That's the key bit though, how long was his prime? 4, 5 years at Milan? The trio you mentioned were in their prime for 10 years, maybe even longer.
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That's the key bit though, how long was his prime? 4, 5 years at Milan? The trio you mentioned were in their prime for 10 years, maybe even longer.
Came so close to joining United too thanks to @Spoony
One of my favorites, too bad he came too late. He was also a perfect idol for kids and teenagers.. better than Beckham.
Fans always talk about his injuries, but professionals talk about tactical system evolution.
Number 10's after 2008 were actually a tasteless role and no team succeeded at the highest level with a player in the number 10 role, because it was considered a 'natural hole' in midfield for coaches, hence nr 10's disappeared.
And I can give directly Real Madrid as an example.. when did they won the UCL again? After Ancelotti get rid of Kaka and Ozil! Coincidence?
Another example... a year later James Rodriguez and Kross were bought, both were players in the 10 role, but what happened? Kross retreated in midfield and succeeded, but James was a failure.
However, Guardiola recently at City, before getting Haaland, their offensive seemed to use the nr 10's roles again, De Bruyne and Bernardo Silva at times roaming around in that role, so maybe it will make a comeback in the future.
Fans always talk about his injuries, but professionals talk about tactical system evolution.
Number 10's after 2008 were actually a tasteless role and no team succeeded at the highest level with a player in the number 10 role, because it was considered a 'natural hole' in midfield for coaches, hence nr 10's disappeared.
And I can give directly Real Madrid as an example.. when did they won the UCL again? After Ancelotti get rid of Kaka and Ozil! Coincidence?
Another example... a year later James Rodriguez and Kross were bought, both were players in the 10 role, but what happened? Kross retreated in midfield and succeeded, but James was a failure.
However, Guardiola recently at City, before getting Haaland, their offensive seemed to use the nr 10's roles again, De Bruyne and Bernardo Silva at times roaming around in that role, so maybe it will make a comeback in the future.
Who the feck was Ode? Don't remember him playing with Kaka.
Pure career killer
Brazil wasn't poor the whole tournament, they were poor only against France, they did look great the whole tournament until that game.
Their midfield got destroyed by Zidane and Makelele, and R9 and Dinho got trashed by Lilian Thuram.
It was a very hard game against such high quality players, no matter the favoritism Brazil had in the preview.
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And Benzema, Xabi Alonso and Albiol!
A blast from the past breezed into Carrington today. One of my favorite players of the mid-noughties and Balon D'Or winner 2007. Although great in that Milan team he never quite went on to improve to GOAT status like CR7 at Real Madrid. I remember he was unplayable against us in that CL tie for Milan in 2007.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...news/man-united-news-kaka-carrington-24935009
what are your thoughts ?
Kaka was a beautiful footballer. Very unique. I can’t think of anyone who glided on the pitch like him.
Only 1 player had more than 3 goals, Klose,
Not how I remember it, but then I was comparing them to Brazil of 98, they weren’t close imo. They didn’t look a class above the rest.
Next United midfielder coach
Great player, just had a shit name.
Phenomenal player between 2005 and 2009, brilliant to watch. He had insane acceleration, you just couldn't stop him once he got going. He always spoke fondly of United and was keen on joining us in 2008 I believe, it's a shame the Glazers kept the purse strings tight back then.
From the picture in the OP it looks like we finally succeeded.
They wanted Kaka but got Bellamy
Some one to one coaching for Bruno hopefully
Some one to one coaching for Bruno hopefully
They had a lot of players at the end of their careers/prime in that tournament. France were the same but they had a more balanced team and a last-hurrah vibe in how they performed.
Brazil were actually better in 2010 despite not having the big names anymore and should've beaten the Netherlands in the quarter-finals.
He's one of my favourites. Classy. He wasn't fast, or especially gracious or tricky, but he was immensely effective.
I love Kaka @hellhunter
I know mate, I know
There is definitely an odour that comes from poo.
