ash_86
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Left me in tears that one. Sad it didn't work out but the high's that Ole's team provided surpassed anyone after the great man comfortably. He'll always be a legend in my eyes.
It's not about him being bitter, it's about pride. He has no professional pride as a manager, and that is why he would even think of giving that interview instead of thinking of his next managerial job where he would try to prove his doubters wrong. But he has never wanted to be the best - that much has been clear from his 3 years here.Why is it embarrassing? He's been given a great opportunity by the club and has a connect with the fans. There's no reason for him to bitter.
I don't like the fact that he thinks it's all about friendship, being happy at work etc. It should really be all about trophies and excellence in your football. But I can't begrudge him wanting to speak to fans on the end of his tenure. It's perfectly fine.
I can't ever remember one. He truly loves the club. Watford was the first time he's received abuse from a section of the hardcore away support. It's no coincidence he's now stepped down. I think he accepted that the situation couldn't continue anymore.When has this ever happened before, manager told to leave and then does parting interview officially for club?
Fair play to him though, many managers tend to take digs when they leave a club.
Yes you would have loved that drama too I bet.Yep they should have had the interviewer, camerman and lighting guys out prowling the streets looking for football managers.
Yep they should have had the interviewer, camerman and lighting guys out prowling the streets looking for football managers.
Good post.
If there's one thing the Utd leadership seems to have visibly learned from this whole Ole experiment, it's that nostalgia + PR is a potent weapon against the fans. One which, under Ole, they've wielded to excellent effect.
Yeah, because Ole just won us the quadruple last season. Some of you saps are what's wrong with our fanbase. The guy was a fantastic player for us, and his contribution was punctuated by THAT goal.Our online fanbase is genuinely pathetic, as evidenced by some of the posts in this thread. Undeserving of success.
He is also, of course very invested in preserving his legacy. Probably the main reason he agreed to the interview.Man really said "step aside", like it was a mutual consent thing. you were sacked mate.
League finish isn't much of an indicator of progress if we haven't improved the way we play as a team - we were bailed out more often than not by individual brilliances from Bruno. It also helps that our rivals had their own problems to contend with as with the case of last season.How fecking stupid do you need to be to not see 6th, 3rd, 2nd as a sign of progress?
These people are just buying into the narrative the club wants to set, whereas in the real world and at a proper club, he would have been sacked ages ago.It's possible to cherish memories of him as a player and think this whole 'People's Princess' routine is a bit daft. At this rate I'm half expected him to lie in state at half time during the next home match. I'm sure it's sad for him but he wasn't good enough. He worked under a manager who got rid of players regularly who loved the club every bit as much for the same reasons. None of them got an emotional goodbye interview. I'm not saying I'm against it but don't understand the 'how dare you!' outrage directed towards people who think it's all a bit daft
League finish isn't much of an indicator of progress if we haven't improved the way we play as a team - we were bailed out more often than not by individual brilliances from Bruno. It also helps that our rivals had their own problems to contend with as with the case of last season.
Of course hindsight is 20/20, but you would think a club like United can see that. It's also why the board is being seen as incompetent.
How fecking stupid do you need to be to not see 6th, 3rd, 2nd as a sign of progress?
Last I checked, we were in 8th position with a trajectory of finishing worse than that. That is certainly not a sign of progress, its regression.League finish isn't much of an indicator of progress if we haven't improved the way we play as a team - we were bailed out more often than not by individual brilliances from Bruno. It also helps that our rivals had their own problems to contend with as with the case of last season.
Of course hindsight is 20/20, but you would think a club like United can see that. It's also why the board is being seen as incompetent.
Again looking back at it retroactively we were saved by so much individual brilliance and relying on moments and passion, that we were lucky to even finish with even 74 points. At the end of last season I was still blind to hoping a club legend would succeed as a manager that I ignored what really was going on.Maybe it wasn't the biggest points difference there's ever been but in terms of quality of each teams comparatively and individually, I struggle to think of a worst team that's finished second in that league.
I know it's fantasy land stuff but put that team against any other team who's finished second in the same league in recent years and I think we'd come out losers every single time. Convincingly too.
If We won because of individual brilliance then We lost by individual misstakes. You can’t have it both ways.Again looking back at it retroactively we were saved by so much individual brilliance and relying on moments and passion, that we were lucky to even finish with even 74 points. At the end of last season I was still blind to hoping a club legend would succeed as a manager that I ignored what really was going on.
So it was natural that once the tide really turned against us and we didn't have momentum on our side we would crash and burn like we did in the last month.
