Old Trafford revamp/could be torn down and rebuilt according to Glazer plans

[sparx99]

Honestly, I think we would fill 100,000 pretty easily for the vast majority of games.

I very rarely go to OT anymore but would go pretty regularly if I could just go online and buy a ticket for the odd game.

This is definitely the case. With the whole way the ticketing system works, it has relied on having the money in the summer to buy tickets ahead for the whole season. If you want to spontaneously go it's very difficult or there is a game with less demand.

Also, people with families who can't commit to season tickets or whatever find it very tricky to get 3-4 tickets for the one game a year they could go to.

 

[Ottawa MLS Fan]

Not really. If they take a stand down and rebuild it they said the team would just play with a reduced capacity of 50k for a season. That's what they want, more space for boxes and an increased attendance. The rest of the revamp would be cosmetic.

I work in the trades in the States and the Cubs redid Wrigley Field in about 6 months. Granted those last 2 months were pretty dicey and there were still a lot of things to be done behind the scenes but that work can get done quickly.

A reduced capacity of 50k for a season isn’t too bad, but there are four stands to do over 4-8 years and only one of them is likely to bring any significant increase in capacity. Tickets are going to be in really short supply for a decade.

 

[romufc]

This is definitely the case. With the whole way the ticketing system works, it has relied on having the money in the summer to buy tickets ahead for the whole season. If you want to spontaneously go it's very difficult or there is a game with less demand.

Also, people with families who can't commit to season tickets or whatever find it very tricky to get 3-4 tickets for the one game a year they could go to.

I also read today that there is a waiting list of 150,00 for season tickets, so there is clearly a massive demand for Manutd tickets.

 

[sglowrider]

By which time the first part of the revamp will probably need revamping again.

10 years? It would be the equivalent of the launch of iPhone 4 to iPhone 12 during that period.

 

[Hughes35]

This is definitely the case. With the whole way the ticketing system works, it has relied on having the money in the summer to buy tickets ahead for the whole season. If you want to spontaneously go it's very difficult or there is a game with less demand.

Also, people with families who can't commit to season tickets or whatever find it very tricky to get 3-4 tickets for the one game a year they could go to.

Yep exactly. I do things on a lot of Saturdays / Sundays. I usually have time to watch the game on TV, but not often time to travel....... It would be amazing to be able to more easily get tickets to games when I do have the time to get to Old Trafford.

 

[Herman Toothrot]

Actually, 6 years seems quick based on the timescales of other major builds, but that may just be build time (ie not including the planning/tendering phase).

From announcement to opening - Wembley Stadium (9 years), Tottenham Hotspur Stadium (11 years), Emirates Stadium (9 years). Everton's new stadium was announced in January 2017 and is due to open in August 2024.

If new owners decided to go down the brand new stadium route, I'd be surprised if United were playing in it much before 2030.

Just so we have an understanding of how things are done in Manchester, The Factory was announced in 2014 with an estimated cost of £110m and was due to open in 2019. It will finally open this summer at a cost of £211m.

 

[Revaulx]

Warning: anyone claiming to be ITK, or even just speculating, about plans for Old Trafford that extend beyond the current footprint can be safely ignored if they fail to mention the cost of relocating the Freightliner Terminal.

I’ve yet to see any of the self-proclaimed experts even mention its existence.

 

[Plant0x84]

Good to hear - but why so long? The UK is so slow and crap at this kind of project.

 

[Green Arrow]

Good to hear - but why so long? The UK is so slow and crap at this kind of project.

Whoever takes over I don't think anything will happen in year 1, year 2 will be about getting planning permission, year 3 might be getting the work started, year 4 the surrounding area will need to be upgraded (Roads etc) and then year 5/6 getting it all completed.

 

[Hal9000]

Good to hear - but why so long? The UK is so slow and crap at this kind of project.

Really depends on what they have planned, but Spurs, Wembley and London Stadium all took 3/4 years to build. I'm guessing planning and getting permission, the removal of buildings and infastructure on the land we're building on would also be added into that time (which also includes removal of existing tenants)

 

[Plant0x84]

Whoever takes over I don't think anything will happen in year 1, year 2 will be about getting planning permission, year 3 might be getting the work started, year 4 the surrounding area will need to be upgraded (Roads etc) and then year 5/6 getting it all completed.

