ODI Cricket Draft QF 1: Samid vs Aldo

Who will win the ODI?

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Welcome to the first Quarter Final match of the ODI cricket draft. Some basic rules to consider while voting:

1) Judge players only on the basis of their ODI records.
2) Base your vote on which team you think is more likely to win an ODI between the two.
3) The poll will remain open for 24 hours after creation.

Samid has won the toss and has chosen to bowl first.

The XIs:

@Samid: 1. Gordon Greenidge 2. Adam Gilchrist (WK) 3. Zaheer Abbas 4. Martin Crowe (C) 5. Paul Collingwood 6. Michael Bevan 7. Ravindra Jadeja 8. Abdul Qadir 9. Joel Garner 10. Morne Morkel 11. Makhaya Ntini

@Aldo: 1. Sachin Tendulkar 2. Mark Waugh 3. Kumara Sangakkara 4. Younis Khan 5. Yuvraj Singh 6. Andrew Symonds 7. Mark Boucher 8. Heath Streak 9. Lasith Malinga 10. Shane Bond 11. Gavin Larsen

Conditions: Hot humid conditions. Dry surface. No grass. Less assistance for pace and bounce. Tends to support spin.
 
Samid:

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Martin Crowe captained NZ at the 1992 World Cup and inspired his team to a heroic semi-final. In his 9 matches he scored 456 runs at an sensational average of 114, was the top scorer and became the first ever player to be named man of the tournament at a World Cup.

Crowe's captaincy in that World Cup was innovative and fresh. He used a spinner to open the bowling. The idea was to restrict batsmen during the fielding restrictions. He also sent out a pinch-hitter to make full use of the restrictions.

"Marty was a very creative and brilliant thinker, the genesis came from him. Tactically he was light years ahead of anyone else I played under. He was the boss, he ran the gig. He was like a chess master, the way he moved his players around. He was just clever." -Gavin Larsen

In the semi-final vs Pakistan, Crowe scored 91 from 83 balls as NZ set a challenging score of 262. But during that innings he pulled his hamstring and had to decide whether to rest or risk aggravating his injury by taking to the field. He chose to rest and painfully saw it all go to pieces. "With what unfolded, I had made a massive mistake in not taking the field despite a hamstring injury, because I was trying to be fit for the final as opposed to getting the team through to the final," Crowe said in 2015.

"Greatness is bestowed only upon a few. [...] I am proud to call you a friend. You were a great player, simply one of our best ever. On behalf of us all, New Zealand cricket, world cricket, friends, family and fans, thank you for your magnificent contribution to this great game known as cricket." -Sir Richard Hadlee

"Technically he was absolutely fantastic. He had a presence at the crease and if you combine that with the cricket smarts he possessed you're going to have a pretty good package. It's a pretty simple formula, and he had it in spades." -Allan Border

"You could draw a parallel between the way he batted and Greg Chappell. He was such a beautiful, elegant batsman and a terrific stroke player. When he was going, which he did plenty of times against us, there was no more difficult man to bowl to. We had our tussles in the middle but he was always the first bloke through the door for a beer at the end of the day. A tremendous human being, and I couldn't speak more highly of Martin Crowe than anyone, particularly from an opponent's point of view, on the field and off it." -Craig McDermott



"For those of us who grew up watching cricket in the 80s, we owe him immensely" -Scott Styris

"There were occasions when Sachin & me actually copied him, he was one of my favourite batsman." -Sanjay Manjrekar

"Back then, only he knew how to play reverse swing. The best I ever bowled against." -Wasim Akram

"Martin has been a mentor to me for almost my entire first-class career. In both the good times and the more trying times Martin has always been there for me. His advice, technical understanding and nous, coupled with his unwavering belief and loyalty in me have made my job as a professional cricketer that much easier. I shall always be grateful to him." -Ross Taylor

