ODI Cricket Draft: Mani vs Aldo @Wellington

Who will win the ODI?

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Welcome to Day 5 of the ODI snake draft round of 16. Some basic rules to consider while voting:

1) Judge players only on the basis of their ODI records.
2) Base your vote on which team you think is more likely to win an ODI between the two.
3) The ground for the match serves only as a representative of the overall playing conditions of its country.
4) The poll will remain open for 24 hours after creation.

Mani has won the toss and has chosen to bat first.

The XIs:

@Mani : 1. Hayden 2. Stewart 3. Willimson 4. Mohammad Yousuf 5. Cronje 6. Raina 7. Jacob Oram 8. Fainie De Villiers 9. Mushtaq Ahmed 10. James Anderson 11. Glenn McGrath

@Aldo : 1. Tendulkar 2. Mark Waugh 3. Ian Bell 4. Younis Khan 5. Yuvraj Singh 6. Symonds 7. Boucher 8. Streak 9. Gul 10. Bond 11. Larsen
 
Team Mani

Batting First

The Openers (Mathew Hayden – Alec Stewart)
A balanced opening pair of Power and patience, Hayden will bring his conventional aggression to the game, ambulating to the pace bowlers and hitting over the top or cutting or pulling. At the other end, Alec Stewart will be a nice foil to Hayden’s onslaught in probing for the impuissant ball, penalizing it to great effect. The pair will look to build a healthy score in the first 15 overs. Bond would without a doubt be at his conventional best, but Gul has struggled in these parts of the world and the pair will look to score a few runs off him.

The Middle Order (Kane Williamson – Mohammad Yousuf – Hansie Cronje)
The youthful but serene Kane Williamson will coalesce with the experience and guile of Yousuf and the bravado of Cronje in the middle order. Yousuf will be the main Anchor man (Not that Williamson is any less capable) and will hold the innings together excellently partnered by Willismson and Cronje with their customary approach. The Middle overs in ODI are always crucial where Ando may have to rely on Larsen and part time bowlers to bowl through their spells. The match can be won here. The Lack of genuine spinners in their squad is also a worry. Williamson and Yousuf will negotiate through these overs with relative ease and pile on the runs with comfort.
Cronje can join later on to expedite the run rate.

The Little Man and the Big Fella (Suresh Raina – Jacob Oram)
Lovers of the small grounds, the innovative and quirky Raina and the raw hitting abilities of Oram will ensure a very strong and very entertaining finish to the first innings. A score close to 300 is well and truly on the cards.


Bowling Second


Opening Spell (Glenn McGrath – Fanie de Villiers – James Anderson)
McGrath, the Ace of the Pack, best in the important formats of the game (:p). His line and length would trouble any player. Ask any batsmen in the world and they would verbalize McGrath as the toughest of the lot to score off. Elegant in length and variety in swing, endeavoring to hit him is inviting disaster. His partner in crime is a cerebral bowler, innovative with his approach and one of the most economical bowlers of his time. Fanie will be expeditious with his off-cutters and his swing and will genuinely surprise batsmen. His action also suits bowling in the slow overs of the game with short spells and can confound batsmen with his slow remotely over pitched ball which will invite any established batsmen to hit the ball straight to the fielders hand for the perfect wicket taking ball. He is only a handful of bowlers who has a truly great control over his variations. At his apex, Anderson could swing the ball either side. Along with McGrath/Di Villiers he will apportion the early ball spells. He might not be the most economical of the lot but he's a wicket taking bowler who canstrike at any time.

Middle Overs (Mushtaq Ahmed – Fanie – Oram – Cronje)
The Lone Leg spinner or the only genuine spinner for that matter from both the bowling lot, Mushtaq can bowl the leggie as well as the googly with uncanny similarity. He is a wrist spinner which sanctions him to get good turn on the ball and his stock googly has stunned many a set batsmen in their prime. Medium Pace, Swing, Slow balls, all amalgamated into one, Oram was once of the main strike bowlers for the New Zealand team. He utilizes his height impeccably to generate tremendous bounce and the natural conditions of his home country would aid his swing bowling. If required, another bowler that could come in and more than do a handy job is our skipper, Cronje. His medium pace is very difficult to dominate for most players who more often than not find the fielder when they go for the big shots. Run scoring like in the first 10 will be difficult in the middle overs for any team.

