ODI Sheep draft - Strict deadlines from now

Varun said:
Final Round:

Availability Pool: All blocked players.

Blocked Pool: Sangakkara, Gilchrist, Dravid, McCullum, Dhoni,Sachin ,W.Akram, Lara, Amla, Hayden, Bevan, Viv, Pollock, Sehwag, Kapil, Hadlee, Ambrose, Bond, Imran, Roberts, Lillee, Marshall, Akhtar, Symonds, Aravinda, Matthews, Jayasuriya

How this will work:

Every team has to PM the mods a pool of 3 players and the player among these 3 that he wants to pick. The pool has to be correct as you will be making your pick from this but the final name that you send the mods can be a bluff. Once all teams have submitted their lists, the mods will release all the 3 choices along with the name of the player each team wants.

Once this is done, its upto you guys to discuss and negotiate to get a unique player for yourself. If you manage to organise yourselves, superb, everyone gets a top player in their squad.

Now the catch.

Once the discussion is done, each of you will send the name of the player you actually want to the mods but along with this, you will also send a name you want to block. This block can be anyone from the entire pool so you can backstab each other. When the results are announced, who blocked whom will NOT be disclosed so you can block with aplomb. Also, if 2 or more teams go for the same player, the pick will fail but the player name will NOT be disclosed and he will again be eligible for the next round.

Let the mindgames begin!! :D

Note: The deadline will be longer than 12hrs so you guys can negotiate properly. Dont be pussies and make this fun.
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Varun said:
Argh. What's the confusion @Interval @NM?
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Everything!!

So we send you a list of 3 players
Then we mention 1 player that we actually want (but it could be a bluff)
You mention the named player and a set of two more to the public
Thereafter I'm supposed to have a chat with everyone to let me have that player (and for some weird reason people will say yes)
Then everyone is supposed to send you that one player that they actually want and one player they want to block
Then you declare who gets what? If a player is picked by 2, it is not in the blocked pool but eligible again
 
See, you send me a list of 3 players. Say sachin, gavaskar and kapil and you say you'll be picking sachin. Everyone does this. Mods release the info.

Say:

team 1: sachin, kapil, sunny. wants sachin.
team 2: sachin, holding, marshall. wants sachin
team 3: holding, kapil, imran. wants kapil
team 4: sunny, holding, kapil. wants imran etc

Now, obviously, 2 people want sachin and even in the other 2, if team 4 are bluffing, they could want who team 3 says they want(as kapil is common to both pools). If you just pick who you want blindly, your picks will fail. So, the managers need to negotiate among themselves and find an agreement that works for everyone so that everyone can get a player. Remember, SHEEP in this round will NOT be from the blocked Pool and we will have just 2 rounds. So, you negotiate with each other so that you can all get a player. This will obvious require discussions to have everyone go for unique players to prevent fails. Then, there's the catch of blocking a player. So, the goal is to get who you want while also guessing who the other team is actually going for and blocking that player.
 
What's the need for selecting the set of 3? Is that to highlight you can only pick from those 3?
 
Varun said:
Yeah, gives people a chance to actually block other picks.
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But then its bizarre. If I want to screw, lets say crappy, over, I just need to convince Aldo and NM to work with me and block all three of his picks.

Moreso, only 12-13 or so players will end up getting selected in the pool of 3 which means 8 blocks may eliminate as much as 50%-60% of the pool even if some blocks overlap
 
Interval said:
But then its bizarre. If I want to screw, lets say crappy, over, I just need to convince Aldo and NM to work with me and block all three of his picks.

Moreso, only 12-13 or so players will end up getting selected in the pool of 3 which means 8 blocks may eliminate as much as 50%-60% of the pool even if some blocks overlap
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Yep, if you manage that, you can but all discussions between managers should happen in this thread and not via PMs.

That's why you have to pick your pool of 3 smartly. Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho won't be a smart pool to pick for instance. Its upto the team managers to work out what the ideal pool is given who they want and how to go about getting him.
 
Varun said:
Yep, if you manage that, you can but all discussions between managers should happen in this thread and not via PMs.

That's why you have to pick your pool of 3 smartly. Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho won't be a smart pool to pick for instance. Its upto the team managers to work out what the ideal pool is given who they want and how to go about getting him.
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Yeah, but if people gang up, which they will, it can go horribly wrong for the others... I can understand fortunes being decided by luck or by smart picking in the sheep draft, but being screwed over by cartels is different, na?

Or am I getting this wrong?
 
So, we pick a pool of 3 players and our preference among them (This may or may not be a bluff). This is PM'd to Varun.
Once done, the players are restricted to picking from the 3 players listed.
Varun releases the list of shortlist and the player picks.
In case of people picking the same player, they can discuss terms between them and come to an agreement (bluff or not).
After all the discussions, the final pick and the block is to be sent to the Varun.

@Varun Is that correct?
 
Akash said:
So, we pick a pool of 3 players and our preference among them (This may or may not be a bluff). This is PM'd to Varun.
Once done, the players are restricted to picking from the 3 players listed.
Varun releases the list of shortlist and the player picks.
In case of people picking the same player, they can discuss terms between them and come to an agreement (bluff or not).
After all the discussions, the final pick and the block is to be sent to the Varun.

@Varun Is that correct?
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Yes.
Interval said:
Yeah, but if people gang up, which they will, it can go horribly wrong for the others... I can understand fortunes being decided by luck or by smart picking in the sheep draft, but being screwed over by cartels is different, na?

Or am I getting this wrong?
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Hmmm. True enough. How about both pick and block being from the pool you select then? In that case, managers can pick the pool with a goal of having atleast 1 unique player which won't be blocked. If you get 1 unique player in, you're guaranteed a successful pick if you want.

Aldo said:
If it seems to unbalanced we can always do a basic pick 1 block 1 round.
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Yep, if the majority don't fancy it, we'll do a normal pick 1 block 1 usual round.
 
Varun said:
Yes.


Hmmm. True enough. How about both pick and block being from the pool you select then? In that case, managers can pick the pool with a goal of having atleast 1 unique player which won't be blocked. If you get 1 unique player in, you're guaranteed a successful pick if you want.


Yep, if the majority don't fancy it, we'll do a normal pick 1 block 1 usual round.
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I actually quite fancy this. It makes a good break from the normal.

I like the bolded bit. That could add a more interesting element to this. People will therefore need to pick top players in their pool to ensure they can block the others from getting it.

I'm game with anything. I'm sure people will play this for the fun of it.
 
I come home to a criteria that is harder to understand than FSMA regulations FML
 
So I understand this right. I give a list of 3 people. Both the person I want to block and pick has to be in it, and I get only one shot?

Or is it I get 2 shots, and I submit a new list the second time?
 
NM said:
So I understand this right. I give a list of 3 people. Both the person I want to block and pick has to be in it, and I get only one shot?

Or is it I get 2 shots, and I submit a new list the second time?
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Yes for the first part. Same list to the second

Also, you need to eventually pick one and block one from the list. Right now, you just need to bluff name one you want to pick
 
NM said:
So I understand this right. I give a list of 3 people. Both the person I want to block and pick has to be in it, and I get only one shot?

Or is it I get 2 shots, and I submit a new list the second time?
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For the first round, 3 names. You will eventually picks nd Block from these 3. I will release your pool and a name who you're picking(feel free to bluff as you'll make your actual pick later).

If it gets to the 2nd round, new pool etc.
 
ok. I'll pick as soon as harshad is around. The new pool is what I was thinking of
 
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