The problem with Kaka is that he was overshadowed by bigger names in Brazil NT in 2006, and by the time his time came up to carry the NT in 2010, he was already past it due to injuries.
His prime years also coincided with Calciopoli scandal in Italy.
For how brilliant he was, he only really has that 2007 CL win to show for it.
The only other big trophies he won were the 2004 Serie A and 2012 La Liga with Real Madrid, where he wasn't really a big factor anymore and was a bench player.
He also technically won the WC 2002, but didn't play a single minute.
I think history won't be kind to him.
Ironically, Adriano who was born in the same year as Kaka in 1982 will probably ended up being remembered more, even though he had an ever shorter prime and won less, but had a more iconic presence and charisma.
Ronaldinho was no longer at his peak back then. He ghosted on the 2006 WC and that was the begining of the end for him.
His prime years also coincided with Calciopoli scandal in Italy.
For how brilliant he was, he only really has that 2007 CL win to show for it.
The only other big trophies he won were the 2004 Serie A and 2012 La Liga with Real Madrid, where he wasn't really a big factor anymore and was a bench player.
He also technically won the WC 2002, but didn't play a single minute.
I think history won't be kind to him.
Ironically, Adriano who was born in the same year as Kaka in 1982 will probably ended up being remembered more, even though he had an ever shorter prime and won less, but had a more iconic presence and charisma.
Ronaldinho was no longer at his peak back then. He ghosted on the 2006 WC and that was the begining of the end for him.
No.
I'm sure he will be. Adriano is seen as a legend in Brazil and still gets attention, is invited on talk shows etc. He is also Inter legend.
People look up his highlight reel all the time. There's more videos being made about him than Kaka.
There's also the legendary video of Ibrahimović talking about Adriano as the best talent ever.
In 10, 20 years time people are still going to talk about Adriano. Not sure how many will mention Kaka. Even in that Milan team that won the CL he was surrounded by Milan legends who are going to be remembered more.
Kaka just never had the charisma and mystique of Adriano.
This is ridiculous. Kaka is and was way more famous globally than Adriano. Kaka was one of the most marketable players in his peak because of his elegant playing style and good looks. Adriano doesn't come close in terms of popularity.
Fergie looks a bit fecked off meeting him in the photograph. Perhaps angry about 2007!
Anyway, I think that Kaka was an outstanding player. A perfect blend of grace and murder. Had it not been for injuries at Real, it could have been a lot better.
Kaka's blind faith in Bolsonaro is exceptionally disappointing. Quite a few Brazilian players cosied up to it.
The review credited Henry as the decisive influence (he scored the winner), but it was the likes of Zizou, Thuram and Makelele which truly led France in 2006.
Anyway, I think that Kaka was an outstanding player. A perfect blend of grace and murder. Had it not been for injuries at Real, it could have been a lot better.
Kaka's blind faith in Bolsonaro is exceptionally disappointing. Quite a few Brazilian players cosied up to it.
The review credited Henry as the decisive influence (he scored the winner), but it was the likes of Zizou, Thuram and Makelele which truly led France in 2006.
Injuries were literally the only problem with Kaka.
He was unstoppable without them, he was the perfect version of a number 10.
He had absolutely everything, few throughout history had his vision, passing, technique, creativity and the ability to score from anywhere, how many had all of that plus his sheer pace and power?
Genuinely feels like you’re out to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, its just a footy forum so not a big deal, just don’t see the point, honestly.
Adriano was supremely talented but he never managed to fulfill his potential, there’s many cases like Adriano throughout history, we tend to remember the ones that went and fulfilled their potential and won stuff.
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No club really captures the essence of peak Champions League heritage quite like AC Milan. There's just something about that club. Beautiful. Classy.
I get what you mean but it’s Kaka’s legacy over Adriano by a distance. Everyone wanted to be Kaka.
Should be annoyed about Evra going full kamikaze!
