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Going into free agency is inefficient. That's not a goal teams should have.

Which is why teams don't give valuable draft capital as cheaply as you have tried to argue...
 
its not cheap if its for the second most valuable player in the league. youre the one that keeps arguing for a rookie qb so you can dip into free agency.

No I'm arguing that I don't see teams give up that much draft capital at the exception of gambling on a QB that has a rookie contract. I don't have examples of what you are suggesting and you thought that your best example was RG3 which matches with my perception of things, not yours.
 


Watson is incredibly valuable and if I was a team like the Dolphins, I’d pay almost everything the Texans want. And eboue is absolutely right, it doesn’t even make sense to compare his value to that of players at other positions.
 


Watson is incredibly valuable and if I was a team like the Dolphins, I’d pay almost everything the Texans want. And eboue is absolutely right, it doesn’t even make sense to compare his value to that of players at other positions.


But that stat doesn't actually support the idea that you should pay everything the Texans want, if anything it tells you the opposite. The Texans have Watson, an incredibly talented QB who was fairly cheap this year and yet they won 4 games. Even when you have Watson you need to build a solid the team, by trading too much high round picks and reducing your cap flexibility you prevent yourself from building that solid team. It's reminiscent of the Packers who despite having arguably the best QB in the last decade haven't won a SB since 2010.
Now as I said it depends a lot on context and some teams are in a position to take that kind of gamble the Colts being the obvious ones but for many teams Watson isn't worth what the Texans would want.
 
But that stat doesn't actually support the idea that you should pay everything the Texans want, if anything it tells you the opposite. The Texans have Watson, an incredibly talented QB who was fairly cheap this year and yet they won 4 games. Even when you have Watson you need to build a solid the team, by trading too much high round picks and reducing your cap flexibility you prevent yourself from building that solid team. It's reminiscent of the Packers who despite having arguably the best QB in the last decade haven't won a SB since 2010.
Now as I said it depends a lot on context and some teams are in a position to take that kind of gamble the Colts being the obvious ones but for many teams Watson isn't worth what the Texans would want.
There are plenty of teams who would want to trade for Watson who already have a solid team, like the Steelers.
 
There are plenty of teams who would want to trade for Watson who already have a solid team, like the Steelers.

I know, I mentioned it in the previous thread, though I used the Colts as an example. I was responding to the idea that it's an absolute truth, from the beginning I said that it depends on context and that not all teams are in a position to give eveything the Texans may want. Though the Steelers wouldn't give Watt while also giving 3 first rounds and 3 second rounds.
 
I had a dream Washington beat Tompa Bay. Surprisingly, it is not the game with the largest spread - that being the Bears-Saints.
 
Game Pass costs €55 for just the playoff games and Super Bowl live? Feck sake that’s a lot.
 
Annoying the Washington-Tampa game is the late kick-off. If WFT’s defense can get consistent pressure on Brady then it could be a closer game than expected. I really hope Alex Smith can shake off his injury & play some part in the game.
 
Annoying the Washington-Tampa game is the late kick-off. If WFT’s defense can get consistent pressure on Brady then it could be a closer game than expected. I really hope Alex Smith can shake off his injury & play some part in the game.

As one analyst mentioned yesterday, WFT's offense also has to play.
 
As one analyst mentioned yesterday, WFT's offense also has to play.

Of course. However, IMO, the tone of the game will be set by their D. Get pressure on Brady, annoy him so he starts complaining about everything, force incompletions/INTs - it’s easier said than done but they are a talented DL who can make things uncomfortable for Tampa. Ultimately, I think Tampa wins, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s a close game.
 
Of course. However, IMO, the tone of the game will be set by their D. Get pressure on Brady, annoy him so he starts complaining about everything, force incompletions/INTs - it’s easier said than done but they are a talented DL who can make things uncomfortable for Tampa. Ultimately, I think Tampa wins, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s a close game.
Another factor is the advantage of TB’s #1 rush defense is negated by the fact WFT’s rushing game is so shit to begin with.
 
I had a dream Washington beat Tompa Bay. Surprisingly, it is not the game with the largest spread - that being the Bears-Saints.
Like the under in that game. Washington D is really good. I can see them keeping it close. Don't see Washington's offense being able to do enough with Smith and Heinicke.

Tampa does enough to win though. That Sunday night game was telling, Philly would have won if Hurts was left in.
 
:lol:

Foles, Goff, Lock, Cousins, ... They are all of no use to the Texans at the moment.