 
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Team Ando

01. Sachin Tendulkar | 15921 runs @ 45, SR: 86 | 49 100s, 96 50s
02. Mark Waugh | 8500 runs @ 39, SR: 77 | 18 100s, 50 50s
03. Kumara Sangakkara | 14234 runs @ 42, SR: 79 | 25 100s, 93 50s
04. Younis Khan | 7249 runs @ 31, SR: 75 | 7 100s, 48 50s
05. Yuvraj Singh | 8329 runs @ 36, SR: 87 | 13 100s, 51 50s | 111 wickets @ 38, SR: 45 | Econ: 5.1
06. Andrew Symonds | 5088 runs @ 40, SR: 92 | 6 100s, 30 50s | 133 wickets @ 37, SR: 44 | Econ: 5.0
07. Mark Boucher | 4686 runs @ 29, SR: 85 | 1 100s, 26 50s | 403 catches, 22 stumpings
08. Heath Streak | 2943 runs @ 29 | 239 wickets @ 29 | 1 5w, 7 4w | Econ : 4.5
09. Lasith Malinga | 291 wickets @ 28, SR: 31 | Econ: 5.2
10. Shane Bond | 147 wickets @ 21, SR: 29 | Econ: 4.3
11. Gavin Larsen | 113 wickets @ 35, SR: 56 | Econ: 3.8

Batting Plan

The two openers are two of the greatest the one day has seen: Sachin Tendulkar and Mark Waugh. They are capable of handling any situation possible. Coming in at first down is the greatest Sri Lankan batsman of all time, second highest ODI scorer ever, Kumara Sangakkara. Absolutely world class throughout his career and an elegant sight to behold, Kumara is well capable of coming in with a strong score on the board and carrying it further or in case of an early wicket he can play the long innings around which the innings can revolve. The top three of this team combine a plethora of runs, centuries and fifties and there's no bowling attack that can dent it from all sides. It's secure, sturdy yet devastating and destructive when it wants to be, plus all three are masters of playing throughout the innings and put a massive price on their wickets. At number 4 is the reliable Younis Khan, who compliments the rest of the team perfectly and as more than capable of being a quality support act and would form crucial stable partnerships at the middle of the innings. Following them are two explosive big hitting machines in Yuvraj Singh and Andrew Symonds. Both have been brilliant match winners for their teams and are two of the greatest finishers the game has seen. Chasing a high run rate would never be an issue with them at crease. They'll be encouraged to play their natural game and we can hope for some clear hits. Supporting them is a very strong lower order of Boucher and Streak. In a tight chase you need partners who can hold the bat, hit a few if needed and rotate the strike and all these are experienced batting at the death and making crucial runs.

Bowling and Fielding Plan

Over - Bowler
1 - Bond
2 - Malinga
3 - Bond
4 - Malinga
5 - Bond
6 - Malinga
7 - Bond
8 - Malinga
9 - Bond
10 - Malinga
11 - Bond
12 - Streak
13 - Larsen
14 - Streak
15 - Larsen
16 - Streak
17 - Larsen
18 - Streak
19 - Larsen
20 - Streak
21 - Larsen
22 - Yuvraj
23 - Larsen
24 - Yuvraj
25 - Streak
26 - Yuvraj
27 - Streak
28 - Yuvraj
29 - Symonds
30 - Yuvraj
31 - Symonds
32 - Yuvraj
33 - Symonds
34 - Yuvraj
35 - Symonds
36 - Yuvraj
37 - Streak
38 - Larsen
39 - Streak
40 - Larsen
41 - Streak
42 - Malinga
43 - Bond
44 - Malinga
45 - Bond
46 - Malinga
47 - Bond
48 - Malinga
49 - Bond
50 - Malinga

Spread:
Shane Bond: 10 overs
Lasith Malinga: 10 overs
Heath Streak: 10 overs
Gavin Larsen: 8 overs
Yuvraj Singh: 8 overs
Andrew Symonds: 4 overs
Backups: Mark Waugh and Sachin Tendulkar

Keeper : Mark Boucher
Slips : Mark Waugh, Sachin Tendulkar
Inner Off-Side : Andrew Symonds, Yuvraj Singh, Sachin Tendulkar

