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I wouldn't discount winning 5 out of their final 6, putting up 50 points twice in three weeks (can't recall the last time that's ever happened) and having the #1 offense in the NFL as insignificant. Dak is playing very well and Moore's playcalling has been solid, which is not coincidentally why he's being tipped for a HC job. Lamb/Cooper are pretty good together and having the league's best CB and potential defensive MVP in Parsons wont hurt either.

Right now imo, the Cowboys one step ahead of the Bucs and Rams just one step behind the Packers in the NFC.
He catches the ball well, but think I've read that he has also allowed the most yards in single coverage in the entire league.

Jalen Ramsey, Jaire Alexander, Marlon Humphrey, Tre White, Xavien Howard, JC Jackson, all guys I'd still have in front of Diggs. Slay, Ward, Fuller, Lattimore, ... are up there as well alongside Diggs imo.
 
Yeh I just can't agree. Not sure what your allegiances are, and I get the numbers make Dallas look great, but actually watching them against decent opposition paints a different picture, and we've only been kept in games by our very aggressive defence.

If you look at the teams we've faced, it doesn't make good reading. The only half decent side we've beat is New England. Whenever else we've played anyone half decent we've been beaten and, with the exception of the Tampa game, been absolutely awful on offence. Including against Arizona last week, who we will have in the WC round next week.

I'd certainly prefer to subscribe to your point of view though!

I'm generally a Cowboys sceptic and don't care for Jerry Jones after his ego couldn't bear Jimmy Johnson 's success, which basically broke up what could've been the greatest dynasty in NFL history. What sets this team apart from those in the past couple of decades is that it actually has a good head coach, one of the best coordinators in the league, and has both well executing offense and defenses. It would still be an uphill climb to get to the Super Bowl given that they're 4th, but anything is possible if your offense is capable of putting up 50 on playoff teams like the Eagles.
 
Exactly. It’s all good ball hawking and it’s nice to make turnovers but no point if you’re getting smoked on most other plays.
Yep. He is good at catching balls. But otherwise, he has a long, long way to go to be discussed among the best at his position.
I think the amount of times he’s getting targeted speaks volume.
 
I'm generally a Cowboys sceptic and don't care for Jerry Jones after his ego couldn't bear Jimmy Johnson 's success, which basically broke up what could've been the greatest dynasty in NFL history. What sets this team apart from those in the past couple of decades is that it actually has a good head coach, one of the best coordinators in the league, and has both well executing offense and defenses. It would still be an uphill climb to get to the Super Bowl given that they're 4th, but anything is possible if your offense is capable of putting up 50 on playoff teams like the Eagles.
A second team of a last spot wildcard team, though. Can’t look too much into that I would say.
 
Yep. He is good at catching balls. But otherwise, he has a long, long way to go to be discussed among the best at his position.
I think the amount of times he’s getting targeted speaks volume.
It’s clear his aggressiveness to get picks is costing him to blow up coverages. He’s young though. When he gets his aggressiveness balanced with sound fundamental coverage play, he does have some very good potential. But to already put him up there? No thanks.
 
He catches the ball well, but think I've read that he has also allowed the most yards in single coverage in the entire league.

Jalen Ramsey, Jaire Alexander, Marlon Humphrey, Tre White, Xavien Howard, JC Jackson, all guys I'd still have in front of Diggs. Slay, Ward, Fuller, Lattimore, ... are up there as well alongside Diggs imo.

None of these players except Jackson are remotely as good as Diggs.

For instance, Diggs leads the NFL in picks. He has more picks this year than Ramsey, Alexander, Humphrey, White, & Howard COMBINED. He literally reduces the size of the field because opposing coordinators deliberately avoid throwing anywhere near him.

The three current best CBs are Diggs, Jackson, and Oruwariye.
 
None of these players are remotely as good as Diggs.

For instance, Diggs leads the NFL in picks. He has more picks this year than Ramsey, Alexander, Humphrey, White, & Howard COMBINED. He literally reduces the size of the field because opposing coordinators deliberately throwing anywhere near him.

