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What's the latest with this shit show? I'm out of the loop. Anyone got a TL;DR?
Barcelona on the counter attack. An article came out accusing Tebas of making false accusations against Barcelona directors.What's the latest with this shit show? I'm out of the loop. Anyone got a TL;DR?
What's the latest with this shit show? I'm out of the loop. Anyone got a TL;DR?
Basically in the process of gathering evidence, a handwritten note addressed to two people but not mentioning surnames was discovered. Because those first name addressees corresponded to influential people at Barcelona, it was submitted to the prosecution by Tebas and La Liga so as to be evaluated for relevance. According to recent reports, it turns out this note was innocuous - but Barca and their flock of sheep have apparently seized on this completely normal approach to a criminal prosecution to claim that they are the real victims here and that the system is biased against them.
It's classic whataboutism / distracting bullshit - obviously many possibly relevant documents were evaluated for relevance. It's much ado about nothing to try to distract from the fact that they paid the guy who was involved in evaluating referees and had direct input into which referees maintained their position in the top flight or were graded poorly and given lower league fixtures.
A masterclass of telling wrong information, missing relevant data and making assumptions that, at the very least, are contested.
Congratulations man, that's a good achievement for such a short message.
Nope, everything I've said is 100% accurate - which is the only "relevant data" that I care about!
Or wait sorry - are you going to cry about the league titles you didn't win because the no-good, awful, horrible, naughty league boss had it out for you?
Basically in the process of gathering evidence, a handwritten note addressed to two people but not mentioning surnames was discovered. Because those first name addressees corresponded to influential people at Barcelona, it was submitted to the prosecution by Tebas and La Liga so as to be evaluated for relevance. According to recent reports, it turns out this note was innocuous - but Barca and their flock of sheep have apparently seized on this completely normal approach to a criminal prosecution to claim that they are the real victims here and that the system is biased against them.
It's classic whataboutism / distracting bullshit - obviously many possibly relevant documents were evaluated for relevance. It's much ado about nothing to try to distract from the fact that they paid the guy who was involved in evaluating referees and had direct input into which referees maintained their position in the top flight or were graded poorly and given lower league fixtures.
Yes Tebas is a clown (hardly news) but more importantly who did Barcelona pay today?Given the seriousness of the information that appeared today, Monday, in which the president of LaLiga, Javier Tebas, is linked as an executor in the presentation of false evidence to the Prosecutor's Office to incriminate our Club, FC Barcelona wants to express its deep anger, indignation and tiredness.
For this reason, we urgently require the president of LaLiga to appear publicly to offer explanations, beyond the tweet sent early in the morning by Mr. Tebes, fleeing from study and with a threatening patina.
FC Barcelona, as President Joan Laporta has been saying in recent weeks, feels the victim of a media lynching for events that have never happened: Barça has never bought referees.
A handful of media and opinion leaders have participated in this harassment with more or less bad intentions, and with LaLiga behind the scenes fueling the fire against our Club, with contributions from its president that have only gone in one direction: trying to condemn us to public opinion before the facts are judged.
It is not the first time that the president of LaLiga uses all his media machinery to dynamite FC Barcelona but, apart from his usual nonsense, we could never have imagined that he had tried to incriminate our Club with false evidence.
The news published today by La Vanguardia is of a gravity that should alert all LaLiga clubs, for practices that do not have any fit in the functions that are attributed to the president of LaLiga.
Just for this fact, that of attributing functions that do not correspond to him, although also for dignity and respect for the presidency of LaLiga, Mr. Thebes should resign in his function. However, aware of his obsession with pursuing FC Barcelona and constantly showing his aversion and manifest antipathy towards our Club, we understand that the current president of LaLiga will persist in his behavior of continuing to harm our Club.
Tebas is an absolute clown.
No, it is not accurate. It is VERY FAR from accurate.
2nd phrase is just pathetic. Like some kind of dark cult pathetic.
- There are not 2, there are like 10 names/last names (I don't even know why you are so explicit about no last names being mentioned). LaLiga mentions them and another FC Barcelona worker, not just the presidents.