He played in Sao Paulo too in a great level. As a number 10 Kaka was a better player and clearly more talented, yet he never felt like a player with a very strong mentality.
I always thought of Lampard and Gerrard more like classic 8s, box to box with goals in them and generous in their pressuring tasks.
The Ginger was such a fantastic and an odd player, more like a player's player, but Kaka felt closer to a phneom than the Ginger was.
That Gen with Kaka, Rivaldo and RG was great, they were very different, but all of them phenoms.
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I can't even remember what Adriano looks like, who he played for or what position he played in. What an icon.
He played 25 minutes in fairness.
Again, No.
It's becoming quite obvious by now that a certain poster in this thread is a wum. I've seen a lot of takes in the past few days that are laughable even for the Caf at its absolute worst, and every time it turns out to be the same user. Looking at their post history confirms the suspicion.
Kaka is second only to Gaucho in the ranking of most popular Brazilian player of the early 2000s. Everybody wanted to be Either Ronaldinho or Kaka. I'm a fan of Adriano but Kaka is well ahead of him in terms of popularity.
That assertion about Adriano being more of an icon than Kaká is true in Brazil; he's extremely overrated around here; you can very often find people claiming that he'd be as good as R9 if he hadn't lost his mind after his dad's death and other insanities like that.
Also, he's one of the biggests icons of Flamengo, the club with the biggest fanbase in Brazil. Although São Paulo fans like Kaká a lot, the level of admiration is not even close to Adriano's from Flamengo fans(which is fair, since Kaká wasn't as important for us).
Also, he's one of the biggests icons of Flamengo, the club with the biggest fanbase in Brazil. Although São Paulo fans like Kaká a lot, the level of admiration is not even close to Adriano's from Flamengo fans(which is fair, since Kaká wasn't as important for us).
Not gracious!
I don’t know how you defined "grace", but Kaka was as graceful a player as any in the last 30 years. Of course, a tad behind Ronaldinho and Ronaldo, but I haven't seen many Brazilian players glide past players with more sublime grace than Kaka. It was effortless. Of course, players like Zidane, Ronaldinho, Messi, etc had more tricks up their sleeves.
Yes, his peak was very short, so he'd never be in the mix of truly great players in history books.
Adriano was more popular than Kaka in early 00s.
He had 99 shot power, everyone was talking about him expecting him to be the next thing.
Even after he faded he was still hugely popular in Brazil.
One of the things that Adriano has over Kaka is that he was the main man in the Copa America 2004 victory, where Kaka didn't even play, therefore bringing the glory of winning an international tournament for Brazil, something Kaka never managed.
That achievement really skyrocketed his popularity and then he had a great season at Inter. Nothing that Kaka did afterwards would elevate him to the same heights.
Then you also have Ibrahimović praising Adriano as the best talent he ever played with, which is a huge compliment considering Ibrahimović played with some of the best players ever including Messi. He described Adriano simply as "pure animal".
Listen to Ibra talk about Adriano, you will never hear him talk this way about any other player:
If you think Kaka was a bigger star than Adriano you clearly haven't followed football around 2004 when Adriano hype was on.
Kaka got more recognition in the second half of the 00s after Adriano faded, but he never really had that factor that would make him the same level of star and enigmatic player. He had a brief time when he was seen as the best player in 2007 after Ronaldinho went out of prime and just before Ronaldo and Messi took over. He was basically a transitional superstar so to speak.
Also as this poster pointed out, Adriano is still more popular than Kaka in Brazil:
Thank you for pointing this out.
I follow Adriano on social media and he seems to be hugely popular. He's a legend for both Flamengo and Inter.
He's so popular that they still invite him on talk shows about football even though he doesn't even follow football anymore. I heard that they had him for some show when Man City - Inter CL final was on and asked him if Haaland is a better striker than he was in his prime and Adriano didn't even know who Haaland is.
