Northern Ireland Thread

arnie_ni said:
Whys it provocative?
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Because it is seen by many to be a political symbol


I did find this which would suggest by law you cant wear one at work

Overall, where does employment law stand on wearing a poppy?
Employment law provides protection against discrimination relating to certain characteristics which people may possess. In this situation, it would be religion or belief, such as philosophical belief.

In order to rely on a philosophical belief, case law has provided some guidance on how to assess this, with the following: the belief must be a genuine belief held; it must be a belief and not an opinion or a viewpoint; it must be weighty and substantial aspect of human life and behaviour; and it must attain a certain level of cogency, seriousness, cohesion and importance.

An ex-serviceman in the case of Lisk v Shield Guardian Co Ltd stated that he wore a poppy because it was his belief that “we should pay respects to those who have given their lives for us by wearing a poppy”. In this case, the tribunal formed the view that this belief was too “narrow” so it did not meet the requirement of showing a philosophical belief.

Given that an individual only wears a poppy for a short period, once a year, then it is unlikely to show that it has a ‘weighty and substantial’ aspect on their life and behaviour.
 
Im in the NICS and the people doing it are doing it to be provocative and no other reason otherwise i wouldn't care .

I am just curious where the law stands on it however
 
lsd said:
Im in the NICS and the people doing it are doing it to be provocative and no other reason otherwise i wouldn't care .

I am just curious where the law stands on it however
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They are allowed in the NICS, there is also a minutes silence on the day (some people choose not to participate in it, is that provocative?), how does someone wear it provocatively? Are the people wearing them with a TShirt saying "Hi I am a prod".
 
InLevyITrust said:
They are allowed in the NICS, there is also a minutes silence on the day (some people choose not to participate in it, is that provocative?), how does someone wear it provocatively? Are the people wearing them with a TShirt saying "Hi I am a prod".
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Iv never seen walk about as much as they have today or come over to talk to me as much . Especially as they have complained i got a placement over them because i was Catholic . They may as,well be wearing a t shirt . Yes i know its petty but this is what we do here be petty
 
lsd said:
Iv never seen walk about as much as they have today or come over to talk to me as much . Especially as they have complained i got a placement over them because i was Catholic . They may as,well be wearing a t shirt . Yes i know its petty but this is what we do here be petty
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I'm in Belfast mostly but do travel all over, I work in guidance. Londonderry/Derry is the most divided town/city I have been in, they could be being cnuts about it but not every one who wears one is. I just were the little pin badge thing.
 
InLevyITrust said:
I'm in Belfast mostly but do travel all over, I work in guidance. Londonderry/Derry is the most divided town/city I have been in, they could be being cnuts about it but not every one who wears one is. I just were the little pin badge thing.
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Im not a derry native so not going to argue that . It is certainly extremely cliquey and divided on those grounds .

As a result things will probably always get a tense when the elements are mixed
 
lsd said:
Im not a derry native so not going to argue that . It is certainly extremely cliquey and divided on those grounds .

As a result things will probably always get a tense when the elements are mixed
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Where are you from originally? I live in Ballymena and its pretty divided too to be fair.
 
Strabane via Philadelphia we moved over when i was 15 so never really got into the whole political thing but somehow you still get drawn in like it or not
 
lsd said:
Iv never seen walk about as much as they have today or come over to talk to me as much . Especially as they have complained i got a placement over them because i was Catholic . They may as,well be wearing a t shirt . Yes i know its petty but this is what we do here be petty
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Wear one yourself one day and melt their minds.
 
Alliance badly isolating themselves here, it's one thing not standing aside for Hanna it's quite another throwing a hissy fit because others can see the long term value in doing so.

 
Raulduke said:
Alliance badly isolating themselves here, it's one thing not standing aside for Hanna it's quite another throwing a hissy fit because others can see the long term value in doing so.

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Alliance would be safer off throwing everything they have into East Belfast. SDLP were second last time in SB and if they get a good chunk of SF and Green votes Hanna should get in comfortably enough.
 
lsd said:
Im not a derry native so not going to argue that . It is certainly extremely cliquey and divided on those grounds .

As a result things will probably always get a tense when the elements are mixed
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Yeah Derry is like that. I've started jobs and been told straight up that my boss isn't going to like me because I'm from the cityside. You get a lot of people looking to be offended by it all, but if you just ignore it you usually get left out of it eventually.

I've seen the poppy thing too, they are usually looking for a reaction so best just ignored and left to get on with their shit. It's weird, I've worked with people that were absolutely grand the rest of the year not an issue until marching or the poppy or something similar comes up and they just turn into a prick until it's over and then they go back to normal like it never happened. I've seen it from both sides.
 
UDA must have told Hermon not to stand.... any chance an Alliance MP could get the numbers if SF, SDLP and Greens stepped aside?
 
Well maybe this explains Alliance being so reticent to get involved in the pro-remain pacts. Not appearing to be getting too close with Sinn Fein and the SDLP could help them in North Down.
 
Eire Red United said:
UDA must have told Hermon not to stand.... any chance an Alliance MP could get the numbers if SF, SDLP and Greens stepped aside?
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No its was actually for totally non political reasons, shes nearly 65 and being an independent isn't easy, especially as she is the only remain MP that takes her seat in London.
 
Now greens confirm they too will not stand in North Belfast but no mention of North Down as of yet.
 
