Norway on verge of abolishing VAR
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The Arsenal game wasn’t even that long ago
very stupid to say lets drop VAR. The problem is how it is implemented and the human error in there. Relying more on the initial human error is absolutely horrific idea. People complain about things that wont become any better losing VAR. I like the Wenger idea of offside being if any part is on you are on versus how it is now as something that would be better. Think people can be fine with 1 cm of your entire body being off vs 1 cm of your toenail being offisde or something more.
But yeah just watching that blatant dive for the pen in the cup game or whatever shows that no VAR would be horrendous.
But yeah just watching that blatant dive for the pen in the cup game or whatever shows that no VAR would be horrendous.
So much for the notion that VAR works perfectly elsewhere.
There’s definitely a gulf between people who go to games and those who watch on telly on this one. In the Scandis/Nordics they take into account the experience of those who actually turn up to support their team. In the PL they really don’t give a shit.
Bear in mind VAR in Norway is not the same as in the PL. Less cameras means less angles covered, potentially ending in very wrong calls often even with VAR. Also the stoppage time due to VAR checks have been very large, probably due to the lack of good camera angles. To improve that cost a lot of money, money which the Norwegian league doesn't generate.
I don’t know anybody who likes it. It should be put to a vote Brexit style, only with the right option winning this time hopefully.
Might stop watching football altogether now if VAR leaves, every match without VAR is absolutely infuriating and shocking. We will still see the replays and see the shockers from referees. It makes football more of a roll of the die than it is now.
It's not perfect but every match I've watched without VAR in the last 3/4 years was incredibly frustrating.
It's not perfect but every match I've watched without VAR in the last 3/4 years was incredibly frustrating.
Trust me it will be worse without it. That offside goal Arsenal scored would have counted for one.
Good, all the Luddites can go there and celebrate goals "properly"
Totally agree.
VAR may have its issues and slows the game down, but it gets far more right than it does wrong.
Take the FA Cup game. Havertz gets booked for the dive if there was VAR.
Cant really blame the ref either (even though he was shocking that day) because it has to be hard to spot dives when so many players are in the box and your view may be blocked.
Get a slow mo and the optimal angle and the right call would have been made.
I mean, the FA cup games without VAR were absolutely terrible and just showed how poor refereeing is without it, I can't believe anyone who has seen cup games this year would want to get rid of VAR.
Wouldn't be sure about that. VAR changes the behavior of the officials.
You can also have automated offside and no other VAR. Basically don't add more humans to make errors. Make the ref on the pitch make calls.
Saw a yellow card yesterday be changed into a red in the CL. Poor decision. A player got sent off with a straight red. Bad decision and VAR didn't change it.
If you make offsides automated I don't think VAR adds positives to the game that outweigh the negative and that's especially the case for match going fans who are majorly against VAR wherever you look.
They were a breath of fresh air. Offside players being called offside as soon as they’re offside. Goals definitely goals as soon as the ref points to the centre circle. Mental that we’ve been denied this much more enjoyable version of footballl due to internet crybabies but hey, we get what we deserve.
Totally agree, main problem is there are still mistakes with VAR and there's still a margin of error for offside even with the lines or semi automatic due to the frame rate and timing exactly when the ball was played.
I'd rather have the free flowing game and just accept the refs are fallible, they'll be mistakes occasionally. Doesn't seem to me like there were more big mistakes pre 2020, but that's probably because no one made a big deal of them then, but they do when VAR messes up. Also we can keep goal line tech for the Lampard or Carroll type incidents when the ball goes miles over the line...
The refereeing in the cup game without VAR recently was abysmal. Keep VAR, just implement it better.
Standard of reffing in England is so bad now it would be a total Wild West shit show if VAR was binned. It needs a group of them to ref a game now, and even then they often make a mess of it.
Yeah goal line tech is the one and only example so far of new technology improving decisions with no downsides for fans, either watching on tv, or at the game. That’s the bar that all new tech should have to pass before being implemented.
I think I wouldn’t have cared much either way, until I saw the worst refereeing performance I’d seen in years in a game where there was no VAR to bail him out. The system I think is okay but the planks using it are not.
The one that was ruled out by the linesman?
VAR isn’t really the main issue - never really has been. It’s the idiots that are in control of it which is the main problem.
On the flip side it also showed the depth of how impossible it would be for any decent referee to actually referee a game properly, the diving, play acting and do anything to gain any kind of advantage is pretty much impossible to stop without VAR - and that pisses me off the most
Totally agreed.
Every argument against VAR that I've seen has been about the current implementation, rather than the principle of correcting obvious errors. Decisions taking forever, human error, vague interpretations of rules, etc.