The three current best CBs are Diggs, Jackson, and Oruwariye.

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Honestly I think you’ve completely gone rogue on this one.
 
None of these players are remotely as good as Diggs.

For instance, Diggs leads the NFL in picks. He has more picks this year than Ramsey, Alexander, Humphrey, White, & Howard COMBINED. He literally reduces the size of the field because opposing coordinators deliberately throwing anywhere near him.

The three current best CBs are Diggs, Jackson, and Oruwariye.
Darrelle Revis had 29 picks over the course of his complete career in the league. Int’s are a very flawed way to measure db-play.
 
None of these players except Jackson are remotely as good as Diggs.

For instance, Diggs leads the NFL in picks. He has more picks this year than Ramsey, Alexander, Humphrey, White, & Howard COMBINED. He literally reduces the size of the field because opposing coordinators deliberately avoid throwing anywhere near him.

Doesn't he also have more yards conceded per target than any CB in the NFL this year?
 
I'm generally a Cowboys sceptic and don't care for Jerry Jones after his ego couldn't bear Jimmy Johnson 's success, which basically broke up what could've been the greatest dynasty in NFL history. What sets this team apart from those in the past couple of decades is that it actually has a good head coach, one of the best coordinators in the league, and has both well executing offense and defenses. It would still be an uphill climb to get to the Super Bowl given that they're 4th, but anything is possible if your offense is capable of putting up 50 on playoff teams like the Eagles.

Was pretty much entirely a backup Eagles team last night. Certainly on defence.

I suppose I just see it differently. Every time we have played someone good, we've been beaten. I see the same happening against Arizona again next weekend. They had a number of starters out too last time we met.
 
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Honestly I think you’ve completely gone rogue on this one.

The name of the game at CB is interceptions, and on Diggs, the numbers don't lie. He's the only player with double digit picks and has the most interceptions in a season since Lester Hayes in 1980. That is unprecedented dominance that no other player has matched in decades.
 
The name of the game at CB is interceptions, and on Diggs, the numbers don't lie. He's the only player with double digit picks and has the most interceptions in a season since Lester Hayes in 1980. That is unprecedented dominance that no other player has matched in decades.
That stat alone should tell you why interceptions are not the “name of the game” for CBs. Are you therefore saying he is better than all the CBs since 1980? This is just complete and utter bollocks. We are so far apart in our views here that I don’t think we will even get close to common ground.
 
It’s clear his aggressiveness to get picks is costing him to blow up coverages. He’s young though. When he gets his aggressiveness balanced with sound fundamental coverage play, he does have some very good potential. But to already put him up there? No thanks.

100%. Good QBs will (and have) take advantage of that. That being said, the aggressiveness on defence and the amount of turnovers they have forced is what has allowed us to stay in some games we'd have previously lost.
 
Was pretty much entirely a backup Eagles team last night. Certainly on defence.

I suppose I just see it differently. Every time we have played someone good, we've been beaten. I see the same happening against Arizona again next weekend. They had a number of starters out too last time we met.

It could happen. The Cowboys are by no means dominant, but then again, neither is anyone else this year. The Packers, because of Rodgers, are probably the leading contenders, but after that, any of the others could easily slide in based on their form and momentum they carry into the post season. There have been 7 wild card teams over the years who won the Super Bowl because they happened to get very good late in the season and in the early playoff rounds. Dak has thrown 12 TDs in his past 3 games, which is a very positive sign going forward.
 
I assume you’re saying ‘McCarthy is the head coach so they have no shot’

He is a popular punching bag (and with good reason, given some of his actions) but he is a Super Bowl winning head coach after all.
Not so much 2+2=5 but 2+2=37

You “Who believes the Cowboys can legitimately make noise in the postseason?”

Me “McCarthy”

I’d like to assume McCarthy thinks they have a shot.
 