The bowling is spearheaded by one of the greatest one day fast bowlers - Shane Bond. No need to elaborate on his exploit against the Aussies. He bowls quick, accurate, sharp and miserly as his stats above tell. He will be partnered by the new addition to the team: Lasith Malinga. With 291 ODI wickets he's proven himself to be one of the greatest ODI bowlers of his time with deadly yorkers at the death and a devastating wicket taking ability. Him and Bond at the start of the innings are well capable of chopping down the top order, as well as bowling at the death and churning out valuable dot balls. They are complimented by the African workhorse Heath Streak the one who carried the ZIM attack singlehandedly for years. His work rate, accuracy and control will compliment the opening pair's explosiveness well. Streak will bowl his first spell inside the fielding restrictions with Larsen handling the middle overs with support from Yuvraj and Symonds. Larsen's insane economy from one end will give the other two the freedom to attack the batsmen without worrying about a couple of boundaries. Malinga and Bond will bowl in the death. Malinga has an unplayable yorker and him and Bond will be a tough ask to play at the end.

IN THIS MATCH

- We have been asked to bat first on this dry grassless pitch - which means plenty of runs! Little support for pace negates any advantage one can gain by bowling first and against our strong top order, that will give us a massive advantage at the start of the game. We all know how Sachin can be brutal in these conditions, often taking the game to the attack and setting the pace of the innings. There's slim chance of him getting early wickets looking at both my batting and the conditions, and that is my biggest area of strength.

- Having said that, we'll still pay the Big Bird his due respect, but no more. A bad ball will still be dispatched, and Sachin will play his natural game and look to establish an early upper hand over him and play his natural strokes. However, once we negotiate him, we can look to capitalise on the situation using our strong start and world class batsmen set on the crease against the next few bowlers in line.

- This pitch suits spin, which is fine as we have wonderful players of spin in Sachin, Kumara, Younis.

- Batting first, on a pitch that would generate a lot of runs, it's paramount to achieve a competitive total and put the chasing team under pressure. We have already discussed the strengths of the top order, but we also have two quality middle order explosive batsmen who are just the men you need to finish the job started by the top order. Yuvraj and Symonds is a devastating pair to enter in a situation where the team already has a strong total on the board, they will be devastating at the end and accelerate the innings into a really high score. We are aiming at setting a target of around 325+.

- The opposition has a quality batting order but just like last time, I fail to see the required lower batting order strength to finish a strong chase. In fact, beyond the opening pair, they lack anyone who can completely go beserk and change the game, or demoralise the bowlers. Since the chasing total is likely to be high here, they would need someone who can step up the gas.

- Like mentioned above, they seem reliant on their opening pair, which is dangerous against an ATG ODI bowling pair like Bond and Malinga. Both of those, if nothing else, are pure wicket takers. They strike at the beginning more often than not and while the middle order is great to come in and keep the board ticking, can they handle the req RR as well as the pressure of staying on the wicket?

- Malinga has made a career out of bowling at such dry wickets yet still taking wickets regularly. He'll be in his element here and make a key impact on the game. Similarly Yuvraj, who won the World Cup Player of the Tournament while playing on such surfaces, would make his bowling count and he'll bowling with Larsen/Streak on the other end who have remarkable economies, which means he'll have the benefit of batsmen constantly trying to open up against him and he's likely to grab a couple of wickets here.

- The batting order simply lacks enough depth to chase a high total.

- Malinga's ability in cleaning up the lower order - which is a bit soft here.

I believe batting first suits our team and the conditions, and gives us a really strong chance to impose a big total here and put enough brakes on the opposition while bowling to make them fall short of that score. Good luck, @Samid.
 
@Rado_N could you make this poll please:

Title: Who will win the ODI?

Option 1: Samid
Option 2: Aldo

Vote options: can only pick 1 choice, votes can be changed, votes are public.

Thanks.
 
Samid's decision to bowl first here is reminiscent of the 2003 WC final where Ganguly sent in that strong Aussie line up to bat and they put on that huge total. With little support for pace, there's less chance of early wickets and that top three is punishing.

Also, Collingwood batting ahead of Bevan is a farce.

Also also, that Collingwood fielding gif is cute.
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My top three has a combined 92! ODI centuries between them.

And you challenge them by giving them the bat first? Good luck.
 
Aldo said:
Samid's decision to bowl first here is reminiscent of the 2003 WC final where Ganguly sent in that strong Aussie line up to bat and they put on that huge total. With little support for pace, there's less chance of early wickets and that top three is punishing.

