The Tories would win with an enormous majority if an election was called next week.How is he in a strong positionHe's been an absolute disaster.
Nicola Sturgeon and Scottish Independence
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Oh god, maybe I have blinkered vision but I'm baffled as to how people still have confidence in them.
I don't have any confidence in them at all but they won at a landslide last time and they would do so again. We live in a right leaning country
In which case the others may as well pack up and we become a one party state.
People got fed up with them in the nineties, it could happen again (Hopefully)
Labour are miles off being able to win an election.
I think this is now way off topic.
Yeah sorry for derailing it. In fairness though you or someone else did mention Boris Johnson.
Putting it back on topic, I like Nicola Sturgeon but if what has come out is true then it's going to be very difficult for her to carry on. If the public back her she might be ok.
wasn't me! I’ve said his standing is irrelevant to this.
The full report comes on Tuesday. I suppose that’s D Day for her.
Has a better title as well. Fish Wars sounds a lot better than Boris vs Gove, and would only be bettered by Boris vs Jacob (Eton Mess)
Tories, apart from being pro EU, pro public services, pro public spending, pro employment rights, pro nationalisation, pro raising taxes if necessary, pro welcoming asylum-seekers and anti trident, yeah, maybe.
I feel that only a well informed, articulate, devilishly handsome Scot who actually lives in Scotland is suited to determine whether or not the SNP are just Tartan Tories. Unfortunately I'm only two of those and they're both debatable.
What a load of bollocks
She getting the boot, aye?
She‘s pretty much a dictator at this point so no.
All she needs is Muammar Gaddafi style drip.
If she does have the appearance of total power in Scotland, it's only due to her/SNPs popularity and the woefulness of the Scottish Labour and Tories, which is why I seriously doubt this is going to end her career. The opposition have had nothing to say policy wise for years except "SNP bad!", which is why so many people up here don't take them remotely seriously. This could be their "boy who cried wolf" moment, finally having a genuine reason to call for Sturgeon's resignation for a change, but finding out that the electorate tuned out of listening to them a long time ago.
Were you dropped on your head as a baby?
Guessing you read it? Because I don't remember the part where it said "as an independent nation we can provide healthcare and education for all, until it gets in the way of us wearing blue face paint".
Just remembered that joke from Frankie Boyle about Mel Gibson not being a realistic Scotsman. And look at him now; an alcoholic racist.
Scotland - We want independence as currently the British parliamentary system isn't meeting our needs.
England - Well feck you! If you leave with you're little tin pot dictator then say goodbye to all the handouts and nice free stuff you are currently stealing from us! No more deep fried chocolate or publicly funding heroin.......... Oh shit soz, I didn't mean any of that. It's actually better if you stay. Please don't go. Honestly we are stronger together. But remember if you ever try to leave, your life will be fecking destroyed.
England - Well feck you! If you leave with you're little tin pot dictator then say goodbye to all the handouts and nice free stuff you are currently stealing from us! No more deep fried chocolate or publicly funding heroin.......... Oh shit soz, I didn't mean any of that. It's actually better if you stay. Please don't go. Honestly we are stronger together. But remember if you ever try to leave, your life will be fecking destroyed.
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Its always bothered me that narrative. That Scotland is so utterly worthless without the English that it would fail harder than Boris when quizzed on what happened during the first 5 COBRA meetings of 2020. Yet, people dont half pull out the nonsense to keep us in team UK. So whats going on? Are we all scroungers, in which case why do they want us to stay? And if we arent, why are they telling us we will fail as a nation if we go it alone?
Is there any chance the SNP could lose votes to labour next election and collapse their vote or is there support up there that strong? I don't have a massive opinion on them since I don't live in Scotland but I just hope the country can vote the tories out somehow.
the strength of the SNP has certainty weakened Labour a great deal, and it didn’t look like that was going to turnaround anytime soon.
perhaps this might be a turning point for them, but don’t see Labour picking up lots of seats from the SNP.
Hi Nicola.
Because we're a handbag for all the Royal family tea set owning muppets.
Altodevil seems to be doing a lot of laughing and criticising other people's posts without much of explanation or discussion on his own thoughts.
Because it's clear that the majority of folk here get the English media view of Nicola and the Scottish government. Indoctrinated.
The English media rarely give the SNP much airtime outside of Indy Ref. This story is one of the few that I've actually heard lead a news bulletin down here that isn't about Indy Ref. You have to seek out someone like Andrew Nield to hear actual criticism of the SNP's governance in Scotland if you're in England. Scottish politicians that aren't in the SNP regularly complain that she gets an easy ride down here with 'softball' questions. I tend to agree with that assessment but the truth is that people aren't interested enough in Scottish politics here to justify going deep into it.
Correct them?
So you think that the English are indoctrinated by 'reason 2' on a Sun article from the election 2015 but the Scots are not indoctrinated by that absurd front page from the same time?
Not at all. I think the consistent messaging of Sturgeon in the English press has been negative. Outside of the 2015 election period, you would be hard pushed to say it has been consistently positive messaging for her in any Scottish paper or outlet aside from The National. Daily Record maybe.
Odds are most of them voted for Boris, May, Cameron etc. Lost causes.
Maybe in the right wing tabloid rags but for my part I don't read them. I tend to use the BBC and The Guardian as my main media sources.
The right leaning parts of the press (the majority and definitely the biggest selling) benefit from the SNP doing well. They make the tories pretty untouchable by labour in elections. If the SNP were to falter the tories would definitely be keeping a nervous eye on that. My general impression of the SNP is that they are treated with some respect in England and were considered a well run party that absolutely hammered labour in the areas that labour needed to do well in. That doesn't mean there hasn't been some negative stories of course but that's the case for any political party.
Recently the press has been different but that's because of the stuff going on and it would be difficult not to have negative undertones as if nothing else its a bit of an embarrassment to the SNP.
Crickets from all the clowns in here last few days. No surprise.
It's now clear why he battled SNP/Sturge, for his own party benefit. Egotist. If he wanted independence he wouldn't do this.
Not sure how he can claim to be for the people when he's costing us shit tons every time he decides to sue the government.