespecting their former employee, the club they say they love, but they are also giving a huge disservice to their present employee as well. Sky should sack Keane and Gaz as its evident that their loyalty towards Ole is bigger then their loyalty towards their job.
Did they? Genuine question.
If Neville would have called Ole out today, Carragher would have Tweeted something along the lines of "Now he's calling his mate to get sacked when last week it was the players fault!". Don't let these clowns fool you either way, their loving every minute of this. It's not about lying or telling the truth.
Sky won't care about Neville's reluctance to speak the words "Ole should be sacked". Despite him saying everything but those words, hammering the team and the setup over recent weeks, his stock couldn't be higher in regards to entertainment value, social media views, mentions etc. We've even got a thread about him not saying those words.
Saw Owen going mad about the tactics and lack of plan today.
I completely agree with this thread.
This may not be a major issue but is a problem nevertheless. These ex united boys laying into players while not saying much about the manager is not acceptable. Them and their outdated views make it harder for the club to modernize imo.
Don't disagree. But that conflict of interest should then lead to you recusing yourself from analysing/commenting on United. You can't use your United connections to get these jobs and then let it affect what should be objective analysis.
Owen's mates are horses, though.
To be fair, Neviile always blames the players and rarely puts blame on the manager. He was the same way with Mourinho and defended Wenger right up until he was fired...
They get paid big money to pundit games with a neautral unbias view point.
Nail on head.
It’s remarkable. With every single other club in world football, if the side is consistently underperforming as we have been then the manager takes the heat. Not to say that there aren’t other areas to take blame but the manager carries the responsibility.
Except us. Seemingly our continued deterioration into mediocrity is due to the players and in no way a primary issue linked to management / coaching.
Except us. Seemingly our continued deterioration into mediocrity is due to the players and in no way a primary issue linked to management / coaching.
Neville is basically playing a game of Taboo. His personal code is stopping him from using the word 'sack'. But he's pretty much slammed Ole as much as he can without breaking that code.
If you actually listen to him, Neville's been getting as close as possible to that limit without crossing over it: 'he's under massive massive pressure', 'not good enough', 'disorganised', 'wrong', 'it's his responsibility', 'flaky', 'got destroyed', 'it is getting so bad', 'Manchester United had no answers', 'it's a problem going out of the Carabao Cup', 'the players are entitled to think they should have a better idea of how to lay a glove on City', 'it's unacceptable'.
He also talks about being unhappy with Ole's tactics being wrong at the beginning of the game (the 5-3-2).
Short of using of one particular word that he's never used before in his entire punditry career, Neville is quite clearly hammering Ole. And make no mistake - by saying Ole is under huge pressure, Neville is himself piling on the pressure.
If you actually listen to him, Neville's been getting as close as possible to that limit without crossing over it: 'he's under massive massive pressure', 'not good enough', 'disorganised', 'wrong', 'it's his responsibility', 'flaky', 'got destroyed', 'it is getting so bad', 'Manchester United had no answers', 'it's a problem going out of the Carabao Cup', 'the players are entitled to think they should have a better idea of how to lay a glove on City', 'it's unacceptable'.
He also talks about being unhappy with Ole's tactics being wrong at the beginning of the game (the 5-3-2).
Short of using of one particular word that he's never used before in his entire punditry career, Neville is quite clearly hammering Ole. And make no mistake - by saying Ole is under huge pressure, Neville is himself piling on the pressure.
Neville has practically said a lot of the issues are coaching/manager based, without actually saying we should sack Ole. The main issue with Neville is, he thinks that because LVG and Mourinho didn't work, you shouldn't look for another person like them again. Carragher has called him out on that, and rightly so. Keane has pissed me off today. He constantly blames the players. He always does that, though. He obviously has high standards, and feels that players should be doing better, regardless of who your manager is.
Our support also blames the coaching staff a lot. Myself included. Even sometimes more than Ole. I don't think I have ever seen any other set of fans blame the coaching staff for their team's failure. The manager takes almost all of the blame.
Our support also blames the coaching staff a lot. Myself included. Even sometimes more than Ole. I don't think I have ever seen any other set of fans blame the coaching staff for their team's failure. The manager takes almost all of the blame.
Scholes basically said Ole’s had enough time to figure this out, suggested it’s time move on without actually saying it.
Keane has always done this. Does anybody remember him defending Mourinho and blaming the players after the loss at Anfield that got Mourinho sacked?
Scholes was pretty clear that ole isn't doing well enough, he seems to be the most level headed of all the ex united pundits and doesn't let nepotism get in the way of his analysis
Yeah. He said that the players threw Mourinho under the bus and they'll do the same to Ole. Keane always goes in hard on the players. Not just during United games. For other teams as well.
Do they though? I don't think there's a rule book on punditry and who wants neutrality anyway? We know they're not neutral so why prerend otherwise.
I don't quite get the strong feelings about this. It's just a couple of blokes opinions. Also Carragher and Richards would be doing exactly the same if their mate was in charge.
Neville had rings run around him by every pundit today given every argument he was offering was pure strawman. He wasn't answering the questions asked, and was deflecting away with irrelevant information. I was glad Kelly Cates called him out on it at one point as she gave the exact same response I was thinking of that's not the question.
Carragher doesn't care about Man Utd clearly, but it's all about his banter with Neville from his point of view. He thinks quite rightly everything he's said about Solskjaer has been vindicated, so is basically gloating as such, and pointing out the obvious lunacy of what Neville is saying.
Carragher doesn't care about Man Utd clearly, but it's all about his banter with Neville from his point of view. He thinks quite rightly everything he's said about Solskjaer has been vindicated, so is basically gloating as such, and pointing out the obvious lunacy of what Neville is saying.
Yep. I found one link on Twitter, but yeah, they were relentless for about 10 mins.
We all know why Neville sticks up for managers over players - he's been through it himself at Valencia.
One of these days one of our current players will speak up about the managerial nincompoops at the club. It's only a matter of time.
Take a guess who. I'm guessing Ronaldo or Pogba (once Ole leaves).
Scholes did say the manager is responsible for it too. I think he can't get himself to say Ole. He criticized the tactics and said it's the Manager's responsibility.
The only manager Keane blames for everything is SAF.
On a serious note people need to have some perspective. These people (Keane, Gaz, Souness) were once top top players. The Sky was the limit for them as trophies came to them left, right and center. Once they retired they believed that they could emulate that success as managers. Turned out that management was hard work, that success was dependent not only on how they acted but also on how their players acted. They failed massively in management and most put the blame not on themselves but on these 'spoiled' kids.
What I find hilarious is that probably SAF/Carlos Q felt the same while conducting the training camp in Vale do Lobo. Sir Alex was born during the war and he came from a tough and unforgiving environment. It must have been awkward for him to see his captain, a millionaire at this point, going into full meltdown and questioning his authority because of some air conditioning. As SAF wrote
“We had a real set-to. A proper argument. I told him he was out of order. ‘You’re the captain. You showed no responsibility to the other players. It was not as if we asked you to live in a hovel. These were nice houses. Good places. "
Spoiled players indeed.
Last edited:
Nah. If he's not fired in the next couple of days, expect mouths to open up and rightly so.