Really depends on what they have planned, but Spurs, Wembley and London Stadium all took 3/4 years to build. I'm guessing planning and getting permission, the removal of buildings and infastructure on the land we're building on would also be added into that time (which also includes removal of existing tenants)

This is what I mean. Unnecessary bureaucracy absolutely slowing things down.
I used to work opening new businesses for a franchise, and once we needed a new gas meter fitted as the one installed was domestic and unsuitable. The work necessitated the road being coned off and temporary traffic lights installed to replace a crossing outside the premises. To do this we needed separate agencies to shut off the traffic lights, erect temporary 2-way lights, cone the road and erected signage, and then a fitter to turn off the gas and another to install the meter. That’s 5 groups to coordinate to do one job which in the end took a hour or two. An that’s after getting all the necessary permissions and permits.
We really have a backwards approach to these things, especially when you’d expect a boost to the local economy and gentrification of the area as a result of this work. It’s crazy.

 

[Green Arrow]

This is what I mean. Unnecessary bureaucracy absolutely slowing things down.
I used to work opening new businesses for a franchise, and once we needed a new gas meter fitted as the one installed was domestic and unsuitable. The work necessitated the road being coned off and temporary traffic lights installed to replace a crossing outside the premises. To do this we needed separate agencies to shut off the traffic lights, erect temporary 2-way lights, cone the road and erected signage, and then a fitter to turn off the gas and another to install the meter. That’s 5 groups to coordinate to do one job which in the end took a hour or two. An that’s after getting all the necessary permissions and permits.
We really have a backwards approach to these things, especially when you’d expect a boost to the local economy and gentrification of the area as a result of this work. It’s crazy.

Didn't realise that there was so much unnecessary bureaucracy to get a new meter fitted. However I suppose the rules are there for keeping people in check and from cutting corners so doing that kind of work (Stadium building/renovation) you have no choice but to go down the unnecessary bureaucracy route, too many agencies will need to be consulted and will take time to get through it.

 

[Dan_F]

Good to hear - but why so long? The UK is so slow and crap at this kind of project.

Those pesky safety regulations. Maybe the new owners can have a word.

 

[Spoony]

Apparently the three ideas floated are - rotating the pitch, a new stadium a few yards away and the one I like...adding a third tier on to the Stretford End and K Stand whilst knocking down the South.

 

[Spoony]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/man-united-old-trafford-plans-26585627

 

[Plant0x84]

Those pesky safety regulations. Maybe the new owners can have a word.

Need to get some expendable migrants on the job.

 

[Spoony]

I'm not sure how they could afford the capacity to go down to 52K for the best part of a decade, though. Only the Qataris....sorry Jassim could afford that. @Brophs.

 

[Amir]

United withdrew Old Trafford as a possible host for Euro 2028 because of the question mark over the timing of redevelopment once a takeover is complete. As things stand, City's stadium was favoured because it's more modern, even though much smaller.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/etihad-stadium-favoured-over-old-trafford-for-euro-2028-fgxhjs5tx

 

[Member 123428]

United withdrew Old Trafford as a possible host for Euro 2028 because of the question mark over the timing of redevelopment once a takeover is complete. As things stand, City's stadium was favoured because it's more modern, even though much smaller.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/etihad-stadium-favoured-over-old-trafford-for-euro-2028-fgxhjs5tx

We all know it’s too embarrassing and decrepit to allow fans from over the world to associate it with the country.

OT is currently a giant metaphor for Brexit Britain. The stadium for the biggest club in the UK is falling apart at the seams and is rat infested but seen as some sort of bastion of pride due to nostalgia.

 

[pascell]

We all know it’s too embarrassing and decrepit to allow fans from over the world to associate it with the country.

OT is currently a giant metaphor for Brexit Britain. The stadium for the biggest club in the UK is falling apart at the seams and is rat infested but seen as some sort of bastion of pride due to nostalgia.

None of this happened.

 

[redcucumber]

We all know it’s too embarrassing and decrepit to allow fans from over the world to associate it with the country.

OT is currently a giant metaphor for Brexit Britain. The stadium for the biggest club in the UK is falling apart at the seams and is rat infested but seen as some sort of bastion of pride due to nostalgia.

