The fans are rarely united on anything. You could pick any issue and some fans would argue against it and others would support it. Therefore you could pick anything the club has done and say that "the fans knew it".
Occasions where the clueless fans were spectacularly right
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I wanted Mount and still do.
I'm clueless and I've always wanted:
- Replacements to Casemiro and Eriksen (it's ok if they're worse as long as they have a good age for development), and not Sabitzer/Mount
- Amad to be made a first teamer ahead of Antony and Rashford in selection. And Ten Hag to stop playing Bruno on the right
- Sancho to be let go the first time he had a beef with Ten Hag
I think I was mostly right. And those aren't hindsights either.
- Replacements to Casemiro and Eriksen (it's ok if they're worse as long as they have a good age for development), and not Sabitzer/Mount
- Amad to be made a first teamer ahead of Antony and Rashford in selection. And Ten Hag to stop playing Bruno on the right
- Sancho to be let go the first time he had a beef with Ten Hag
I think I was mostly right. And those aren't hindsights either.
Re-signing Rashford. I said we should have let him walk on a free because we can’t have someone who performs well for 3 months every 2-3 years.
Yep, but hey, here we are….spectacularly right!
This.
I disagree with this entirely.
1. We all knew that Moyes is not good enough
2. We all knew that Solskjaer is not good enough
3. We all knew that Mount is wrong transfer on many levels
4. We all knew that we need proven striker
2. We all knew that Solskjaer is not good enough
3. We all knew that Mount is wrong transfer on many levels
4. We all knew that we need proven striker
Easiest thing in the football world to sit there and say ‘this won’t work’, ‘that will fail’ etc. Then pile in when a player, manager, referee makes a mistake, or a team loses a game.
These errors are actually normal
In football, as in life, things go wrong. People (being human) make mistakes, teams lose games, not every club wins a trophy.
Football wouldn’t be the game we all love if it was a game of perfect, it would be terribly boring.
As terribly boring as giving it the ‘I told you so’ when the statistically probable happens.
In recent times... shouldn't have brought in Ronaldo, Casemiro & Varane, it was too soon to extend Ole's contract and the mega contract that we gave Rashford.
There are mistakes and then there are mistakes... extending Ole I can understand. Buying Casemiro & Varane when we had enough data & prior experience is just incompetence.
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I was adamant De Ligt and Casemiro wouldn't join. So I was wrong.
I was right about Amrabat being shite though
I was right about Amrabat being shite though
The Mount example is an interesting one.
Granted the majority were against the transfer, but I'm probably part of a small minority who still thinks he could yet prove to be a good signing for us. Just so happens that the universe has aligned for him to start to shine in a new setup which should on paper suit his strengths, providing he can stay fit of course. If that reality comes to fruition I can consider myself one of the minority who were proved right
As for managers, think there were a few of us who thought Solskjaer should have been sacked after the Europa League final when it was clear he wasnt that guy.
Granted the majority were against the transfer, but I'm probably part of a small minority who still thinks he could yet prove to be a good signing for us. Just so happens that the universe has aligned for him to start to shine in a new setup which should on paper suit his strengths, providing he can stay fit of course. If that reality comes to fruition I can consider myself one of the minority who were proved right
As for managers, think there were a few of us who thought Solskjaer should have been sacked after the Europa League final when it was clear he wasnt that guy.
I guess it’s interesting to see the ones where it’s a clear majority saying something.
For example, most people were likely excited by Pogba whereas Maguire was very 50/50 with a large % saying he wasn’t great.
Agree with a few above where the biggest ‘consensus’ was the Mount transfer when people learned he was going to be an 8. I reckon that was as close as we’ll come to the bulk of fans united on something.
We all know that youtube vids can make dogshit players look like prime Ronaldo... but one thing can't be "faked", lack of pace.
We were all more or less in agreement that Zirkzee was really slow. Most of us thought this would be a major issue unless he really excelled in all other areas, which he obviously hasn't.
So good job me and everyone else, we were correct
We were all more or less in agreement that Zirkzee was really slow. Most of us thought this would be a major issue unless he really excelled in all other areas, which he obviously hasn't.
So good job me and everyone else, we were correct
I was also recently thinking about it. Seems to me majority of the Caf would've played a proper/sealed midfield setup rather than whatever you call ETH idea of midfield, that was a major reason he was sacked in the end.
Amad is an obvious one, I can't take anyone seriously who would suggest he wasn't out of favour last season.
Strongly disagree with Mount. It might have been a wrong idea, but I still think he's a good player and there seems to be an obvious role for him to play in Amorim's 343, so let's see. So far he's a failure undoubtedly, but because of injuries what I don't think anyone would've predicted.
Amad is an obvious one, I can't take anyone seriously who would suggest he wasn't out of favour last season.
