Northern Ireland Thread

Snowle Gunnar Solskjær said:
Reported that an 18 & 19 year old have been arrested over the murder
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Hard to believe that 2 kids born after the good Friday agreement was signed would get caught up in this. It's all so fecking sad. I hope that those who support the real IRA get dogs abuse from those who know them. Not only have they killed a young woman they also are destroying the lives and future of other young people in the local community by influencing then to get involved in violence. Absolute scum.
 
balaks said:
Hard to believe that 2 kids born after the good Friday agreement was signed would get caught up in this. It's all so fecking sad. I hope that those who support the real IRA get dogs abuse from those who know them. Not only have they killed a young woman they also are destroying the lives and future of other young people in the local community by influencing then to get involved in violence. Absolute scum.
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Always the way. Young kids without much else going for them (low education, poor job prospects) are always a prime target for recruitment. If they go to jail there are always more to recruit. Meanwhile the older scumbags who actually run things can keep a distance from incidents like this.

Hopefully the community reaction to this killing makes things that much harder for them.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
The organisation behind this marched in plain sight in Dublin on Saturday. When members of the public challenged them, they had "minders" telling them not to ask questions. They also tried to stop people filming them.
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Yep, I saw them marching and wondered why the army was looking like shit before I realised that it was just some losers playing dress up.
 
arnie_ni said:
Im jumping in here so possibly missing something so forgive me, but are you saying people have more to fear from police than the ira in whatever form they are known as?
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The idea that Catholics in Northern Ireland have had more to fear from the IRA over the RUC (ever) is a preposterous statement. The RUC colluded with Loyalists paramilitaries to kill Catholic civilians. Such a stupid fecking statement for someone to make.
 
Green_Red said:
The idea that Catholics in Northern Ireland have had more to fear from the IRA over the RUC (ever) is a preposterous statement. The RUC colluded with Loyalists paramilitaries to kill Catholic civilians. Such a stupid fecking statement for someone to make.
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Speaking for all the 'Catholics' are you?

Pot Kettle Black.
 
barros said:
Maybe is a stupid question but why UK just let NI to join Irland?
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In theory (and under the GFA) they will if the majority of the people in NI and the majority of people in the ROI both vote for that to happen.

However as it stands that majority in NI isn't in place.
 
The girl didn’t deserve to die... but those young lads who fired the shots.. I feel sorry for them too. Is that wrong?

I wasn’t born in this country but I absolutely see both cultures.. is that hard ?
 
MaxiPaxi said:
The girl didn’t deserve to die... but those young lads who fired the shots.. I feel sorry for them too. Is that wrong?

I wasn’t born in this country but I absolutely see both cultures.. is that hard ?
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It's all tragedy. Read this article that Lyra wrote. It discusses how trauma can be passed down through generations. Looking at the march in Dublin yesterday it's easy to imagine how that is combined with people who are easy to exploit by viciously cynical people.

https://scroll.in/pulse/920763/suic...ells-us-how-trauma-passes-through-generations
 
Green_Red said:
I'm not speaking for anyone but it's a stupid comment and if you can't elaborate on why it isn't then dont bother getting involved.
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It was one stupid comment followed by another - highlighted by you speaking for 'catholics' when he initially spoke of 'nationalists' as if those are intrinsically the same thing.

@Minimalist was clearly speaking from frustration at the horrendous events this week, lack of progress and mindless violence we still still put up with under the guise of politics - yours was such a typical response for N.Irish people - straight back to arguing and point scoring. Never mind the fact that mere days have passed since the pointless and evil murder, lets jump straight back into the blame game.

Almost as sad as the loss of life is the depressingly predictable slip straight back into the same entrenched rhetoric.
 
Duafc said:
It was one stupid comment followed by another - highlighted by you speaking for 'catholics' when he initially spoke of 'nationalists' as if those are intrinsically the same thing.

@Minimalist was clearly speaking from frustration at the horrendous events this week, lack of progress and mindless violence we still still put up with under the guise of politics - yours was such a typical response for N.Irish people - straight back to arguing and point scoring. Never mind the fact that mere days have passed since the pointless and evil murder, lets jump straight back into the blame game.