- The document talks about banks/investment funds that closed decades ago. Document is from 80s/90s. Bartomeu/Rosell were 20 something.
- The document is from another unrelated process (Soule case, who has been in instruction for almost a decade by the way).
- Barcelona says nothing about the "system", in fact it defends it instead of the "social justice" that people like you spread.
- Barcelona talks about Tebas. You have been under a rock the last few years if you don't know about the Tebas-Barca (and Madrid) war about CVC and Superleague. Including anti Barca changes in the FFP rules.
- Nothing you say about "direct input" or "poor grades" is proved, it is actually quite contested. He had 0 decision power in referees assignment. It is yet to be proved he had any power in referees relegations. You can find tweets defending it anyway.
It is obvious that Tebas knew that this document was irrelevant, but he sent it anyway (including some media traction, that is the main thing here) just to create noise, as he usually does against Barca due to the CVC-SuperLeague fights. Nothing new. Nothing relevant regarding Negreira.
It's very funny for Laporta to come out demanding explanations from Tebas today. He's on day 48 or so of not answering jack fecking shit about why he was paying off the ref man.
Yes Tebas is a clown (hardly news) but more importantly who did Barcelona pay today?
Who did Barsa pay today
He nailed it, CampSnooze.A masterclass of telling wrong information, missing relevant data and making assumptions that, at the very least, are contested.
Congratulations man, that's a good achievement for such a short message.
That cnut just lawyered up and has likely been advised not to say anything. However the fact that his legion of cult followers continue to defend his position with this weird notion that they await his conference to explain everything shows how brainwashed they are. At this point he could pass around the koolaid and they would drink it.It's very funny for Laporta to come out demanding explanations from Tebas today. He's on day 48 or so of not answering jack fecking shit about why he was paying off the ref man.
Doesn’t matter though. CampSnooze is now part of the conspiracy.He nailed it, CampSnooze.
Not sure if it's the usual case of muddying the water or watering the mud but one of them has been the aim.Doesn’t matter though. CampSnooze is now part of the conspiracy.
At this point I genuinely believe that it reflects very badly on the caf that these shills are still allowed to post their disinformation on here. Each and every post gets more ridiculous and it stopped being funny about three weeks ago.
Not sure if it's the usual case of muddying the water or watering the mud but one of them has been the aim.
No you remember right it was Niemanns. Though I don’t know what his current view of Tebas is. However Laporta making things about Madrid and Tebas is Trump level deflection. The cultists should leave CAF and join truth socialI may be misremembering things but wasn't one of the Spanish club fans (maybe Niemanns, hence the comment as the Barce fans have now turned on him) singing the praises of Tebas and the Spanish League when it came to their financial management rules (basically in a roundabout way of saying La Liga was better financially than the Premier League).
Edit - in the other Barce thread about levers, can't be bothered to search it as that is another cesspit of whataboutery from our cule friends.
Interview with Jaume Llopis, former director of
@FCBarcelona_Es
️ "As long as Laporta is president of the team, Messi will not return. It's impossible."
️"I'm worried about the institutional and economic situation of the club."
️ "The stain is indelible, we are going into a dark tunnel, destined for the abyss"
️ "The club, the members and the investors are aware that the Espai Barça must be financed".
️ "Playing in Montjuic is an economic disaster".
️ "Barça's main problem is Laporta".
️ "Guardiola advised him and told him that he had to rely on the academy and he has done the opposite".
️ "The irreversible situation will come in the 2025/2026 season"
️ "There will be a debt of 3,000 million euros".
️ "There is no transparency in Laporta's management. We don't know anything.
️ "We don't know the debt, nor the small print of the contracts, nor the financing of the Espai Barça"
Interview with Jaume Llopis, former director of
@FCBarcelona_Es
That's cute, a Real Madrid outlet invites a former member of the Espai Barca commission to an interview. By the way, he resigned because Laporta didn't listen to his advice and let Messi go for financial reasons. He even published a farewell letter where he directly attacked Laporta for it.