Strongly disagree with Mount. It might have been a wrong idea, but I still think he's a good player and there seems to be an obvious role for him to play in Amorim's 343, so let's see. So far he's a failure undoubtedly, but because of injuries what I don't think anyone would've predicted.
My thoughts at this difficult time for the 15% who wanted to keep ten Hag.
This period must be hell for them.
This period must be hell for them.
This is not a ETH bashing thread but then goes onto actually bash him in the first sentence.
The years where we wanted to sign a central midfielder
Yeap, it's international week alright.
And here we are now in 2024, having not won it for eleven fecking years.
Think the polls suggest it was closer to 50-50.
I don't remember many decisions that people on here have been overwhelmingly against. Usually it leans one way or the other but not to the extremes. Even with Mason Mount the thread wasn't too unbalanced when we were signing him. I think with supporting a football team you have to have a bit of faith to make it worth it. (That paid off a lot more under Fergie when he so often proved people wrong!)
There were quite a few who thought and said that, can't recall much major stick ensuing. Although we were far from a majority.
OGS had clear majority support until things fell apart in his last season.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/unpopular-opinion-ronaldo-will-be-a-huge-miss.465183/
mods had to lock the thread after a while.
To be fair...I don't think we should get too carried away about Amad just yet...we've played Leicester and PAOK and he still drifts around the fringes of games.
I rate him, and I'd play a traffic cone over Marcus Rashford, but to say the fans are "spectacularly right" is premature
And on that note...I have been saying how Rashford was wildly erratic and at best a mid-level PL player since about 2018/2019. With me in-charge, we'd have banked £80m+ for him when we had the chance.
That was started after the transfer came through though, when it required a special level of willingness for self-harm to raise that point. I suspect you would find a more diverse set of views if you look at the ones that ran when City's interest became known and while it was being negotiated.
He was right, though I do think people massively oversimplify Ole's time here by saying Ronaldo ruined the project.
Another way of viewing it is that the careful matching Ten Hag, Fletcher, Van Nistelrooy et al gave Diallo after his lon nd injury, has resulted in him now blossoming, whereas if he was thrown into the team as a regular in January it might have turned out that the fans were spectacularily wrong to want to rush him into a malfunctioning team straight from injury and before he was ready. It’s difficult to be very sure about these things.
This is a great thread for illustrating how people rewrite even quite recent history to fit their current views.
In principle you are right but I have been under the impression that Amad has been given a different role with RVN, to me it seemed like he was used as a playmaker more than a wide player. Now maybe there is some confirmation bias on my part since I believe that he is better suited in that kind of role, I could see him develop like a smaller Di Maria.
He's been sacked, you can all relax. It wasn't a dream, we have a new manager.
Nah I'm sorry, if you don't want a ETH bashing thread don't start me on Amad.. Rant incoming
Ten Hag really was a complete and utter plank when it came to Amad
started something like 4 or first 5, had some good and bad moments as all young players do.. was looking kinda promising to kick on
then didn't start him for rest of his tenure, which was what 15 more games?
how are young players supposed to grow and thrive under those conditions? Absolute twat
I could understand if it was someone kinda meh like Elanga, who weirdly he seemed to play more than the performances justified. But Amad just so clearly has something a bit special about his ability, and for the betterment of the club he should be given chances to develop
Ten Hag really was a complete and utter plank when it came to Amad
started something like 4 or first 5, had some good and bad moments as all young players do.. was looking kinda promising to kick on
then didn't start him for rest of his tenure, which was what 15 more games?
how are young players supposed to grow and thrive under those conditions? Absolute twat
I could understand if it was someone kinda meh like Elanga, who weirdly he seemed to play more than the performances justified. But Amad just so clearly has something a bit special about his ability, and for the betterment of the club he should be given chances to develop
- A fair few were sounding the Mourinho bell of it being a short term thing and many disagreed (including me). They were right.
- Maguire being a horrible choice of target if we were willing to spend 80m on a CB.
- Resigning Ronaldo was a mistake. Was ultimately true but I do think him being the main cause of our demise that first season was really overblown.
- Mount being our primary midfield target. Not crossing my fingers that one turns around but personally I was screaming from the mountaintops that it was a stupid move both financially and personnel wise.
- Maguire being a horrible choice of target if we were willing to spend 80m on a CB.
- Resigning Ronaldo was a mistake. Was ultimately true but I do think him being the main cause of our demise that first season was really overblown.
- Mount being our primary midfield target. Not crossing my fingers that one turns around but personally I was screaming from the mountaintops that it was a stupid move both financially and personnel wise.
I thought we no longer had a manager
Is this the ‘even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day’ thread?
Worse, it appears the stopped clock is congratulating itself for doing so.
The Dutch have a good saying, ‘hindsight is looking a cow up the arse’. Now stick those gladioli up there as well.
I hope that it's not an actual saying.
So I guess EtH is currently in his garden tending his flowers covered in cow shit