The Death Overs (McGrath – Fanie – Anderson)
Three bowlers who are well known to be lethal in the death overs, McGrath and Fanie with their unerring consistency and Anderson with his natural wicket taking abilities, there will not be much joy for the batsmen in this spell. Anderson/McGrath will make good use of the yorkers and Fanie has some beauty of a slow deliveries. Any batsmen that attempts to humiliate these three are likely to get humiliated themselves.


Why I’ll Win

1. Batting First: It doesn’t matter what we score, they need to do one better and that will be very hard against the likes of McGrath, Fanie, Anderson, Mushtaq.

2. The Haydos onslaught: Mathew Hayden averages an amazing 74.37 in New Zealand. Expect some of that magic in this match as well.
in New Zealand 2000-2007 10 10 2 595 181* 74.37 698 85.24 2 4 1 64 15

3. Mettle in the Middle Overs: Getting through the middle overs is arguably one of the most under-appreciated tasks in cricket and in Mohammad Yousuf and Williamson, we have two players who are exemplary at that.

4. Ridiculous Raina: Suresh Raina averages 63.80 in NZ. Nuff Said.

5. Bond and his Quantum of Solace: Bond will be at his menacing best, but the lack of a suitable strike bowler at the other end might be a problem for him. Gul’s record is among the worst from both sets of bowlers. If he struggles, then wicket taking will be a real problem. Larsen will be economical and Industrious and Streak will be decent but neither have the quality to take the wickets of my batsmen.

6. Ando’s early wobbles: It’s hard for someone as brilliant as Sachin to have a constant thorn in his side, but our team possesses four of them. McGrath, Fanie, Cronje and Anderson (Though Anderson was more of a test-ing thorn) have been historically known to trouble a Sachin Tendulkar in his prime. There are several excerpts taken from the man himself, from Fanie, videos etc to back this up in our special edition; Sachin spoiler. Please do give it a good read. He might be God to some, but he’s still a God with weaknesses.

Figuring out Waugh’s weakness was a little harder, but figure it out we did. In the 9 times that they have faced each other, Mushtaq Ahmed has snagged his man, 3 times, a very healthy 1 in 3 games record. This may not sound all that impressive at first glance, but he is one of the more successful spinners against the Warne brothers and has a better Dismissals/Match ratio than Vettori and equals Murali.

7. Shaking like a polaroid pitcture: Two key components of Ando’s run chase will be his anchorman Younis Khan and the swashbuckling Yuvraj. Unfortunately, both of them have abymsal records in NZ, averaging 19 and 21 respectively. That theoretically means, a lot will fall on the others to stabilize the innings.

8. Two Right Hands: With the exception of Yuvraj, everyone else on Ando’s team are right handed. So this means less strain and thinking on our fielders and bowlers after bowling each delivery.

9. To Spin or not to Spin: Whilst not exactly a turning wicket, Mushtaq Ahmed has had a very successful time in these conditions and his record is significantly better than his overall stats. Add to that, Ando’s lack of a genuine spinner and the necessity of making use of a combination of Symonds, Yuvraj, Waugh, Sachin etc to bowl the 5th over means more runs for us.

10. Captain Cronje: With a win percentage of 74%, third only to Lloyd and Ponting, our Captain will be at his brilliant best. His captaincy, leadership, thinking and decision making will be pivotal here.


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It’s not often that the great Sachin Tendulkar is troubled with the ball. But we possess three players who have historically done just that. McGrath has scalped Sachin’s wicket 7 times (Second joint highest) which apart from the traditional One day series, also crucially includes two wickets picked up in the World Cups, once in the final too. With this game being just as important, expect the Pigeon to put the little master under pressure from the get go. He is the master of dismissing the top order (His highest scalps all include openers) and this game should be no different. And if that doesn’t convince you enough, have a look at this compilation (Please ignore the title, not our idea).