I see that the Cowboys are very polarising :lol:

I think it's because the numbers make them look like world beaters. They have put up some insane scores this season but its mainly been against absolute trash.

Arizona will beat Dallas next weekend, unless we can somehow really establish the run again, which we haven't done against good defences since the Denver game / Zeke's knee issue.
 
The name of the game at CB is interceptions, and on Diggs, the numbers don't lie. He's the only player with double digit picks and has the most interceptions in a season since Lester Hayes in 1980. That is unprecedented dominance that no other player has matched in decades.
Revis made all pro in 2010 without a single Int all season. The man was so good, nobody threw at him. Richard Sherman, who managed to get HoF QB Aaron Rodgers to avoid him for a complete game, barely recorded Int‘s either. They are arguably two of the five best DB‘s of the last 20 years.
 
100%. Good QBs will (and have) take advantage of that. That being said, the aggressiveness on defence and the amount of turnovers they have forced is what has allowed us to stay in some games we'd have previously lost.
Turnovers are obviously critically important and an overall important statistic for any defensive player and unit. But the point here is that I think Diggs is probably in a hugely unique situation where his coverage stats outside of pick plays are awful. I would hazard a guess that that is very very rare. Players like Jackson, for example, combine picks with overall staunch pass coverage stats.
 
Fangio out…



For those without Athletic subs, the article proposes the following as potential Broncos coaches

Nathaniel Hackett, offensive coordinator, Packers
Dan Quinn, defensive coordinator, Cowboys
Todd Bowles, defensive coordinator, Buccaneers
Marcus Brady, offensive coordinator, Colts
Doug Pederson, former head coach, Eagles
Brian Daboll, offensive coordinator, Bills
Kevin O’Connell, offensive coordinator, Rams
Kellen Moore, offensive coordinator, Cowboys
Byron Leftwich, offensive coordinator, Buccaneers
Gary Kubiak, former NFL head coach and offensive coordinator



Of these options: Kubiak, Moore, and Leftwich would seem the most logical.

Also, a bit odd that Bienemy was left off.
 
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For those without Athletic subs, the article proposes the following as potential Broncos coaches

Nathaniel Hackett, offensive coordinator, Packers
Dan Quinn, defensive coordinator, Cowboys
Todd Bowles, defensive coordinator, Buccaneers
Marcus Brady, offensive coordinator, Colts
Doug Pederson, former head coach, Eagles
Brian Daboll, offensive coordinator, Bills
Kevin O’Connell, offensive coordinator, Rams
Kellen Moore, offensive coordinator, Cowboys
Byron Leftwich, offensive coordinator, Buccaneers
Gary Kubiak, former NFL head coach and offensive coordinator



Of these options: Kubiak, Moore, and Leftwich would seem the most logical.

Also, a bit off that Bienemy was left off.
I recon their HC pick will say a lot about what they’re gonna try do at QB.
 
Revis made all pro in 2010 without a single Int all season. The man was so good, nobody threw at him. Richard Sherman, who managed to get HoF QB Aaron Rodgers to avoid him for a complete game, barely recorded Int‘s either. They are arguably two of the five best DB‘s of the last 20 years.

What often happens with some CBs is they get recognized by fans and sports journalists based on name recognition, sometimes for years after they actually produced anything on the field of play. Sherman for instance, has been living off the fumes of what he did in 2012 and 2013 for years and never came close to achieving those numbers again, but the name recognition and memories of those two years helped him get a big contract in SF, where he was generally considered a flop (4 picks in 3 years). Revis is pretty much in the same category - a couple of great years very early on, then faded rapidly, but still continued to receive accolades because people remembered the early years. When Sherman first entered the league, he was annoyed that Revis was still perceived as the best CB in the game by journos, and rightly so.
 
I think Fangio could be a legit D cord. hire somewhere though.

Yea he’s good at organising a defence mostly, although better at pass than run D, but he’s an inept HC.

Shurmur and McMahon should be next to go if there’s any sense.
 