Surely they invited him just to hear some unbiased information, not just to listen to an angry old man who holds a grudge against Laporta for the reason mentioned. It's his neutral, unbiased opinion that Laporta is the devil himself and barca will be buried under his leadership. Messi surely told him personally, that he won't join as long as Laporta is president. Who cares, that the vice president confirmed contacts and negotiations with Messi's entourage.
By the way, has anyone seen the news about Barca's communicado regarding Tebas' fake evidence in his favourite outlets El Mundo and El Pais for example?
https://www.elmundo.es/deportes/futbol/primera-division.html
https://elpais.com/noticias/futbol/
That's strange, both media even quote Tebas' caretaker and cleaning woman in the Negreira case, but didn't publish anything on it? All I can find in yesterday's news is Ceferin also opening an investigation.
This has to be a coincidence, because there is no Tebas driven agenda against Barca!
El caso Negreira ha vuelto a exponer al Barça. En este sentido, el Barça pidió ayer la dimisión del presidente de la Liga, Javier Tebas, después de que este aportara a la fiscalía unas pruebas que se han añadido a la causa.
Negreira case has once again exposed Barça. Barça yesterday called for the resignation of the president of La Liga, Javier Tebas, after he provided the prosecutor's office with evidence that has been added to the case.
You don't have to listen to it if you don't like it and nobody is forced to believe his words (I don't have to believe him either). I found it relevant because he speaks with relevant knowledge of the facts given his former position in the club
Yes, you can see it here:
That is in a piece of news where Ceferin says the situation is extremely serious.
https://elpais.com/deportes/2023-04...a-la-situacion-es-excepcionalmente-grave.html
Exactly. Good that the truth is being revealed.
At first everyone thought the names were related to those Sandro and Rosell.
Interestingly at the time (only 10 days ago) La Vanguardia said this regarding this document:
Tebas clarifies that he doesnt want to speculate but there are names and surnames in the handwritten note that may coincide with certain former managers of FC Barcelona and the Federation.
The names that appear in Contreras' note are:
Román (supposedly Gómez Ponti, former head of the club's legal services); Rosell, (supposedly Sandro Rosell), Josep María (presumably Bartomeu) as well as Julio Molinaro, who was Arjona's lawyer and who was the administrator of the company that billed Barça.
I'm sorry, you are incorrect and everything I've said is 100% accurate. Possibly the problem though is that you seem to lack any ability to think critically? So that may be preventing you from understanding things that are obviously true and correct.
I understand that you have a grudge against Tebas because SHOCK, HORROR - he tried to enforce the previously existing long-standing salary cap rules against Barcelona who obviously should be allowed to flaunt them with reckless abandon. Imagine that he might follow normal procedures to submit a potentially suspicious document to be evaluated by prosecutorial bodies!
No you remember right it was Niemanns. Though I don’t know what his current view of Tebas is. However Laporta making things about Madrid and Tebas is Trump level deflection. The cultists should leave CAF and join truth social
Money has always been in the hands of the corrupt. Governments and media have also been influenced by financial backing. Let’s not pretend this is new. The sheer hypocrisy of people directing their views on Chelsea is nauseating. You could probably find dirt on every owner in the league.
I may be misremembering things but wasn't one of the Spanish club fans (maybe Niemanns, hence the comment as the Barce fans have now turned on him) singing the praises of Tebas and the Spanish League when it came to their financial management rules (basically in a roundabout way of saying La Liga was better financially than the Premier League).
Edit - in the other Barce thread about levers, can't be bothered to search it as that is another cesspit of whataboutery from our cule friends.
I'm correct as I've demonstrated. You are lying as I have demonstrated. Plain and simple. Your problem is probably your pride, I don't know if lack of ability of critical thinking. Basically because I find impossible that somebody does not know the difference between a name and a last name, the difference between 2 and 10. You comment is basically 100% false. Even the smaller details as differentiation between names and last names.