If that’s not enough, McGrath’s partner at the other end, has picked up Sachin an additional four times. Here are some quotes from Fanie himself. More can be found at;
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/531388.html
http://naradha.in/3-bowlers-who-sent-shivers-up-and-down-sachin-tendulkar-spine/

"Allan Donald, he had a lot of pace, and because I was a little bit slower, they tried to play more shots off me, and with the away swing, in the first innings I always got wickets. In the second innings they would start blocking. In 1995 I was the best bowler in the world - No. 1 ranked. Then Allan Donald started taking more wickets, because they started attacking him and started seeing me out. It's amazing how it works if you have got a system where you have got two guys quick enough to take wickets.
County cricket taught me how to bowl the offcutter, which is what you should bowl to Tendulkar all the time. I am not talking slower balls - the fast offcutters"

Javagal Srinath: "I can remember only Fanie de Villiers, the South African fast bowler, who could think one step ahead of Sachin and beat him regularly"

Another player that who often had the upper hand against Sachin was none other than our captain, Cronje.
Sachin Tendulkar:"Honestly. I got out to Hansie more than anyone. When we played South Africa he always got me out more than Allan Donald or Shaun Pollock. It wasn't that I couldn't pick him it's just that the ball seemed to go straight to a fielder. I was going great guns in Durban one year and played some big shots against Donald and Pollock. Hansie came on and I flicked his first ball straight to leg-slip. I never knew what to do with him."










Just for those doubters about Oram’s batting ability, this is what he did to an Australian attack of McGrath, Lee, Bracken, all of whom are represented in this draft and most of them as a primary strike bowler.



Oh, and he can bowl too.

 
Team Ando​

01. Sachin Tendulkar | 15921 runs @ 45, SR: 86 | 49 100s, 96 50s
02. Mark Waugh | 8500 runs @ 39, SR: 77 | 18 100s, 50 50s
03. Ian Bell | 5416 runs @ 38, SR: 77 | 4 100s, 35 50s
04. Younis Khan | 7249 runs @ 31, SR: 75 | 7 100s, 48 50s
05. Yuvraj Singh | 8329 runs @ 36, SR: 87 | 13 100s, 51 50s | 111 wickets @ 38, SR: 45 | Econ: 5.1
06. Andrew Symonds | 5088 runs @ 40, SR: 92 | 6 100s, 30 50s | 133 wickets @ 37, SR: 44 | Econ: 5.0
07. Mark Boucher | 4686 runs @ 29, SR: 85 | 1 100s, 26 50s | 403 catches, 22 stumpings
08. Heath Streak | 2943 runs @ 29 | 239 wickets @ 29 | 1 5w, 7 4w | Econ : 4.5
09. Umar Gul | 173 wickets @ 29, SR: 34 | Econ: 5.2
10. Shane Bond | 147 wickets @ 21, SR: 29 | Econ: 4.3
11. Gavin Larsen | 113 wickets @ 35, SR: 56 | Econ: 3.8

Batting Plan

The two openers are two of the greatest the one day has seen: Sachin Tendulkar and Mark Waugh. They are capable of handling any situation possible. In this game they will be chasing a target and that makes their job even easier, they will know what exactly needs to be done and give the team a brilliant start. Following them are Ian Bell and Younis Khan, two players who have strike rates in late 70s and know how to keep the scoreboard ticking while picking the gaps. They will support one of Sachin or Mark, the ones set to play a long innings. Following them are two explosive big hitting machines in Yuvraj Singh and Andrew Symonds. Both have been brilliant match winners for their teams and are two of the greatest finishers the game has seen. Chasing a high run rate would never be an issue with them at crease. They'll be encouraged to play their natural game and we can hope for some clear hits. Supporting them is a very strong lower order of Boucher, Streak and Gul. In a tight chase you need partners who can hold the bat, hit a few if needed and rotate the strike and all these are experienced batting at the death and making crucial runs.

Bowling and Fielding Plan​

Over - Bowler
1 - Bond
2 - Streak
3 - Bond
4 - Streak
5 - Bond
6 - Streak
7 - Bond
8 - Streak
9 - Bond
10 - Gul
11 - Bond
12 - Gul
13 - Streak
14 - Gul
15 - Streak
16 - Gul
17 - Streak
18 - Gul
19 - Streak
20 - Gul
21 - Larsen
22 - Yuvraj
23 - Larsen
24 - Yuvraj
25 - Larsen
26 - Yuvraj
27 - Larsen
28 - Yuvraj
29 - Symonds
30 - Yuvraj
31 - Symonds
32 - Streak
33 - Symonds
34 - Streak
35 - Symonds
36 - Larsen
37 - Symonds
38 - Larsen
39 - Yuvraj
40 - Larsen
41 - Yuvraj
42 - Larsen
43 - Gul
44 - Bond
45 - Gul
46 - Bond
47 - Gul
48 - Bond
49 - Gul
50 - Bond