Raulduke said:
Now greens confirm they too will not stand in North Belfast but no mention of North Down as of yet.
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Its a fecking joke, having an election for an assembly that isn't functioning and then half of them don't even take their seat in London. Yet we do nothing, if we had any sense none of us should vote at all in protest. They are even making the vote simply orange or green, they will cover it up as leave or remain, should be ashamed.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Its a fecking joke, having an election for an assembly that isn't functioning and then half of them don't even take their seat in London. Yet we do nothing, if we had any sense none of us should vote at all in protest. They are even making the vote simply orange or green, they will cover it up as leave or remain, should be ashamed.
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Sinn Fein and the SDLP were standing aside in North Down to help a sitting Unionist MP and similarly in East Belfast to help Naomi Long. How exactly is that making the vote orange or green? They're also running against each other in Foyle and Fermanagh & South Tyrone in what are fairly competitive constituencies too.
 
Raulduke said:
Sinn Fein and the SDLP were standing aside in North Down to help a sitting Unionist MP and similarly in East Belfast to help Naomi Long. How exactly is that making the vote orange or green? They're also running against each other in Foyle and Fermanagh & South Tyrone in what are fairly competitive constituencies too.
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Were they not standing to help Sylvia Hermon, a remainer, before she decided to retire?

I'm just sick of them all to be honest so probably over reacting, when I say its orange or green I mean its pacts between what are usually seen as Unionist and Nationalist parties. What is the date for the final list of candidates standing, I can see the UUP dropping out of one or 2 more constituencies?
 
InLevyITrust said:
Were they not standing to help Sylvia Hermon, a remainer, before she decided to retire?

I'm just sick of them all to be honest so probably over reacting.
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Yes, Sylvia Hermon is a remain supporting MP but she's also an independent Unionist MP. The significance of Sinn Fein in particular supporting any Unionist in an election is not something I can understand being squared with the idea these pacts are simply Orange and Green.
 
Raulduke said:
Yes, Sylvia Hermon is a remain supporting MP but she's also an independent Unionist MP. The significance of Sinn Fein in particular supporting any Unionist in an election is not something I can understand being squared with the idea these pacts are simply Orange and Green.
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Sinn Fein had actually praised Sylvia Hermon on a few occasions earlier in the year, I amended my thread, what I meant was that nearly all of the pacts are between parties from each side. There is talk of Mike Nesbitt now running in North Down to try and suck up some of the votes that will be free there, it will be close.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Sinn Fein had actually praised Sylvia Hermon on a few occasions earlier in the year, I amended my thread, what I meant was that nearly all of the pacts are between parties from each side. There is talk of Mike Nesbitt now running in North Down to try and suck up some of the votes that will be free there, it will be close.
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Mike Nesbitt might be a good shout but only if Alliance stood aside which they don't seem willing to do. He seems fairly decent and talks a lot of sense when interviewed (probably due to his previous career). Felt the UUP shot themselves in the foot not standing behind him when he was reaching across the community to the SDLP when he was leader. An opportunity missed unfortunately.
 
Raulduke said:
Mike Nesbitt might be a good shout but only if Alliance stood aside which they don't seem willing to do. He seems fairly decent and talks a lot of sense when interviewed (probably due to his previous career). Felt the UUP shot themselves in the foot not standing behind him when he was reaching across the community to the SDLP when he was leader. An opportunity missed unfortunately.
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Agreed, I don't know why they didn't take to him either in an assembly that's lacks forward thinkers he would have been useful. He has health problems I think, don't know how serious.
 
So guys NEWSFLASH

I've stepped away from behind the keyboard and started canvassing for Claire Hanna tonight.

If could well have been for Paula Bradshaw either but I felt Claire Hanna has been stronger regards remains.

Knock over 50 doors In a mixed unionist area leaning towards Alliance. Over 60% were not opened and id say of the doors opened 80% were voting SDLP with many voting Alliance last time out. No DUP people and 3 SF who will vote SDLP.

GREEN party houses were exvellent. Husband and wife both cane to doors. Out of 3 completely green houses - men were all for Claire Hanna and while the women wanted more time to learn about Claire's Green issues.
 
bazalini said:
So guys NEWSFLASH

I've stepped away from behind the keyboard and started canvassing for Claire Hanna tonight.

If could well have been for Paula Bradshaw either but I felt Claire Hanna has been stronger regards remains.

Knock over 50 doors In a mixed unionist area leaning towards Alliance. Over 60% were not opened and id say of the doors opened 80% were voting SDLP with many voting Alliance last time out. No DUP people and 3 SF who will vote SDLP.

GREEN party houses were exvellent. Husband and wife both cane to doors. Out of 3 completely green houses - men were all for Claire Hanna and while the women wanted more time to learn about Claire's Green issues.
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Where abouts are you?
 
InLevyITrust said:
North and East Antrim.



Seen it on but seriously I don't have the energy to listen to many more of it, anything insightful?
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I didnt see it, i was going to ask the same question. Its from the police force's pov so it would be different than the others which seem to mainly be from nationalists or unionists pova
 
So:

DUP down 2 seats to 8
SF hold steady on 7
SDLP pick up 2
Alliance pick up 1.

Additionally the DUP vote was down in every constituency they managed to hold onto.

I guess the focus will now shift to getting Stormont back up and running.
 
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A Nationalist majority, for the first time I’ve heard?
 
Rooney24 said:
So:

DUP down 2 seats to 8
SF hold steady on 7
SDLP pick up 2
Alliance pick up 1.

Additionally the DUP vote was down in every constituency they managed to hold onto.

I guess the focus will now shift to getting Stormont back up and running.
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Need a total clear out and move more to the middle, so many dislikable MPs, too much scandal, backing Boris and getting shafted. I’m a Unionist and even I voted Alliance.

Sinn Fein while holding probably expected to do better than hey did. People want Stormount back and it will be back or I think an election here will return even worse results for the DUP and SF in a January election.
 
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