Getting rid of VAR altogether is going backwards, being more sensible about how it's applied is the clear solution.
The main barrier is that we're letting the inmates rule the asylum - PGMOL have set up VAR in order to optimise protecting their mates rather than getting decisions right, and the rules are unnecessarily vague and subjective, it's so bad I can only conclude that it's by design in order to avoid or deflect scrutiny.
Good. Hopefully the rest of Europe follows suit.
Bring in automated offsides, but bin the rest.
Bring in automated offsides, but bin the rest.
More enjoyable is clearly subjective, personally I'd find a game more enjoyable without the frustration of obviously incorrect officiating decisions, which happen all the time due to the awful standard of officiating.
Calling people who want games to be fair and decisions to be correct "internet crybabies" is unnecessary, and given it's a comment made while on the internet complaining about VAR, is quite ironic.
Coaches challenge, 1 instance per game that you keep a hold of if the call is reversed.
Can only be used for decisions that directly lead to a goal, offsides, a handball or foul in build-up. Or for penalty box incidents (fouls given/not given)
Can only be used for decisions that directly lead to a goal, offsides, a handball or foul in build-up. Or for penalty box incidents (fouls given/not given)
It showed that being a referee is difficult, I agree. They will always get stuff wrong and can’t possibly keep both sets of fans happy with their performance after every game. If everyone just accepted that we wouldn’t have to put up with all this VAR nonsense. Because it sure as shit isn’t making anyone any happier with the performance of referees.
It's not VAR that's the problem it's the referees and those operating it. We saw how bad it can get without VAR when we were dumped out of the league cup against Spurs when Bayinder should have been awarded a free kick for Spurs' winner and also against Arsenal when the ref couldn't wait to award them a dodgy penalty. VAR would certainly have overruled both.
The problem is it being used so poorly instead of a bit of common sense. I don't know why they don't mic the ref up and those in the VAR room like they do in rugby.
The problem is it being used so poorly instead of a bit of common sense. I don't know why they don't mic the ref up and those in the VAR room like they do in rugby.
People say this but it doesn’t address the fact that the game is slower as a result, even in leagues like serie A that supposedly do it correctly. In the ground you don’t have a clue what’s going on, it’s bad enough on tv.
The game flows so much better without it, and it’s so convoluted and inconsistent that it doesn’t solve the problems it was brought in for.
I would love to have one season, or even a couple of months in a season, without VAR and see the fans exploding blood vessels trying to defending the horrendous decisions refs will make without VAR corrections, and say the game is still better without it.
They don’t correct the bad decisions as it is, so what’s the point?
They don't correct offside decisions or tackles that deserve red cards? Ofcourse they don't reserve every decision we feel is bad but they do reverse plenty otherwise.
Bring in automated offsides and take it out of human hands for starters. What the hold up with that coming into the PL is I don’t know.
They don’t reverse things that are clearly and obviously wrong, but they do reverse things that nobody even appealed for. It’s all over the place, and I understand I’m now in the realm of ‘it’s not the tech it’s the people’, but I don’t trust they’ll ever get it right. So why wait for some mythical day that might not come, when we can just go back to how it was?
I hate it and all. There must be something better. Like no VAR.
1. VAR in Norway is nothing like VAR in the top 5 leagues. It’s a bad version from the Temu version of Temu.
2. I don’t believe for a second that VAR will be abolished in Norway for a long time. The football association will not back down and will use every trick in the book to keep it. The member uproar and voting results only end up as a “recommendation” of sorts, it’s not a directly democratic decision. I’ll be very surprised if it’s gone by the start of the season, heck, even by the start of next season!
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2. I don’t believe for a second that VAR will be abolished in Norway for a long time. The football association will not back down and will use every trick in the book to keep it. The member uproar and voting results only end up as a “recommendation” of sorts, it’s not a directly democratic decision. I’ll be very surprised if it’s gone by the start of the season, heck, even by the start of next season!
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Let's try for 30 seasons. By then it should be everyone else's problem, or at the least, my eyesight will be so bad I'll start to think the VAR officials are doing a better job than a coin flip could manage.
VAR definitely creates a proportion of those bad decisions. Referees will be slower to award penalties or red cards, knowing they can be awarded retrospectively.
As for offsides the only ones missed by linesman are invariably so tight they go against the whole spirit of why the law exists. Which is only to prevent goal-hanging. The whole charade of disallowing goals for a toenail or armpit hair closer to the goal than a defender is such a gross misrepresentation of how the sport is supposed to work.
Not to mention the good old art of diving finally being rewarded.
Coaches challenge - if you get it wrong you lose a sub. If you’re out of subs, you can’t challenge. If you get it right, obvs no penalty.
I have 0% confidence that gets overturned even in a game with VAR