You shouldn't worry about those proposals anyway, you are not trading him. Despite my attempt at finding his "true" value, he is invaluable for the Texans.
 
Of course. However, IMO, the tone of the game will be set by their D. Get pressure on Brady, annoy him so he starts complaining about everything, force incompletions/INTs - it’s easier said than done but they are a talented DL who can make things uncomfortable for Tampa. Ultimately, I think Tampa wins, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s a close game.

Tampa's DL is no slouch either and I'd pick Brady to perform better than a rotation of Smith/Heinicke also facing relentless pressure. Tampa's D is in the top 10 of most defensive statistics, 1st against the run and t-4th in sacks, 5th in Def DVOA (WFT is 3rd), and that's with the Saints in the division compared to WFT's stats somewhat padded by a weak NFC East slate. TB's OL has improved during the season but has struggled against top tier DLs though I'd be interested to see WFT's OL in the same measurement.

What's being unsaid is that while WFT has a solid pass rush the Bucs actually had more sacks, get more pressure, more QB hits, more interceptions, and more fumbles recovered (Tampa can be passed on). That spells a likely long day for an hobbled Smith and raw Heinicke, and that's also taking into account the WFT defense can be run against (14th); last 4 games: 108, 181, 113, 118 - only Seattle had a winning record in that group. If WFT can't get a run offense going they're likely in trouble. Same could apply if TB struggle with the run and both teams have shitty run offenses while WFT backs lost fumbles twice as much. Additionally, TB's offense was 3rd in Off DVOA (2nd Total DVOA) while WFT ranked dead last (and 16th Total DVOA).

Of course any NFL game can go one way or the other, just seems more like hoping to see Brady fail versus looking at the whole match-up. Brady will need an epic shit game, or same bizarre play setting up a late FG/TD for WFT, to lose this game IMO. Anything can happen on any given Sunday Saturday.
 
Like the under in that game. Washington D is really good. I can see them keeping it close. Don't see Washington's offense being able to do enough with Smith and Heinicke.

Tampa does enough to win though. That Sunday night game was telling, Philly would have won if Hurts was left in.
It will almost require a defensive score, or at least some very short fields provided by the defense, but I trust my visions.
 
IM feckING PUMPED!! The wildcards last year were all close games and hopefully this will be the same. Are there any good build up shows I should be watching?
 
Tampa's DL is no slouch either and I'd pick Brady to perform better than a rotation of Smith/Heinicke also facing relentless pressure. Tampa's D is in the top 10 of most defensive statistics, 1st against the run and t-4th in sacks, 5th in Def DVOA (WFT is 3rd), and that's with the Saints in the division compared to WFT's stats somewhat padded by a weak NFC East slate. TB's OL has improved during the season but has struggled against top tier DLs though I'd be interested to see WFT's OL in the same measurement.

What's being unsaid is that while WFT has a solid pass rush the Bucs actually had more sacks, get more pressure, more QB hits, more interceptions, and more fumbles recovered (Tampa can be passed on). That spells a likely long day for an hobbled Smith and raw Heinicke, and that's also taking into account the WFT defense can be run against (14th); last 4 games: 108, 181, 113, 118 - only Seattle had a winning record in that group. If WFT can't get a run offense going they're likely in trouble. Same could apply if TB struggle with the run and both teams have shitty run offenses while WFT backs lost fumbles twice as much. Additionally, TB's offense was 3rd in Off DVOA (2nd Total DVOA) while WFT ranked dead last (and 16th Total DVOA).

Of course any NFL game can go one way or the other, just seems more like hoping to see Brady fail versus looking at the whole match-up. Brady will need an epic shit game, or same bizarre play setting up a late FG/TD for WFT, to lose this game IMO. Anything can happen on any given Sunday Saturday.


Agree with all you said . What also goes against WFT is that unlike someone like Goff it's very unlikely that Brady is going to lose the game . He might have a bad game but I would still expect him to manage it well
 
IM feckING PUMPED!! The wildcards last year were all close games and hopefully this will be the same. Are there any good build up shows I should be watching?


I love the 6 games over the weekend schedule. Watching good morning football right now
 
I selected the Bills defense for the fantasy thing so I'm hoping for a great showing from them.
 
Going with the favorites for this round - Bills, Titans, Steelers and Seahawks, Bucs, Saints.

Feel like only Ravens and WFT have the potential for an upset.
 
Possibly Phillip Rivers’ last ever game.
 
I'm such a child. I made sure to buy franks hot sauce so I could have buffalo chicken whilst watching the Bills tonight.
 
That neutral zone infraction was so brainless.
 
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