Not good enough for Manchester United

The only player who is apparently good enough (unanimously) is Joao Felix, who I’m convinced a very small portion of fans have seen even one full match of. Oh, and De Ligt, who is brilliant.

Ultimately, we’re all best ignored more often than not.
 
Cal? said:
Trying to sign up and comers hasn't worked either.

There's something seriously wrong with the scouting system at the club. How is it that the majority of the Caf are more clued up than them. Most people here wanted Fabinho and not Fred, plenty didn't want Lukaku. :(
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I highly doubt getting Lukaku and Fred was a ‘scouting’ problem.
 
not good enough for Manchester United? Just how many of our current squad are you referring to exactly?
 
Rozay said:
I was very vocal on my admiration for Wijnaldum when he was at Newcastle. Really wanted us to sign him, and he’d be brilliant here.
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Would've been perfect. And I suspect we'll be saying the same about Declan Rice if we don't sign him.
 
None of the current squad players is good enough, aside for De Gea. He kept us in the games so many times, won our best player award for a few years now.

But our best player shouldn’t be our GK. Who else agrees? Says a lot about this squad.
 
De Gea
Pogba

as starters

Lindelof
Shaw
Rashford

as backups

Rest wouldn't look out of place at Everton
 
Couple of people have been harsh on Wijnaldum tbf, he is a very underrated player.

The key for you, as others have said, is getting a playing system and identity in place first, and buying for the system over the next 2-3 years. Every player has strengths and weaknesses and the right system is all about accentuating the strengths and making their weaknesses less exposed. Klopp’s Liverpool is a brilliant example of how that’s done, it’s nothing special on paper really. They identified two or three positions that are crucial to their system and went out and bought world class players in them, the others have all been a similar profile of somewhere between 22 and 26 years old, high energy and posting solid stats for smaller profile clubs. A galactico policy with no system in place will always come second to that.

There is no reason Utd can’t follow that methodology successfully, it’s just whether you believe Ole is the right man to bring the system. I can’t believe that your scouts are terrible, my guess is they just lack a consistent profile of player to look out for.
 
The problem is there are a lot of players right now who are good enough for United only most fans believe we are still the top dogs which is why they don't rate certain players.

I'd rather have guys who work their asses off and have a lot of potential so we can improve in stead of "big" players who are full of themselves, have commercial value and blame everybody for failure but themselves. Commercial value for a club is winning, not how many followers you have on instagram
 
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There are many players that are "not good enough" for Man Utd last summer did really well this season

-Lucas Digne £18m (barca reject)
-James Maddison £25m (not proven in PL)
-Joao Moutinho £5m (31, pass the hill, not even good enough for Monaco)
-Ricardo Pereira £20m (Leicester is his level)

They are more than good enough for Arsenal though. Something is very wrong with Arsenal scout department too. We really can do with Digne and Pereira.
 
I think people are being a little hard on Lucas due to his early promise turning into well, nothing of note. I thought the same thing when we signed him but he has improved a lot in the time he has been with us, minly his desision making. We paid only £25M for a player just coming into his prime years and fully expect him to improve more next season. Is he a world beater? No, but you cant have 11 world class players on the pitch week in week out, and to score a hatrick in the CL Semi final shows he is well capible of producing at the top level.
 
RG 11 said:
De Gea
Pogba

as starters

Lindelof
Shaw
Rashford

as backups

Rest wouldn't look out of place at Everton
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Spot on really.

In reality though, we are not going to banish the rest in one/two windows. Lindelof, Shaw and Rashford will be starters next year due to how much deadwood we need to shift.

I'd give Martial another season, it's make or break for him. He will start under OGS I feel rather than being benched and left out like he was under Jose. He needs to prove his worth and if not, sell him.
 
Almost any PL player who can run and press for 90 minutes is an upgrade on the current ones we have.
 
Currently Manchester United isn't a good destination for top players, anyway the problem with pretending to sign only super stars is that you would end up with a team with little cohesion. So functionality should be prioritized and for that you would also need some identity and defined style.
 
Lots of fans have different views on players. I like a player with plenty of fight and will give their all for the full 90 minutes every game. Gawd, we need plenty of this type of player right now.
 
