RedRonaldo
Wishes to be oppressed.
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Hopefully watching Man Utd start to play football, perhaps.How will you and many others fill your time now that he’s gone?
Hopefully watching Man Utd start to play football, perhaps.How will you and many others fill your time now that he’s gone?
I think he wanted to do it. All the recent interviews have been a tough watch but he never shied away. He just wanted to say his peace and leave out the front door. What you see is what you get with Ole. Like he said, he won’t be doing interviews and I would not want to see any others after that one.I don't want to be too cynical and this was maybe a nice idea, but this interview doesn't land for me. Feels strange to put out an interview from an outgoing manager.
You support Spurs mate, it's pretty obvious you'd have no relatable experience of having a club legend who'd actually won something with this club wanting to sign off with fans in his own words and on his own terms.Bizarre to see an interview from a sacked manager like this - I think this is the biggest problem your club needs to overcome - nostalgia and trying to recreate the past is getting you absolutely nowhere.
They should have offered him a director role as soon as his interim manager role was over. Maybe we can do that with Phelan
As touched on in another thread, we have a segment of fans who are the very opposite of RAWKish - but not in a good way (even though they probably think so themselves). They seem to think that having a "ruthless" mentality makes sense for fans - which is bizarre to say the least.
As you say, it's baffling. I don't understand what it is they get out of the whole...experience.
Incessant moaning unless everything is 100% perfect - either overt whining or (which is even more irritating) passive aggressive sulking.
Or what we're seeing plenty of today - mocking other fans for being sentimental, irrational or - God forbid - romantic.
'Cause spending a ridiculous amount of time (and/or money) on what is essentially an entirely pointless, frivolous pursuit should never be about romanticism - or about anything other than...ambition. I swear, some of these characters genuinely believe they're doing us all a favour by upholding some kind of imaginary "standard" (as though they were out there on the pitch themselves).
It's an odd mixture of anti-sentimentality (utterly misplaced) and extreme delusion (they actually believe other fans, who don't share their joyless stance, are harmful - again, as if these too were performing on the pitch or otherwise had a direct impact on the fortunes of the club).
In short, I don't understand them at all - but then I'm sure they don't understand me either.
I don't see a problem with such an interview. Nice bit of closure and leaves on good terms. No point in being bitter about it not working out, it isn't personal.
Also why are people making out that he was forced to do it by the club? He's no longer employed at this point and isn't even wearing the club crest or branding. He literally says in the first few sentences that he wanted to do it to clear the air, and so journalists don't write a load of rubbish; and he won't be doing any other interviews.
God help the next manager with our fans
As touched on in another thread, we have a segment of fans who are the very opposite of RAWKish - but not in a good way (even though they probably think so themselves). They seem to think that having a "ruthless" mentality makes sense for fans - which is bizarre to say the least.
As you say, it's baffling. I don't understand what it is they get out of the whole...experience.
Incessant moaning unless everything is 100% perfect - either overt whining or (which is even more irritating) passive aggressive sulking.
Or what we're seeing plenty of today - mocking other fans for being sentimental, irrational or - God forbid - romantic.
'Cause spending a ridiculous amount of time (and/or money) on what is essentially an entirely pointless, frivolous pursuit should never be about romanticism - or about anything other than...ambition. I swear, some of these characters genuinely believe they're doing us all a favour by upholding some kind of imaginary "standard" (as though they were out there on the pitch themselves).
It's an odd mixture of anti-sentimentality (utterly misplaced) and extreme delusion (they actually believe other fans, who don't share their joyless stance, are harmful - again, as if these too were performing on the pitch or otherwise had a direct impact on the fortunes of the club).
In short, I don't understand them at all - but then I'm sure they don't understand me either.
He actually said it at the beginning that it was his choice. That he has no intentions of entertaining any journos chasing him around, so he wanted to speak 1 time now, to the fans, then leave through the front door.who says? The United PR machine?
Good post.He's certainly been brilliant at saying just what the fans want to hear in his 3 years. He's got grown men crying and top reds offering to fight 'plastics' in this thread alone.
Club PR have played a blinder again. Instead of people questioning how the board came to give such a mediocre manager 2(!) contracts everyone is now acting like he was giving up his time for free, and you'd think he'd pulled the club out of its darkest time since Munich to read some of the revisionism (just as a reminder we finished 2nd just 6 months before he was appointed...)
The cult of personality has become all consuming and were it any other club we'd be pissing ourselves.