Spread:
Shane Bond: 10 overs
Umar Gul: 10 overs
Heath Streak: 10 overs
Gavin Larsen: 8 overs
Yuvraj Singh: 7 overs
Andrew Symonds: 5 overs
Backups: Mark Waugh and Sachin Tendulkar

Keeper : Mark Boucher
Slips : Mark Waugh, Sachin Tendulkar
Inner Off-Side : Andrew Symonds, Yuvraj Singh, Ian Bell

The bowling is spearheaded by one of the greatest one day fast bowlers - Shane Bond. No need to elaborate on his exploit against the Aussies. He bowls quick, accurate, sharp and miserly as his stats above tell. He is complimented by the African workhorse Heath Streak the one who carried the ZIM attack singlehandedly for years. His work rate, accuracy and control will compliment Bond's explosiveness well. Gul will bowl his first spell inside the fielding restrictions with Larsen handling the middle overs with support from Yuvraj and Symonds. Larsen's insane economy from one end will give the other two the freedom to attack the batsmen without worrying about a couple of boundaries. Gul and Bond will bowl in the death. Gul has an unplayable yorker and him and Bond will be a tough ask to play at the end.

IN THIS MATCH

Bond and Streak bowling first in these conditions would be a dangerous proposition to face. Kiwi conditions have had historically low scoring one dayers specially with the away team batting first, and Bond in his home conditions will strike against the opposition early, and that could be crucial.

Yousuf and Kane are fine batsmen, though Cronje was more of a support act than someone who can carry an innings. Batting first, they need someone to be explosive while finishing the first innings, and that is something that might be difficult against my bowling unit. Raina's weakness against short bowling will hurt him with Bond and Gul both using the bounce effectively. The lack of a strong finish may restrict their score and make the task of my batsmen a bit easier.

Batting second, our openers will give a really strong start to the chase, which is likely to be a low one on this surface and without the pressure of a high RRR from the start, the two openers can easily get settled and build a strong platform.

Having finishers of the calibre of Symonds and Yuvraj will make the difference here. Contrary to the other team, we have the players to see the game through without any apparent weakness. Symonds in particular strikes at 114 runs per 100 balls, his personal best of all the conditions.

Lastly, having a long tail is again a massive boost while handling a chase and we have just the players to provide that extra few runs at the end.

All in all, could be a close game but I believe we have quality in critical positions for this game and specially given the fact we are fielding first and batting second suits the game of most of our key players. Good luck @Mani and @Ijazz17
 
@Rado_N could you make this poll please:

Title: Who will win the ODI?

Option 1: Mani
Option 2: Aldo

Vote options: can only pick 1 choice, votes can be changed, votes are public.

Thanks.
 
Y.Singh average is poor in NZ condition at 21.27 on contrary S.Raina our LMO batsmen averages @ 63.80, we got better finishers comparatively and batting second you can't rely on Yuvraj Singh in these conditions.
 
And that 50 over spell from Aldo:lol:
And Aldo no plan-B in case anything goes wrong?
 
Very hard to look past the 1-2 of the opening pair of Sachin-Waugh and middle-lower order of Yuvraj- Symonds.
 
crappycraperson said:
Very hard to look past the 1-2 of the opening pair of Sachin-Waugh and middle-lower order of Yuvraj- Symonds.
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Again its Sachin vs Mcgrath, and some of the crucial matches( 1999 super sixer and 2003 WC final) Mcgrath had bettered Sachin, over all Mcgrath had picked priced sachin wkt 7 times.
Y.Singh average is poor in NZ condition which mean he can't rely too much on him while they chase.
 
I think one team clearly has an advantage with the bat, while the other team has a superior bowling attack.
 
@Mani Stadiums are indicative of conditions. Taking the record in 10 ODIs and using that to say player x > y isnt right. There's no part of the world where Raina is close to Yuvraj's level.
 
Mani said:
Again its Sachin vs Mcgrath, and some of the crucial matches( 1999 super sixer and 2003 WC final) Mcgrath had bettered Sachin, over all Mcgrath had picked priced sachin wkt 7 times.
Y.Singh average is poor in NZ condition which mean he can't rely too much on him while they chase.
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Mcgrath marginally got better of Sachin.. I will give you that.
 