Decomposing In Paris said:
The idea that Matic, Sanchez, and particularly Antonio Valencia, have "never been good enough" is just disrespectful. Perhaps you meant to word it differently.
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The current versions that United bought, A 29 year old money grabbing injury proun Alexis, A converted aging once pretty good right winger, Antonio Valencia who has been too busy being on the front page of newspapers chasing women, when the club saw fit to make him club captain and he can't even speak English! You may have a point that the 'Titanic' Turning Matic was probably just above average in his first season but now rapidly declining and he simply can not get round the pitch, not good enough for Chelsea but good enough for United.
Are you sure, that I might want to rethink what I said?
 
Well Matic was good enough for Chelsea when they won the league, Valencia (whilst never being a direct replacement for Ronaldo) was certainly good enough for us as a right-winger and then had a couple of seasons at RB where he was excellent... he won our player of the year award into the bargain. Sanchez was an incredible player in Italy, for Chile and Barcelona, and one of the best in the Premier League right up until the season he signed for us. So to write off their entire careers is wrong. Alexis did nothing to suggest he was "money-grabbing injury prone" before he signed for us... do you still think it really was Pep vs Money?

You and I probably disagree less on where they stand now as contributers to the club's future, but it was your prior statement that they had never been good enough that I felt was disrespectful.
 
Starting to feel that timing has once again screwed us over.

This just doesn't feel like the right window to spend big. The targets aren't as attractive 2017 when Bernardo Silva, Keita, Laporte, Van Dijk were in the market. Or even years before that.

No attractive RW option that we can compete for, no CB in the market that looks that great apart from De Ligt. For RB we're going to have to overspend ridiculously for Wan-Bissaka. No real spark in the midfield targets like Longstaff or even Bruno Fernandes.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Starting to feel that timing has once again screwed us over.

This just doesn't feel like the right window to spend big. The targets aren't as attractive 2017 when Bernardo Silva, Keita, Laporte, Van Dijk were in the market. Or even years before that.

No attractive RW option that we can compete for, no CB in the market that looks that great apart from De Ligt. For RB we're going to have to overspend ridiculously for Wan-Bissaka. No real spark in the midfield targets like Longstaff or even Bruno Fernandes.
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Plenty of great targets out there. They just don't want to play for United. Aside from money we can't compete with the likes of Barca atm
 
We’re definitely not as attractive to players as we used to be, out of the Champions League and not sure to qualify next season. Other clubs better options to them now I’m afraid. Hopefully some top players have United in their blood.
 
Likes of James Rodriguez and Dybala are easily good enough for Man. United in your current state. I was more surprised people saying they didn't want these established players in some threads.

Hames would be far more productive than Lingard or Mata in number 10 position while Dybala is flexible player across the front three and would be more sure bet than Martial, Rashford and Alexis Sanchez.

Think a move to Man. United would be good option for both given they're supporting cast at their current clubs (probably even less for Rodriguez now he's back at Real Madrid).
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Starting to feel that timing has once again screwed us over.

This just doesn't feel like the right window to spend big. The targets aren't as attractive 2017 when Bernardo Silva, Keita, Laporte, Van Dijk were in the market. Or even years before that.

No attractive RW option that we can compete for, no CB in the market that looks that great apart from De Ligt. For RB we're going to have to overspend ridiculously for Wan-Bissaka. No real spark in the midfield targets like Longstaff or even Bruno Fernandes.
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Don't need to spend stupid amounts on players, as long as we create a team to get top 4 and an outward perception that the club is going in the right direction. Then, when we get CL we should splash the cash on the likes of Sancho or Havertz(in theory, since we mainly spend when we do not get top 4).

RB:
Atal: Would also be our best RW if we bought him.
Meunier: Decent both ways.
Both cheaper than AWB and significantly better in the final third. That being said, if we end up spending around £40m on AWB then that will also be ok. Could perform well with space and time, given how much we focus our attack on the left.

CB: Maguire is a big nono.
Alderweireld: might be an option.
Ake: Left sided. Left-footed. VVD lig(h)t. Can pass, defend 1v1 against pacey attackers, good in the air...
And many decent options in the other leagues for £40-£50m that would suit a high press/backline and would be an upgrade on our current CBs.

