We can still finish 6th
European football next season | United - Europa League, Chelsea - Conference League, wee club in the north-east - feck all!
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Runner up used to get the euro spot but they changed it to give as many euro spots to EPL as possible. Load of bollox rally as you effectively make the FA cup euro spot redundant.
Do we think the likes of Bruno and Rashford were rested to give us a better chance in the FA Cup final? It's our best chance of Europe at this point imo.
I never said I wouldn't want to win the competition if we were in it, I said I'd rather we don't qualify for it. It's a stain on the club to be in the competition in the first place, whether you want to admit it or not.Whenever I read such statements I think that fans like you deserve that United never wins anything again.
It's just embarassing not wanting to try to win what still is a European competition.
None of us aspire to play in the Europa League either, but if the team find themselves being in that competition, I want us to win it. There is a difference.
As for the comment, questioning my support for the club, I'll still be here supporting United if we don't win anything, you don't worry about that. I don't need you to tell me how I should go about doing that. As I haven't told you either.
That just sounds entitled. And United lost the right to feel that way during the last decade.
And even if we adopt that line of thinking, not even qualifying for Europe surely is the even bigger stain.
Get a point against Newcastle and that's 8th place secured 
6th is unrealistic as we're in worst form out of 3 teams competing for it and with easily worst GD. Our chance for Europe is basically to win Fa Cup final and that's even more difficult route.
6th is unrealistic as we're in worst form out of 3 teams competing for it and with easily worst GD. Our chance for Europe is basically to win Fa Cup final and that's even more difficult route.
I agree with this viewpoint. Unfortunately, we’re no longer at Champions League level and not competing in European football is worse than competing in the Conference League or the Europa League.
We’ve got much bigger issues to deal with than worrying about the Euro conference league….
It's already happened to us in the past (not qualifying at all for Europe). I would rather that be the case than playing in the Conference league and what comes with it, that's my opinion. You can call it entitled if you want, I did acknowledge in my original post however that we have fallen off and expectations should be simmered. Don't expect the standards to be this low however.
Like what?
It's probably a blessing in disguise with all of the injury problems and the lack of quality squad depth that our best players only have to play once a week next year.
Gestures broadly at everything else to do with Man United
True. I was talking about what specifically, but I’ll accept that as an answer.
I mean, honestly, it’s probably for the best
For the best. Conference league isn't worth it considering the money the club makes. The cost that comes from having the extra games to deal with probably isn't worth it for most top PL clubs.
It’s a good thing. Conference League is just too shite to be in.
No midweek game to have another bad result.
I’m feeling relieved we aren’t in Europe next season. The league can be our main focus. I think it’s a net positive. Let’s focus on getting back into the Top 4 and playing some decent football with or without ETH.
Well that kind of worked. A little late but with a strong finish.
How far we have fallen.
1) From winning the PL almost every year
2) Post SAF, trying to challenge for the title
3) Then, try to finish Top 4 to qualify for CL
4) Now, try to qualify for EL or Conference League
5) Probably will fail to qualify for Europe all together
6) If we are not careful we could be fighting for relegation in a few years time. Never say never. I never thought that we would be out of Europe after spending 450M.
1) From winning the PL almost every year
2) Post SAF, trying to challenge for the title
3) Then, try to finish Top 4 to qualify for CL
4) Now, try to qualify for EL or Conference League
5) Probably will fail to qualify for Europe all together
6) If we are not careful we could be fighting for relegation in a few years time. Never say never. I never thought that we would be out of Europe after spending 450M.
Being out of Europe will be good i think. Theoretically, you need less players when you don't have continental football because you've got less games. Maybe this is the chance to cull the squad.
This has been my argument all along. People moan about players getting a clean slate when new managers join but we’ve had to keep bigger squads because we were always in a European competition.
Disagree entirely with your second paragraph but that’s for another thread
A couple of years ago I would have sentenced you to a lunatic asylum for this post, but not anymore. Under the Glazer's stewardship we seem to falling deeper and deeper into the quicksand. Top 10 next season is not a given with this squad, manager and attitude surrounding the club.
Definite bummer being out of Europe. Just the loss of the home games alone will hurt our finances when we're pulling in £3 to £4M per home match.
Football wise, it can go either way. On the one hand you can run a smaller squad and play your strongest team in every game, which can help in the league and makes it easier to avoid banana skins in the cup.
On the other hand, the lack of games can be a hindrance, since less time on the pitch means less time for players to gel, fewer opportunities for backup or younger players to see minutes, fewer chances for the manager to try things out. Not to mention one less chance to get in the CL.
There's a silver lining there, but overall, its a pita.
Football wise, it can go either way. On the one hand you can run a smaller squad and play your strongest team in every game, which can help in the league and makes it easier to avoid banana skins in the cup.
On the other hand, the lack of games can be a hindrance, since less time on the pitch means less time for players to gel, fewer opportunities for backup or younger players to see minutes, fewer chances for the manager to try things out. Not to mention one less chance to get in the CL.
There's a silver lining there, but overall, its a pita.
Agree with everything except number 2, we tried challenging for the title as we have challenged last year....theoretically speaking, in reality we never did and who knows when we will.
Not playing in Europe should be big shame for a club of our stature. Some heads need to fall right after the season ends.