Also, Collingwood batting ahead of Bevan is a farce.

Also also, that Collingwood fielding gif is cute.
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No it is actually more reminiscent of Azhar deciding to bowl first at Eden Gardens vs SL in '96 semi final.

@Samid why are you bowling first?
 
The Man Himself said:
No it is actually more reminiscent of Azhar deciding to bowl first at Eden Gardens vs SL in '96 semi final.

@Samid why are you bowling first?
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True, that is closer to what the conditions are.

Point stands though, why give the initiative to that sort of quality at the top unless it's a greentop or at least a decent chance of early wickets? While it automatically hands me the initiative, a couple of good partnerships at the top with one of them staying till the later stage of the innings is quite possible and could result in a really good total more often than not.

Which compounds the problems for him as his batting line up lacks the sort of fire power I do and would struggle to chase down a big total. More so with the economies of my bowlers.
 
Think he just did it because you always lose the toss and as he doesn't think pitch conditions will be much of a factor, he let you have the first crack at it.
 
Why I will win:
  • Joel Garner is the greatest ODI bowler. His accuracy is immense and his incredible economy rate means runs will be hard to come by. Sharing the new ball will be Ntini. Ntini is priceless in these conditions. Good economy and a very handy strike rate means there will be early inroads and the score low in the first 10 overs.
  • Morne Morkel is the first change. Another strike bowler, Morkel has the 4th lowest SR of all bowlers eligible for this draft.
  • My main spinner is a strike bowler. Abdul Qadir is tailor-made for these conditions. Qadir has a brilliant record in Pakistan, India and SL.
  • My second spinner, Ravi Jadeja, is a full time bowler. A very handy bowler. He is better than both Symonds and Yuvi who have to be considered part timers. I have two proper spinners, Aldo hasn't got one. Remember the game is being played in spin friendly conditions.
  • Qadir and Jadeja will grasp the middle overs. Both have very good economy rates so scoring won't be straightforward in the middle overs.
  • Garner and Morkel will bowl at the death and clean up the tail.
  • Greenidge and Gilchrist is a destructive opening pair. Gilchrist will take the game to the opponent from the first over. Greenidge will take a bit time to settle but when he is settled, he will smash them all over the park.
  • Zaheer Abbas is perfect for the conditions. His average in Pakistan is 58.85 @ 105 SR. Abbas will score fast and significantly take down the RRR.
  • Martin Crowe, a master in all conditions. Scored heavily in India/SL at a decent pace.
  • Paul Collingwood is getting some stick from Aldo but have a look at his record at 5. Avg 43.28 @ 81.50 in 80 innings! Collingwood belongs at 5.
  • Michael Bevan is arguably the greatest chaser. He won't panic and will ensure that he chases down any target.
  • Ravi Jadeja has an average of 32 @ 85. If required he will come in at 7 and offer the perfect support for Bevan, a role he has played many times under one other great finisher named MS Dhoni.
 
So its Sachin vs Qadir, we all know what happened last when these two met.
 
Samid said:
Joel Garner is the greatest ODI bowler. His accuracy is immense and his incredible economy rate means runs will be hard to come by.
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Possibly, and like I said, we will give him his due respect.

However, one of his biggest strengths was his height and the bounce he could generate. Looking at the conditions, it doesn't seem to be a pitch with uneven or steep bounce, rather one where the ball keeps low and short bowling would be easy to play due to that. He'll still be accurate and won't give away many runs, but overall one of his main strengths would likely not be very effective here. Less so against that top three.
 
Samid with the better spinners in spinning conditions though. And Gilly/Greendidge is dangerous in itself and are probably the best openers you want chasing what could be a big score (other than their counterparts probably). Malinga is not economical at all in ODIs and though takes wickets can leak quite a few runs. Bond in these conditions arent ideal either but would be effective enough. Larsen is a good bet in this slow wicket though. I dont think Yuvi or Symonds are big spinners of the ball. Both are decent supporting acts but neither are good enough to be the main spinners. Symonds especially is more of medium pace than a pure spinner?
 
Less assistance for pace and bounce.