Almost as sad as the loss of life is the depressingly predictable slip straight back into the same entrenched rhetoric.
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Oh sorry I used the wrong word. I said Catholic not nationalist. My mistake. You're talking bolloxs either way. Please stick to the original comment made. Stating that Nationalists / Catholics in Northern Ireland have more to fear from this new wave of dissident than they EVER had to fear from the RUC is a stupid fecking statement to make whatever the situation. Wrap it up in whatever bullshit you want about "jump straight back into the blame game" whatever the feck that has to do with what I've said I dont even know.

Also, being Catholic and Nationalist are not mutually exclusive. I'll conclude that, but the probability of being both I would guess is greater than .9

I would also guess that the probability of being one and not the other is well below .1
 
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Dont really care which is worse. Saoradh are cnuts. Scummy, pointless cnuts. If they show up in dublin to march again i hope they let us know so we can get some rotten vegetables ready for them.
 
Green_Red said:
The idea that Catholics in Northern Ireland have had more to fear from the IRA over the RUC (ever) is a preposterous statement. The RUC colluded with Loyalists paramilitaries to kill Catholic civilians. Such a stupid fecking statement for someone to make.
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Didnt the ira just kill everyone?
 
MaxiPaxi said:
The girl didn’t deserve to die... but those young lads who fired the shots.. I feel sorry for them too. Is that wrong?

I wasn’t born in this country but I absolutely see both cultures.. is that hard ?
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The two teens that got released without charge?
Some way to go yet in figuring out who killed that lady.
 
arnie_ni said:
Didnt the ira just kill everyone?
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Official statistics for the Troubles prove the IRA were responsible for around 2500 civilian deaths, Loyalist paramilitaries around 1200 and the British security forces around 200. My figures aren't exact but that's around about correct. I can get you a link to official figures if youd like. I would never try to dispute those figures. Tbh I dont know what the purpose of your question was because it doesn't address the comment I took issue with.

The statement I had issue with is that someone declared that Nationalists had more to fear from the new wave of dissidents than they EVER had to fear from the RUC (ignore PSNI because they are a post GFA organisation). That RUC statement is fecking preposterous given the proven collusion between the RUC and Loyalist paramilitaries who specifically targeted Nationalists and Catholic civilians for murder runs. Thats without even going into the extreme torture carried out at places like Castlereagh by the RUC.
 
The modern day PSNI are a massive improvement, but let's not whitewash the RUC's history. They got replaced for a reason.
 
Dave89 said:
The modern day PSNI are a massive improvement, but let's not whitewash the RUC's history. They got replaced for a reason.
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I cant really remember, bit too young, but did anyone actually get replaced? Was it not just a ceremonial renaming?
 
arnie_ni said:
I cant really remember, bit too young, but did anyone actually get replaced? Was it not just a ceremonial renaming?
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My timeline may not be 100%, but IIRC, after the Patten report there were a load of early retirements of the old guard, 50-50 recruitment of new officers, as well as a new policing board and ombudsman. Not every member of the RUC got chucked out of course, but it seemed like a real effort to drive cultural change.
 
A lot of people are pretending to be stirred up by Father McGill's words yesterday, and Arlene/Michelle's complete failure to act. Think we'll see any difference at all in the votes this day next week? I get it's council elections, not assembly, but the two parties are running on the same messages anyway.
 
Dave89 said:
My timeline may not be 100%, but IIRC, after the Patten report there were a load of early retirements of the old guard, 50-50 recruitment of new officers, as well as a new policing board and ombudsman. Not every member of the RUC got chucked out of course, but it seemed like a real effort to drive cultural change.
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Yes it was a wide sweeping change
 
Dave89 said:
A lot of people are pretending to be stirred up by Father McGill's words yesterday, and Arlene/Michelle's complete failure to act. Think we'll see any difference at all in the votes this day next week? I get it's council elections, not assembly, but the two parties are running on the same messages anyway.
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Probably not sadly. At the end of the day it's still all about not letting 'themun's' get in.
 
balaks said:
Probably not sadly. At the end of the day it's still all about not letting 'themun's' get in.
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Sadly I think you're right. "Fr McGill's right, SF are shit, better vote DUP" and "Fr McGill's right, DUP are shit, better vote SF".
 
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