He said at the beginning that he wanted to speak one time now, to preempt any journo's chasing him around like what usually happens, and that he wanted to leave through the front door.Couldn't this have been done after he's had time to soak in that he's been sacked ? If he did this interview next week he wouldn't have been emotionally shot.
Journalists will still hound him and he could have still left through the front door and done this interview after a few days either in person or online from norway.He said at the beginning that he wanted to speak one time now, to preempt any journo's chasing him around like what usually happens, and that he wanted to leave through the front door.
The only reason Ole championed those "human qualities" above winning was because he wasn't good enough. If he was successful then he would emphasize his success as the most important thing.After watching the whole thing, I think Ole comes out of it very well.
He's a human being with interests that transcend money, status, and omg my team not winningest. We all want the team to do well, and Ole would make himself the main cheerleader. Sadly, he wasn't good enough and we are where we are
Ole is one of United's treasures. He should be remembered as such. All the juvenile and disrespectful posts I've seen on this forum make me think Utd fans are outnumbered here by oppo sleeper cells.
If half the people on the Caf displayed the same human qualities as Ole, the world might be a better place.
Why not? Conte did it, Tuchel did it, and we finished 2nd the season before. No reason why we couldn't have that expectation.When Ole took over we were worried about top four never mind winning premier leagues, this season, yes, we have the squad to challenge (that he built) and he’s failed this season, it’s the first season his momentum went backwards and he’s gone, so what’s wrong with that?
People talk as though we should have leapfrogged two of the best teams in Europe with the two best managers on planet Earth immediately upon his arrival.
Realistic fans didn’t expect it in his first or second season, third season yes, he hasn’t and he’s gone.
You support Spurs mate, it's pretty obvious you'd have no relatable experience of having a club legend who'd actually won something with this club wanting to sign off with fans in his own words and on his own terms.
About 5 minutes ago your club captain was telling Gary Neville on Sky he wanted out.
Why is it embarrassing? He's been given a great opportunity by the club and has a connect with the fans. There's no reason for him to bitter.Embarrassing
You can see in that interview why he failed. The job is too big for him. Can you imagine any other big manager in the world agreeing to do this after being fired?
Can you imagine Jose having a post-sacking interview?
With all the work we needed to do to steady the ship? Nonsense.Why not? Conte did it, Tuchel did it, and we finished 2nd the season before. No reason why we couldn't have that expectation.
Yeah that's true. Guess he just wanted it to be as dignified as possible.Journalists will still hound him and he could have still left through the front door and done this interview after a few days either in person or online from norway.
Perfectly put. Should be pinned on every page.As touched on in another thread, we have a segment of fans who are the very opposite of RAWKish - but not in a good way (even though they probably think so themselves). They seem to think that having a "ruthless" mentality makes sense for fans - which is bizarre to say the least.
As you say, it's baffling. I don't understand what it is they get out of the whole...experience.
Incessant moaning unless everything is 100% perfect - either overt whining or (which is even more irritating) passive aggressive sulking.
Or what we're seeing plenty of today - mocking other fans for being sentimental, irrational or - God forbid - romantic.
'Cause spending a ridiculous amount of time (and/or money) on what is essentially an entirely pointless, frivolous pursuit should never be about romanticism - or about anything other than...ambition. I swear, some of these characters genuinely believe they're doing us all a favour by upholding some kind of imaginary "standard" (as though they were out there on the pitch themselves).
It's an odd mixture of anti-sentimentality (utterly misplaced) and extreme delusion (they actually believe other fans, who don't share their joyless stance, are harmful - again, as if these too were performing on the pitch or otherwise had a direct impact on the fortunes of the club).
In short, I don't understand them at all - but then I'm sure they don't understand me either.
The reason why nobody ever expected Ole to challenge for leagues after Jose, and @He'sRaldo is alluding to, is that he was forever a caretaker manager in fans eyes, so the expectations were never there from day one.With all the work we needed to do to steady the ship? Nonsense.
We had tonnes of deadwood to shift for a start and it was a shockingly bad atmosphere around the squad and the club in general.
Nobody here was expecting a league win in Ole’s first season.
How fecking stupid do you need to be to not see 6th, 3rd, 2nd as a sign of progress?I don't know how he was allowed to be in this club for over 3 years with no signs of progress and trophies to show for it.
That said it's ultimately not his fault that he was kept on for this long - I still have a level of sympathy because he clearly tried to make it work and wasn't a toxic shitbag as he left like Jose.