Can't tell if this is satire. If it is, nice one! If not, get fecked!

 

[Valencia's Left Foot]

We all know it’s too embarrassing and decrepit to allow fans from over the world to associate it with the country.

OT is currently a giant metaphor for Brexit Britain. The stadium for the biggest club in the UK is falling apart at the seams and is rat infested but seen as some sort of bastion of pride due to nostalgia.

Nah man, this ain't it.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

We all know it’s too embarrassing and decrepit to allow fans from over the world to associate it with the country.

OT is currently a giant metaphor for Brexit Britain. The stadium for the biggest club in the UK is falling apart at the seams and is rat infested but seen as some sort of bastion of pride due to nostalgia.

Dafuq are you talking about?

If any major European competition was going to take place in Spain while the Bernabeu is in the currently massive construction work, they would have it. The FA is using poor excuses to force people to pay more money per ticket.

 

[sglowrider]

Inside the former Premier League stadium converted into stunning flats worth almost half a BILLION pounds

 

[JB7]

Weird bump, hardly news that Highbury was converted into flats.

 

[cheekybackheel]

Like a lot of supporters I couldn't get to every home game because of commitments elsewhere, so would love to be able to pick the odd games throughout a season to take my boy too. But it's virtually impossible, tickets are so hard to get.
If Utd built a new stadium and/or redeveloped Old Trafford to 100k, I would snap tickets up on a more regular basis.

Kills me that I still haven't been able to take my lad to Old Trafford yet to watch Utd (we've seen them away at places like Spurs)

 

[tentan]

Has to be done and like this.

 

[Coops73]

Has to be done and like this.

Does United own the freight terminal to do that?

 

[stw2022]

Has to be done and like this.

What would that smaller stadium be used for? Practicing placing a ball on the corner quadrant? It's tiny

 

[decorativeed]

Has to be done and like this.

So the new stadium would be the exact size the current one is and the smaller one is less than the size of the pitch? Great plan.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Taking away some of that parking isn't ideal either, unless multi-storey parking is replacing it and then you've only really got N4, on the other side of that annoying dual carriageway, which is big enough for that. But that poses two issues;

1) don't folk use the N4 land for cargo storage from time to time?
2) you'd have to go East when you leave, and that's already a fecking nightmare at the junction let alone with even more cars. Didn't really appreciate how shit it was until recently as haven't had to park there before and can usually turn West.

 

[Pexbo]

So the new stadium would be the exact size the current one is and the smaller one is less than the size of the pitch? Great plan.

Same footprint does not mean same size tbf.

 

[decorativeed]

Same footprint does not mean same size tbf.

True, but if we addressed the leg room issue and increased capacity, it'd have to have a larger footprint or be twice as tall as it is now.

 

[tentan]

Does United own the freight terminal to do that?

Think they own everything around the stadium

 

[SAF is the GOAT]

 

[hp88]

Seeing Old Trafford under the sun the last few games and you remember how special this place is. It's beaten up not to point where you need to tear it down, I think if you start the refurb from the inside with the concourse and work your way to the exterior they can probably do it within a couple years.

 

[Lord Zlatan]

Did the stadium tour yesterday {again}. Yes it’s old but it’s magnificent at the same time. The sense of history is everywhere you look. My view is that it should be refurbed and maybe south stand rebuilt/extended. I hear some complain about modern facilities such as Wi-Fi but why would you care about that? It’s great to get away from all that and soak up the atmosphere for a few hours. The decay of Old Trafford is overblown imo. It’s a proper football stadium

 

[Coops73]

Is the stadium open 7 days a week? i.e. for tours/store etc?

 

[Lord Zlatan]

Is the stadium open 7 days a week? i.e. for tours/store etc?

Not match days

 

[Wumminator]

Did the stadium tour yesterday {again}. Yes it’s old but it’s magnificent at the same time. The sense of history is everywhere you look. My view is that it should be refurbed and maybe south stand rebuilt/extended. I hear some complain about modern facilities such as Wi-Fi but why would you care about that? It’s great to get away from all that and soak up the atmosphere for a few hours. The decay of Old Trafford is overblown imo. It’s a proper football stadium

I think it’s safe to say the majority of people who criticise it haven’t been or don’t go regularly.