I disagree. We've had systemic defensive failure for well over a year now - that is not down to individual mistakes.If We won because of individual brilliance then We lost by individual misstakes. You can’t have it both ways.
Actually, without individual brilliance No big manager would be big.
I think they will, he said see you soon. But I think they want to install the new manager first.
The fallout from certain fans would be too much. Honestly think its going to be Poch and Ole working together with Ole in a Director position next year.
Both of those statements can be true at the same time, as it is the case here.If We won because of individual brilliance then We lost by individual misstakes. You can’t have it both ways.
Actually, without individual brilliance No big manager would be big.
Do fans generally agree that he has left the club in a better position than when he took over?
If We won because of individual brilliance then We lost by individual misstakes. You can’t have it both ways.
Actually, without individual brilliance No big manager would be big.
Man feck you all for complaining. He is an amazing guy, a club legend and he gave the job his absolute best.
One thing I will forever appreciate was that it was never what's good for Ole the manager, it was always what's good for Man Utd in the long term and I very strongly believe he left the club and the squad in a better place than he found it.
Good luck Ole and I hope we see you back in the PL!
He was not good enough. No debate. But he gave everything he had to a club he so clearly loves. He did not articulate himself well but he obviously means United is a family and it’s the bonds that are just as important as everything else. But yes, it’s a cult to you. And you get the club much better than he does.What a cult. He was nothing special.
People have treated him appallingly.
He was not good enough. No debate. But he gave everything he had to a club he so clearly loves. He did not articulate himself well but he obviously means United is a family and it’s the bonds that are just as important as everything else. But yes, it’s a cult to you. And you get the club much better than he does.
Most likely they are failures themselves in real life so in this twisted mentality they associate United success to that of their own so they hold United to standard they themselves can’t achieve in real life.As touched on in another thread, we have a segment of fans who are the very opposite of RAWKish - but not in a good way (even though they probably think so themselves). They seem to think that having a "ruthless" mentality makes sense for fans - which is bizarre to say the least.
As you say, it's baffling. I don't understand what it is they get out of the whole...experience.
Incessant moaning unless everything is 100% perfect - either overt whining or (which is even more irritating) passive aggressive sulking.
Or what we're seeing plenty of today - mocking other fans for being sentimental, irrational or - God forbid - romantic.
'Cause spending a ridiculous amount of time (and/or money) on what is essentially an entirely pointless, frivolous pursuit should never be about romanticism - or about anything other than...ambition. I swear, some of these characters genuinely believe they're doing us all a favour by upholding some kind of imaginary "standard" (as though they were out there on the pitch themselves).
It's an odd mixture of anti-sentimentality (utterly misplaced) and extreme delusion (they actually believe other fans, who don't share their joyless stance, are harmful - again, as if these too were performing on the pitch or otherwise had a direct impact on the fortunes of the club).
In short, I don't understand them at all - but then I'm sure they don't understand me either.
I especially love this line of argument given that it effectively slaps itself in the face.If We won because of individual brilliance then We lost by individual misstakes. You can’t have it both ways.
So we should hold one of the biggest and richest football clubs on the planet to the same standards as common redcafe folk!Most likely they are failures themselves in real life so in this twisted mentality they associate United success to that of their own so they hold United to standard they themselves can’t achieve in real life.
In short, glory hunters.
This. If anyone bother to read Fergie’s autobiography he touched this subject. Ole is too much of a nice guy to be successful here.I can see why he wasn’t successful if he thought making friends was an important thing. Fergie would’ve never been successful if that was his mindset.
His demeanor as our manager has soured him in my eyes. The ultimate nail in the coffin was taking a break in the middle of club crisis. Shows me that he doesnt give a feck. Another thing that soured me that came out today is the board gave him full support to get the best coaching staff available and he declined that because he believes his mates are the best. Cronyism at the best he would rather gave his mates cushy job with big salaries rather than improving the team.Did he?
A truly committed manager would acknowledge his inexperience and surround himself with experienced coaches rather then his inexperienced mates. When shit hit fan he would get involved in training and coaching. Our manager went on a holiday in the middle of a crisis and expected that everything would just sort out for the Watford game instead.
I love Ole. His goal in the treble is probably the happiest moment I had in football and a highlight to a not a very nice period of my life. He will always be a club legend and the best example of what a model player should be. However his actions as manager is hardly the ones shown by a person committed to the job.
That would be carnage.Can you imagine Jose having a post-sacking interview?