For those without Athletic subs, the article proposes the following as potential Broncos coaches

Nathaniel Hackett, offensive coordinator, Packers
Dan Quinn, defensive coordinator, Cowboys
Todd Bowles, defensive coordinator, Buccaneers
Marcus Brady, offensive coordinator, Colts
Doug Pederson, former head coach, Eagles
Brian Daboll, offensive coordinator, Bills
Kevin O’Connell, offensive coordinator, Rams
Kellen Moore, offensive coordinator, Cowboys
Byron Leftwich, offensive coordinator, Buccaneers
Gary Kubiak, former NFL head coach and offensive coordinator



Of these options: Kubiak, Moore, and Leftwich would seem the most logical.

Also, a bit off that Bienemy was left off.
I’m worried Leftwich might be locked in at Jax. He played there and has name recognition working for Tampa and learning under Arians.

If we’re not getting a veteran QB, then that is when Moore becomes more attractive. He is a guy to mentor a rookie QB. There persists the idea that with the ownership situation in flux we’ll be inclined to play it safe and go with a former HC. In that instance I prefer Pederson over Quinn.

There is zero chance Bienemy gets the job, so no need to list him.
 
I’m worried Leftwich might be locked in at Jax. He played there and has name recognition working for Tampa and learning under Arians.

If we’re not getting a veteran QB, then that is when Moore becomes more attractive. He is a guy to mentor a rookie QB. There persists the idea that with the ownership situation in flux we’ll be inclined to play it safe and go with a former HC. In that instance I prefer Pederson over Quinn.

There is zero chance Bienemy gets the job, so no need to list him.
I’d heard about this ownership change thing but haven’t read much about it. What’s happening? Any good articles?
 
I’m worried Leftwich might be locked in at Jax. He played there and has name recognition working for Tampa and learning under Arians.

If we’re not getting a veteran QB, then that is when Moore becomes more attractive. He is a guy to mentor a rookie QB. There persists the idea that with the ownership situation in flux we’ll be inclined to play it safe and go with a former HC. In that instance I prefer Pederson over Quinn.

There is zero chance Bienemy gets the job, so no need to list him.

I think they have to go with who is the hottest OC in the league right now, and that would be Moore.
 
I’d heard about this ownership change thing but haven’t read much about it. What’s happening? Any good articles?
Lots of speculation that we’ve played the last game under Bowlen family ownership due to cases involving the family trust. Been talk recently of a consortium involving Peyton Manning being in the running but who the hell knows.
 
I’d heard about this ownership change thing but haven’t read much about it. What’s happening? Any good articles?
I’ll have a look for articles. Basically there is this ongoing lawsuit drama regarding succession after the late great Pat Bowlen moved on.

With franchise value set to grow even more dramatically after the slow legalization of gambling, it has attracted a lot of interest. Like Bezos level interest, with Jay-Z as a minority owner. Maybe that was just fan fiction…but it sounds fun.

The Mannings would need a billionaire backer same as Jay-Z I believe.
 
Lots of speculation that we’ve played the last game under Bowlen family ownership due to cases involving the family trust. Been talk recently of a consortium involving Peyton Manning being in the running but who the hell knows.
I’ll have a look for articles. Basically there is this ongoing lawsuit drama regarding succession after the late great Pat Bowlen moved on.

With franchise value set to grow even more dramatically after the slow legalization of gambling, it has attracted a lot of interest. Like Bezos level interest, with Jay-Z as a minority owner. Maybe that was just fan fiction…but it sounds fun.

The Mannings would need a billionaire backer same as Jay-Z I believe.
Thanks both
 
Revis made all pro in 2010 without a single Int all season. The man was so good, nobody threw at him. Richard Sherman, who managed to get HoF QB Aaron Rodgers to avoid him for a complete game, barely recorded Int‘s either. They are arguably two of the five best DB‘s of the last 20 years.

Richard Sherman led the league in interceptions through his first seven seasons in the league with 32 (before moving to the 49'ers). I do agree that it is not the one defining stat for a DB, though.
 
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