If we don't qualify for Europe then good luck trying to attract the level of quality player we need to revamp and actually improve the squad. The only ones willing to join will be because we've bribed them, which is exactly what we need to move away from, or less proven players from lower down the football chain moving upwards.
Promising youngster? You aren't getting many opportunities next season.
Not being in Europe at all is an embarrassment to the club.
Promising youngster? You aren't getting many opportunities next season.
Not being in Europe at all is an embarrassment to the club.
We are closer to a relegation battle than a title challenge. We are 28 points off 3rd last and 32 points off Arsenal
We've scored 2 goals more than Luton and 39 less than Man City.
We need players who can make us consistent top 4 which we haven't done since Fergie retired.
You don't need superstars but you need to be shrewd. Arsenal didn't really sign superstars these last few years until last season and even then it was only declan rice.
Then there's the manager as well but that's another discussion.
Yup. The sad thing is that a relegation battle could easily be on the cards.
The conference league final will be Olympiacos 19th game in Europe this season. It’s a helluva lot of games for a minor trophy with a €5m prize for winning.
But for us, assuming 10 home games in Old Trafford we could get about 30M (3M per game X 10)
I believe there will also be revenues from TV and EUFA other than the prize money
https://www.givemesport.com/football-soccer-clubs-that-generate-most-money-per-match-day/
Your 100% right about this being a huge embarrassment for a club that has been in the wilderness for over a decade, however your wrong about recruitment.
Chelsea has no European football and still managed to outmanoeuvre over clubs for players like Palmer, Lavia, Caciedo. United under a new pilot in Ineos will sell the project as;
The club was at its lowest point structurally, and now they are going to rebuild in 4 key areas;
1. Football Structure
2. A new state of the art Medical and Training complex
3. New younger Talented squad that has everything in place to win and compete
4. Within 2-3 years a new best in class and country 95,000-100,000 stadium campus that is the envy of the world.
Ineos are business specialists, they will have an IT team specifically briefed on creating a power point presentation with all their new plans in the next 2/3 years to accompany, Blanc and Wilcox in the short term this May and June for all player transfers.
The pretty slideshow will show renders of state of the art training complex and the new stadium. The transfer committee will seamlessly add Omar Berrada and Dan Ashworth from late July to the transfer team, I wouldn’t be surprised if the new CFO, Roger Bell and Collette Roche, the COO joined the task force in player recruitment and transfers.
She speaks Fluent German and Spanish, I believe and both Blanc and Berrada speak multiple languages too. They will have appointed a new manager by the end of the month as well which I’m sure will be Tuchel, again the fact that he speaks multiple languages will help over Southgate, remember the decision is not Brailsford and Sir Jim’s alone, they will empower Blanc, Berrada, Wilcox and Ashworth who are all football people.
Let’s take a player scenario like Jared Branthwaite, He turns up with his Agent who is David Reeves, a close friend of Jason Wilcox, they sit him down show him the plans make a big fuss of him and then tell him he will be one of the cornerstones of the clubs ambitions in the next 8-10 years, the issue is Everton who want £70m+, United won’t pay that by they might be much cleverer with payment structure to entice Everton.
Thats why you have your CFO present to discuss, ofcourse they would already have a plan as Wilcox knows the Agent really well. So Everton might say we won’t £80m to let him go, knowing the sweet spot is £70m + £5m in add ons but those payments would be received at £14m per year over 5 years and bonus payments paid after PL and CL success!
Blanc, Wilcox and Roger Bell propose a different plan to Everton to get the deal done which is the club wants to pay £60m upfront as maximum with £7m of bonus payments but we’ll pay 50% now so £30m right now to help with your FFP issues and then £15m next year and £15m year three.
I can see the same applied to Olise deal however normally on buy out clauses you have to pay in one instalment, if PSG, Arsenal or Chelsea are in for Olise the club will have to pay £55m buy out fee this summer. That would mean that £85m of the £100m of cash put aside for transfers are already gone.
The club ability this summer to operate efficiently in the transfer market is based more on player sales where the club benefits instantly, this is why Casemiro sale to Saudi Arabia is essential and hopefully a player like Sancho is picked up by PSG or Bayern who have the £40m cash that United would probably do a deal for, irrespective of the new coach wanted to keep the player or not!
I really cannot understand why ETH hasn't been sacked yet, I thought no CL was a sackable offence never mind no Europe altogether
Isnt point to watch your club in many games as you can? We are not wining league next year anyway, so EL or CL would be nice to have.
We are deluded if we think we are still top dogs and turning nose to EL or CL just sound entitled.
We are deluded if we think we are still top dogs and turning nose to EL or CL just sound entitled.
Europa League after the FA cup win
Yeah I do get that. I’d be interested to know what the cost/benefit numbers look like.
£3m from a game would be 75000 people paying £40 each. Whilst you would get something like that in the CL I’d be amazed if you got 10 home games at capacity, at those prices.
counterpoint - now we don’t have to watch two bad results in a week
I think it will be close to the figure. If I'm not wrong even FA Cup ticket cost around that. At the very least it will surely helps increase our revenues for tickets, TV and UEFA bonuses for FFP. In addition, there are many other stream of revenues especially for overseas fans visiting the clubs for the games.
We are fooling ourselves if we think no european will change things next season if we a still being managed under ten hag, we have not played european football for over half the season and nothing has improved performance or result wise.
Blessing in disguise for many reasons IMO.