Varun said:
@Mani Stadiums are indicative of conditions. Taking the record in 10 ODIs and using that to say player x > y isnt right. There's no part of the world where Raina is close to Yuvraj's level.
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I know that but anyway we have to go with the available stats considering both had played 11-12 matches in NZ condition,where S.Raina is much better
 
@Aldo's tactics are incredible. Love the effort!
 
Varun said:
@Mani Stadiums are indicative of conditions. Taking the record in 10 ODIs and using that to say player x > y isnt right. There's no part of the world where Raina is close to Yuvraj's level.
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Not sure what the point of naming the stadiums is then?
 
Voted for Mani because I think that while the conditions in NZ are bowler friendly they can be absolutely lethal to the bowling teams if you don't get wickets, I don't think that Team Ando has a lot of wickets in it apart from Bond. Also Mani has probably the only bowling lineup that can negate the Sachin factor.
 
crappycraperson said:
Mcgrath marginally got better of Sachin.. I will give you that.
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So has Fanie, and Cronje and Anderson, although the latter probably more in Tests. The only big player I see in his top 4 who might trouble us is Waugh, which we've clearly admitted to in our write-up. The rest of them have either struggled here, not rated well enough or struggled against certain bowlers.
 
Surprised that Yuvraj has no good record here. I remember one game in 09 (Christchurch maybe) where Yuvraj scored 90 from 60 or something. Sachin scored about 160 or so before retiring hurt too iirc. I still remember being surprised that India took the batting powerplay in 20-25 overs, when most teams used to take it very late.
 
For anyone who have not seen much of Fanni Di Villiers,



Spectacular bowler, started his career so late at 29 yrs and we are lucky to see him for 5 yrs or so and all those 5 yrs are golden.
One of my favorite bowler from that 90's SA team.
 
Akshay said:
I have to say I love both these write ups. The shocking exposure of Tendulkar the fraud to Aldo's pre-match determination of every over's bowler. I take my hat off to the four of you.
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I read the write up for the first time when it was sent to skills. It's Aldo at his finest, won't take credit away from him:lol:
 
prath92 said:
Surprised that Yuvraj has no good record here. I remember one game in 09 (Christchurch maybe) where Yuvraj scored 90 from 60 or something. Sachin scored about 160 or so before retiring hurt too iirc. I still remember being surprised that India took the batting powerplay in 20-25 overs, when most teams used to take it very late.
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Stadiums are indicative of the conditions. Let's not make this thing a joke by deciding it based on 10 games played in NZL over a career spanning hundreds of ODIs.
 
As great as Aldo's openers are, at the same time lets not underestimate how fecking shite Ian Bell is.
 
As far as I recall conditions are supposed to give an indication of how the game would pan out and player's comfortability with those conditions. I remember saying in the test draft as well that conditions in NZ are very unique and the way ball moves around so much is not a common sight in any of the other 7 venues. England comes close, but it's still deemed batsmen friendly once you see out the new ball.
 
Most stadiums in NZ have very short boundaries these days imo which wasn't the case about 10-15 years back. There are 51m boundaries these days for gods sake. Not sure how to account for that though. Wellington is a reasonable sized ground but Auckland Christchurch and all are imo smaller than some school grounds these days.
 
Ijazz17 said:
As far as I recall conditions are supposed to give an indication of how the game would pan out and player's comfortability with those conditions. I remember saying in the test draft as well that conditions in NZ are very unique and the way ball moves around so much is not a common sight in any of the other 7 venues. England comes close, but it's still deemed batsmen friendly once you see out the new ball.
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Personally these are the factors that come to my mind for each country:
  • Australia - Quick, bouncy but overall batsmen friendly ground. Massive boundaries - so you need good runners between wickets, as you might not get full value for your shots (good runners will benefit).
  • England - some movement early on, generally flat and batsmen friendly after.
  • India - flat pitches, very quick outfields. Poor SG ball.
  • Pakistan - Quick, but overall batsmen friendly. Reverse swing is a factor.
  • Sri Lanka - slow, low pitches. More spinner friendly than either India or Pakistna.
  • South Africa - see England + high altitude. Easier to clear boundaries.
  • New Zealand - swinging and seaming pitches. Very short boundaries, really quick outfields.
  • West Indies - see Pakistan.
 
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