Flamengo fans still have an Adriano banner on their games.
https://s2-ge.glbimg.com/uo6l44Uw3e.../z/g7nR3dSHSIpPMngmGSAw/img1863297.172301.jpg
Look how they honor him!
He had 99 shot power, everyone was talking about him expecting him to be the next thing.
Even after he faded he was still hugely popular in Brazil.
One of the things that Adriano has over Kaka is that he was the main man in the Copa America 2004 victory, where Kaka didn't even play, therefore bringing the glory of winning an international tournament for Brazil, something Kaka never managed.
That achievement really skyrocketed his popularity and then he had a great season at Inter. Nothing that Kaka did afterwards would elevate him to the same heights.
Then you also have Ibrahimović praising Adriano as the best talent he ever played with, which is a huge compliment considering Ibrahimović played with some of the best players ever including Messi. He described Adriano simply as "pure animal".
Listen to Ibra talk about Adriano, you will never hear him talk this way about any other player:
If you think Kaka was a bigger star than Adriano you clearly haven't followed football around 2004 when Adriano hype was on.
Kaka got more recognition in the second half of the 00s after Adriano faded, but he never really had that factor that would make him the same level of star and enigmatic player. He had a brief time when he was seen as the best player in 2007 after Ronaldinho went out of prime and just before Ronaldo and Messi took over. He was basically a transitional superstar so to speak.
Also as this poster pointed out, Adriano is still more popular than Kaka in Brazil:
Thank you for pointing this out.
I follow Adriano on social media and he seems to be hugely popular. He's a legend for both Flamengo and Inter.
He's so popular that they still invite him on talk shows about football even though he doesn't even follow football anymore. I heard that they had him for some show when Man City - Inter CL final was on and asked him if Haaland is a better striker than he was in his prime and Adriano didn't even know who Haaland is.
Flamengo fans still have an Adriano banner on their games.
https://s2-ge.glbimg.com/uo6l44Uw3e.../z/g7nR3dSHSIpPMngmGSAw/img1863297.172301.jpg
Look how they honor him!
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That Adriano might be more popular in Brazil, doesn't make him a better player than Kaka, nor more known worldwide and nobody knows how both names would endure in such a logically Eurocentric global game (many people don't know how fecking great was someone like Reinaldo for instance or even nowadays do not give enough credit to such a maverick Zico was).
The thing with Brazilian football more than any country, it's that you have to "deliver" for the NT (not fair, heavily romanticized, but it is what it is). The way Adriano made Brazil win the Copa in 2004 was so clutch that it won't be forgotten. On the other hand, Kaka never could replicate his best version (for various reasons, many far from his fault) for Brazil.
Even Rivaldo was questioned prior to his great 2002 WC.
Also Adriano it's not a church/frat boy so he would logically be more "appealing" to the majority of Brazilians. This combination is very powerful in SA countries in general, you wouldn't believe till not many years ago how beloved Cannigia was and still is, even thye Press might put him in a Top 10 ever argie players with no Sivori, or Di Stefano and Cannigia in it. I guess that sthg similar happens with Adriano in Brazil with the addition that in Adriano's case, at some point he totally showed his best level in a regular way and he was quite the fecking player.
The thing with Brazilian football more than any country, it's that you have to "deliver" for the NT (not fair, heavily romanticized, but it is what it is). The way Adriano made Brazil win the Copa in 2004 was so clutch that it won't be forgotten. On the other hand, Kaka never could replicate his best version (for various reasons, many far from his fault) for Brazil.
Even Rivaldo was questioned prior to his great 2002 WC.
Also Adriano it's not a church/frat boy so he would logically be more "appealing" to the majority of Brazilians. This combination is very powerful in SA countries in general, you wouldn't believe till not many years ago how beloved Cannigia was and still is, even thye Press might put him in a Top 10 ever argie players with no Sivori, or Di Stefano and Cannigia in it. I guess that sthg similar happens with Adriano in Brazil with the addition that in Adriano's case, at some point he totally showed his best level in a regular way and he was quite the fecking player.
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