From the provided conditions. Is bowling first, when your strike bowler relies on his ability to generate awkward bounce on hard surfaces, as opposed to the one he is playing on, a wise decision? Specially when he has the job of facing the onslaught of Tendulkar and Waugh?
 
prath92 said:
Samid with the better spinners in spinning conditions though. And Gilly/Greendidge is dangerous in itself and are probably the best openers you want chasing what could be a big score (other than their counterparts probably). Malinga is not economical at all in ODIs and though takes wickets can leak quite a few runs. Bond in these conditions arent ideal either but would be effective enough. Larsen is a good bet in this slow wicket though. I dont think Yuvi or Symonds are big spinners of the ball. Both are decent supporting acts but neither are good enough to be the main spinners. Symonds especially is more of medium pace than a pure spinner?
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He's very heavily reliant on Gilly and Greenidge to an extent due to the slow pace at which his other batters play. This isn't ideal at all when you are up against wicket takers like bond and Malinga. We wouldn't mind couple of 15 run overs if they can clean them up. Seriously, wicket takers like bond and Malinga are worth their weight in gold especially in this game where the opponent is so heavily dependant on his openers.

Yuvi and symonds are more than capable as spinners in this condition, they're no Qadir though obviously.
 
prath92 said:
Samid with the better spinners in spinning conditions though. And Gilly/Greendidge is dangerous in itself and are probably the best openers you want chasing what could be a big score (matched by the rivals probably). Malinga is not economical at all in ODIs and though takes wickets can leak quite a few runs. Bond in these conditions arent ideal either but would be effective enough. Larsen is a good bet in this slow wicket though. I dont think Yuvi or Symonds are big spinners of the ball. Both are decent supporting acts but neither are good enough to be the main spinners. Symonds especially is more of medium pace than a pure spinner?
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Malinga's runs won't be a problem, given the fact I have 28-30 overs bowled by Bond, Streak and Larsen, all of whom are incredibly difficult to score big off. Yuvraj in these conditions has proven to be a game changer enough times, his player of the tournament in 2011 accounted for his overall impact with the bat and ball, and he was a constant threat with the ball in that tournament.

Also, I have magnificent players of spin in Sachin, Sanga and Younis. Like Mani referred to:

The official one-dayer had been abandoned because of bad light and a 20-over exhibition match organised instead. Pakistan put on 157 and India only got close thanks to an 18-ball 53 from a 16-year-old Sachin Tendulkar. One over from Abdul Qadir read: 6, 0, 4, 6 6 6. It announced Tendulkar to the world.

 
That Qadir Sachin over while fascinating is slightly unfair on Qadir. Qadir was in his last years by then, obviously not as good as his best years. An in prime Qadir is one of the top ODI spinners of all time.
 
prath92 said:
Qadir was in his last years by then
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And Sachin was a 16 year old. A good 7-8 years before he entered his prime.
It's fair to say if they get to meet in this game, specially given the fact that Qadir would be coming in to bowl when Sachin has already been on the pitch for like 15-20 overs, and the fact that we are batting first, should give me an upper hand in that battle. Sachin loves taking spinners on specially in ODIs. I rate Qadir, of course, it was only the previous draft where was a part of my team, but, this is a battle he's not likely to enjoy.

prath92 said:
Qadir is one of the top ODI spinners of all time.
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Well he's up against.. a top ODI batsman, to say the least. :)
 
Even then I think Samid's batting is a little less stronger. There are 6 batsmen and even there, Collingwood isn't that great. Bevan can chase well of course but too much responsibility will be on him though. In my opinion, you shoudnt have dropped Zak. He has been playing in pitches like this most of his career.
 
Aldo said:
And Sachin was a 16 year old. A good 7-8 years before he entered his prime.
It's fair to say if they get to meet in this game, specially given the fact that Qadir would be coming in to bowl when Sachin has already been on the pitch for like 15-20 overs, and the fact that we are batting first, should give me an upper hand in that battle. Sachin loves taking spinners on specially in ODIs. I rate Qadir, of course, it was only the previous draft where was a part of my team, but, this is a battle he's not likely to enjoy.


Well he's up against.. a top ODI batsman, to say the least. :)
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Agree with that yes.
 