Yes, selling off every valuable asset, what a credible business is all about. Once they’re in the bottom tier of Spain as an AFC team they’ll be training in the local park and they’ll still have everyone turn out to blame Tebas.Right on, Laporta is mortgaging the assets of the club to finance players they can‘t afford, the next presidents will pay the price.
Gawd knows he‘s funneling money away from the club to himself and his friends as well.
Many Barca fans (as myself) think the Tebas FFP was necessary.
Poor little Barcelocas know only to cry and play victim. The are so indoctrinated that they still maintain that what the did isn’t shady. Team of cnuts!Oh well that confirms it, then. Cancel the criminal proceedings. Every club should give up their fairest daughter and three cows to Barcelona as payment. Hopefully it heals their hearts after being bullied for so long by the worldwide footballing cartel.
Of course, there's the argument that the article they're moaning about says that Tebas sent evidence over that only became apparently false AFTER the fact when the family of those mentioned in the document clarified who the names were actually about. But I suppose that doesn't mean anything because the evidence has already been piling up in Barca's favour. Evidence such as "we didn't win eleven league titles in a row" and "Real Madrid are bumfaces waaarrgghhh."
Have nothing against their team. Their fans though, they’d follow Jim Jones.. I mean Laporta to the grave.Poor little Barcelocas know only to cry and play victim. The are so indoctrinated that they still maintain that what the did isn’t shady. Team of cnuts!
You say this, then immediately change tact in the next sentence and pull apart everything that FFP is meant to stand for.
You're either a paid troll or completely delusional on what Barca have been doing.
Nope, you are wrong. It's probably because trite things like "reality" and "facts" obviously have a well-known anti-Barcelona bias that you are so upset and spazzing out about inhumane treatment that includes being held accountable.
Poor little Barcelocas know only to cry and play victim. The are so indoctrinated that they still maintain that what the did isn’t shady. Team of cnuts!
Have nothing against their team. Their fans though, they’d follow Jim Jones.. I mean Laporta to the grave.
Yes, selling off every valuable asset, what a credible business is all about. Once they’re in the bottom tier of Spain as an AFC team they’ll be training in the local park and they’ll still have everyone turn out to blame Tebas.
Barca fans listing every coincidence that's ever happened in 3..2...1......According to this article Barca will have to pay €300k as compensation to Bertomeu's board finantial director, who was improperly sacked by Laporta.
Apparently this guy, Pancho Schröder, ordered an internal investigation in 2016 regarding the payments to Negreira. But that didn't stop them from paying him until 2018 when he stopped being the ref VP.
Once Barça goes belly up, you can become a troll for the Russians. I‘m sure they will love you.I guess you read what I wrote... but did you try to understand what I told?
I support democracy in my country but it does not mean I need to be ok with all the decisions the government makes. Do you know that it is possible, don't you?
So yeah, FFP was necessary, not relaxing it in COVID or changing rules on the fly to target a team is not "necessary" from my point of view. In fact, it goes against what FFP is meant for.
If you think that it is "troll" or "delusional" content... ahammm ok?
I'm not wrong as I proved. You lied plain and straight even in the minimum details. I'm not going to repost but it is there. It is obvious and only your hate and pride prevents you from recognizing it. And since this is an echo chamber with default hate you will be fine.
It is actually very fun to read a Chelsea supporter talking about "reality", "facts" and "bias" when your fanbase have been defending a known corrupt for decades, even after it was fair and square that he wasn't just a corrupt, that he was a supporter with his behavior of a war criminal and a genocide. This has been ongoing even after the war started. So yeah...
It is very sad that you are in a forum of your team and literally more than half of your posts are related to external teams only to insult without any other purpose.
Hardly true when Laporta was already kicked out and he will again. However, you have been defending Abramovich even after the war started.
It is actually more exact to tell that Chelsea fans would follow Abramovich to the grave, you were one step from joining Wagner, and we all know that Prigozhin does not care a lot about the lives of his "comrades". So yeah, supporting russian oligarcs gets you closer to graves
Yes, good business, not like hoping for a corrupt war criminal to burn 100 million euros per year for decades. That is FANTASTIC. Something you cheer on.
Wagner wants the help back btw.