CDM/CM:
Tielemans, Rabiot, VD Beek, Barella. Two of these + Pogba and we are good. Balanced midfielders that are relatively press-resistant, mobile, can pass, receive, work. All available for less than £50m each.

RW:
Ziyech. Assuming you saw Ajax in the ECL. £25m clause.
Sarabia: £15m clause. Mata with some physique. Left-footed, operate RW, CAM, LW and as a passer further back. Bargain.
 
diarm said:
Mane and Moura succeeding at Liverpool and Spurs doesn't mean either or both would have succeeded at United.

At Liverpool and Spurs they get trained according to an established and well laid out style the clubs are working towards. They have established coaches, backed by the owners and supported by quality backroom staff so they can focus on improving and motivating such players.

At United they would've had a succession of managers and coaches, each with a new style more different than the last. There would be no focus or joined up thinking about how they we're supposed to be playing and improving and they'd be constantly wondering about how long the current gaffer would be at the helm.

At Liverpool and Spurs they train with fellas like Van Dijk, Salah, Eriksen, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Milner, Eriksen, Kane and other such leaders who demand quality and improvement at every session.

At United they'd have spend the first half of training laughing at a Jones and Smalling Punch and Judy show, another while watching a Valencia and Young ankle crossing masterclass and then spent a couple of hoursr practising free kicks and celebrations. After that, they have lunch and spend the afternoon sharing design ideas for tank tops and perfume bottles.

We have and and have already let go players who could've been cracking players here. They didn't develop becauce we've an abundance of players who never had any business being anywhere near the club and because there is nobody driving the bus who has any ability to distinguish between the two.
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Exactly, many factors to a player succeeding at a club. Sanchez should be one of the best players we have had in a decade, look at Torres and Schevchenko for example at there previous clubs to Chelsea.
All these "me being right" posts are a bit embarrassing, no doubt you have been wrong about lots of players too.
Personally think Mane would have flopped for us in our current predicament and I also think Renato Sanches would have shined....but we will never know, can only really comment on players we DO sign. Obvious to me Lukaku, Fellaini, Mata wouldnt shine and obvious to me Bissaka will shine....but can only say "I was right" if we do sign him
 
Giggs86 said:
Almost any PL player who can run and press for 90 minutes is an upgrade on the current ones we have.
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Yeah, feels as though cause the Sanchez deal hasn't really worked out and people think Pogba should work harder which isn't his style, we should have a team full of Robbie Savage's!
Like I've said before, without having proper wingers, especially right wing, our system will always be flawed! Man City and Liverpool have excellent width that make them the teams they are. Spurs are starting to struggle as they have trippier who is declining and not providing them that outlet on the right and Moura plays more centrally these days!
We need players in to implement a system that works first and foremost.
Then you will see the awards being reaped with better performances all over the pitch.
 
Reading through these threads, i feel like the "not good enough for MUFC" meme has been replaced by fans demanding KPMG/Deloitte/E&Y present a cost-benefit analysis on every rumour and we can't sign X player because it "feels like too much money" :lol:
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Spoilt, out-dated mentality from those who say “not good enough for United”.

Sometimes they are right, but I’m sorry - plenty of players are good enough right now. We’ve tried shoehorning players “good enough for us” to get us from a team who looks like the definition of “random” to “title challengers” within a window.

We need to start simple again. Our goal should be to get us comfortably into top 4 again, and then go from there. There’s plenty of players out there who can improve us to the extent of us getting to that position.
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I agree but we did that under Mourinho, only City and Liverpool have been comfortable top four finishers the last few years, too many hood teams for a simple progression.
Think we have signed a few really good players shoehorned like you say as far back as Kagawa even....but, I also think we have signed a lot of really average players that arent really good enough though, just look at how many of our signings have already moved on the last five years and how poor the majority of the players in our side are as well at the moment recently signed. Without naming any, I think there are a dozen in our side that would still be average at best even under really good management and harmony....and a fair few of them seem to be gaining popularity from fans for mediocrity at best, sad state of affairs
 
Playing players in their correct positions would be a great start, for the past 5 years we have had a 10 playing RW like it’s not an issue?

Coupled with buying mediocre players with no idea of what system we are playing offensively or defensively has contributed to the state we are in.

Hopefully Ole knows what system he wants to play, buys the right players he feels will work in his system regardless of what club they play at.
 
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