Aldo said:
Which compounds the problems for him as his batting line up lacks the sort of fire power I do and would struggle to chase down a big total. More so with the economies of my bowlers.
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You mean 3 of your bowlers that have economies over 5? That's 100 runs in 20 overs just based on numbers and without even considering the strengths of my batsmen vs spin and the weakness of your spinners in spin conditions. Let's have a look at your spinners and Malinga:

Yuvraj
In India: 40 @ 5.3
In Pakistan 52 @ 5.5
In SL: 30 @ 4.7

Symonds
In India: 61 @ 5.1
In SL: 44 @ 4.3

Malinga
In India: 34 @ 5.3
In SL: 27 @ 5.1
In UAE: 44 @ 5.4

These are abysmal numbers and you will be bowling 22 overs from these 3 bowlers. That's 150 runs right there without much fuss.
 
:eek:. What a set of teams!!
But don't like 5 and 7 from Samid's team and Younis from Aldo's, but rest are excellent.
 
Pitch really plays into Samid's hands, I think. Don't think either team will score very highly, and while Samid's batsmen (top order excluded) aren't explosive, they are certainly reliable. Ando's attack is a little over the place in these conditions. His spinner is mainly good at containing the runs, but his pacemen aren't going to be able to keep it tight. Malinga is a lot of hot and cold, you never know what you'll get.

Samid's attack is more capable of keeping the score down with Garner's yorkers plus two spinners. However, Ando have a lot of subcontinental batsmen that might be able to handle Qadir. Younis Khan is particularly good at playing spin.
 
Its a dry wkt and every batsmen here can bat,i dont see the weakness in batting considering the general playing condition.
 
The Man Himself said:
@Samid why are you bowling first?
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  • Gilchrist averages 32 @ 93 batting first. Batting second he averages 40 @ 101.
  • Greenidge averages 41 batting first. 49 chasing.
  • Crowe averages 36 batting first. 42 chasing.
  • The Bevan factor. Avg. 52 batting first, avg. 57 chasing. Mr. Reliable when chasing.

My team performs a lot better when under pressure chasing. They are match winners.
 
Samid said:
  • Gilchrist averages 32 @ 93 batting first. Batting second he averages 40 @ 101.
  • Greenidge averages 41 batting first. 49 chasing.
  • Crowe averages 36 batting first. 42 chasing.
  • The Bevan factor. Avg. 52 batting first, avg. 57 chasing. Mr. Reliable when chasing.
My team performs a lot better when under pressure chasing. They are match winners.
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That's all OK but on dry pitch which is going to assist spin and your spin department imo being better, batting first would have helped you.
 
Samid said:
  • Gilchrist averages 32 @ 93 batting first. Batting second he averages 40 @ 101.
  • Greenidge averages 41 batting first. 49 chasing.
  • Crowe averages 36 batting first. 42 chasing.
  • The Bevan factor. Avg. 52 batting first, avg. 57 chasing. Mr. Reliable when chasing.
My team performs a lot better when under pressure chasing. They are match winners.
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That can prove key too. Plus if gilly gets his eye in hitting malinga, Bond could fly all over the park as well. As I had said earlier gilly and greenidge are probably the best openers you want in any chase.

Edit- still think you missed a trick in not selecting Zaheer Khan.
 
Akshay said:
Pitch really plays into Samid's hands, I think. Don't think either team will score very highly, and while Samid's batsmen (top order excluded) aren't explosive, they are certainly reliable. Ando's attack is a little over the place in these conditions. His spinner is mainly good at containing the runs, but his pacemen aren't going to be able to keep it tight. Malinga is a lot of hot and cold, you never know what you'll get.

Samid's attack is more capable of keeping the score down with Garner's yorkers plus two spinners. However, Ando have a lot of subcontinental batsmen that might be able to handle Qadir. Younis Khan is particularly good at playing spin.
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Why do you think it won't be a high scoring game ? I think a score in excess of 280 is easily possible. And who are Ando's spinners ? He doesn't have a specialist spinner if I am not mistaken. Only Yuvraj is scheduled for 8 overs somewhere in the middle. So it's probably going to be against Greenidge/Abbas/Crowe, all three of whom I think will fancy their chances.

Qadir could be really crucial here, but unfortunately for Samid, many of Aldo's batsmen are very good at playing spin.
 
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