I always say, best possible player. Lucky, if it's in the position we want...but still....Best possible player!
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I always say, best possible player. Lucky, if it's in the position we want...but still....Best possible player!
I fully agree. Which is why I really like to trade down to fit need and value.
There's certainly a debate to be had there.
Peyton won with Indy in 2006 and that defense wasn't great but was pretty good in the playoffs. Both Brady and Eli had statistically bad defenses in 2011 but the Giants defense got good in the postseason. Brees and the 2009 Saints weren't very good defensively but they forced a ton of turnovers, something like +30 for the season. They basically won the SB on an interception returned for a score. The Giants in 2007 were the epitome of average on both sides of the ball but made the key plays in the postseason, kinda like a Liverpool 2005 CL run in that aspect.
Flip side, both Brock and Peyton were garbage in 2015 but the defense was generational good. An elite QB would likely have gone unbeaten with that defense (they also had some damn good offensive weapons). Dilfer and Banks sucked balls in 2000 but the Ravens had arguably the greatest single season defense ever*. The likes of Hostetler and Simms weren't exactly great QBs but those Giants defenses were exceptional. And one can always look to the the 2001 Patriots as another example of decent QB play (honestly, the offensive scheme was scaled back to avoid Brady losing games versus winning them due to his inexperience) but a stalwart defense and great coach scheming. Ty Law was robbed of the MVP in that game for the feel-good story of Brady, IMO.
*Up for debate with a handful of other dominant defensive seasons.
The honest answer is, it depends. Certainly can’t say ones better than the other. And a “great defence” can mean many things. For example the Patriots D last year gave up a fair chunk of yards. But knew how to play situational football I.e win on 3rd downs and, in particular, red zone defence. On the other hand, the Broncos D a couple years back was simply stellar across the board.
And again - great QB could mean someone who doesn’t turn it over but doesn’t put the game on his back and is propped up by a good supporting cast and running game (kinda like how Dak had a fairly “great” year last year all things considered because he didn’t need to be the one to carry a team. Or could be someone like Rodgers or Brady who genuinely carry and elevate the team.
For me a great red zone defence with a balanced offence (unless you’ve truly got generational QBs like a Rodgers or Brady) is the ultimate combination.
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I guess the answer to my question would be either is fine. You can both ways. As ever there are multiple ways of doing it. Based on your examples looks like it is best epitomized by Belichick and his Pats winning games and superbowls in different ways. Probably why makes him the greatest ever too.
Rodgers and Packs are a prime example of an elite QB with a bad defense not winning as much as they should have. Only one ring for Rodgers so far is dismal. They have an elite offense season after season.
Same can be said for a few QBs that never won a championship like Fouts, Marino, Rivers, Romo, etc.
Wouldnt call either Rivers or Romo elite QBs to be perfectly honest.
That's a fair point although for most it seems winning often separates from the top tier elite level to just being great or very good. Rivers and Romo are/were exceptional QBs.
If we're honest here, we all know Eli is not a HOF caliber QB. But he won two SBs so he will likely be enshrined, yet Jim Plunkett hasn't made it. Eli benefits from the current social media/24-7 exposure, playing for a big city marquee club, winning both titles over the GOAT, and his brother/father's namesake. Perfect recipe for HOF election.
I've heard people say Rivers is a HOFer in the future but if he makes it in then quite a few others should as well.
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Eli and Rivers have no business of getting near the HoF. They are simply not good enough.
Agreed but like Marcello said Eli is nailed on to be a hall of famer.
Which makes me much madder than it should, to be honest.
That first quarter-and-a-half was more like last season, great to see (aside from the special teams that is,,,), my blood pressure could've done without that 4th quarter though.
And while Seattle's propensity to give up copious penalty yardage was a factor, that call not go for the field goal is what everyone's talking about.
Totally entertaining stuff for everyone else.
And while Seattle's propensity to give up copious penalty yardage was a factor, that call not go for the field goal is what everyone's talking about.
Totally entertaining stuff for everyone else.
Carroll has a knack of going for the "spectacular" play or being against the grain when it comes to big moments and important play calls. Easy to point to the Superbowl a few years ago, but the reality is it surfaces many times a year and is often overlooked because it isn't as high profile as when it happened in the Superbowl. Easy to forget after the week. Yesterday was a classic example.
Any comments to the decision to not try to pick up an extra 4-10 yards before the FG? Would have been a big risk if the play took to long or a receiver does not get out of bounds. But the kicker hadn't been good at 50+ yards in a while.
I felt that play after Graham had made a long catch, Wilson should have spiked the ball to stop the clock. Instead, they run a play over the middle, then do the same on second down. They wasted two plays and considerable time there for about 8 yards of offense.
I felt that play after Graham had made a long catch, Wilson should have spiked the ball to stop the clock. Instead, they run a play over the middle, then do the same on second down. They wasted two plays and considerable time there for about 8 yards of offense.
You play what's in front of you . Any team can lose in the playoffs on the odd just like Patriots in 16-0 season or Cowboys last season but overall in today's NFL going 9-1 is a massive start irrespective of the teams faced . Overall the team is fairly well balanced and if Wentz stays fit I think that we can beat anyone
Of course. And I’m not trying to downplay what your teams done. Of course 9-1 is a great return in any context.
Just saying that there is a plausible context whereby they might not be quite as good as they look, simply because of those opposition faced.
Ugh, by the sounds of things poor coaching and penalties are biting us (Seattle) in the ass again.
You think Redcafe is bad after a loss you should read seahawks.net, would have fired Carroll long ago.
You think Redcafe is bad after a loss you should read seahawks.net, would have fired Carroll long ago.
It’s one of those that if you don’t follow much you kinda just say “What?! He got you to super bowls and won one!”
But if you do follow you realise he’s also cost you at times.
True. I have my gripes with play calling and coaching from front to back but I still wouldn't swap him for many in the league. Playoffs every year in the NFL is not done by many... Not that you lot can relate to that.
Haha FU!
To be fair other than play calling and penalties I don’t see many other big issues.
Broncos starting Paxton Lynch at QB this weekend. Time to pick up the Raiders D/ST in fantasy.
I think that the Seahawks front office deserves criticism tbh. Russel Wilson for me is basically keeping this team in the playoffs race by himself. If Wilson had an injury like Rodgers then this team would struggle to win any games at all . The offensive line is an absolute mess and maybe they will make the Playoffs again but they have no chance imo of going deep
How about sacking Joseph and getting a proper head coach in - then draft someone like Lamar Jackson or Baker Mayfield for next year.
Browns and the Giants still have a better record. They both will be looking at QBs as well.
I'm counting on Joseph being shitcanned at the end of the season anyway, but it's still the only sensible decision to put Lynch in and see if he's worth a damn.
If Joseph doesn't get sacked I'll be livid, although the solitary saving grace would be the Broncos might be on Hard Knocks
Who do you see as proper HC material?
I'd break the bank on Jon Gruden immediately before he signs for a college team.
You are giving way too much credit to our Defence. Perfect team to play against for Lynch's first start.
Its still an away game. He might succumb to the pressure and throw a couple of interceptions.
Go all out for Jim Harbaugh.
Why is Russell Wilson not considered an elite QB?
Funny, he is the first(only) name that I had in mind. But is he a compatible with Elway?
He is?
And probably the first decision out of the Broncos organisation that I can actually think “yep, makes sense” to this year.
John Pagano named Raiders' DC, isn't he absolutely terrible?
More logical choice would be for Kubiak to return next year. He and Elway are long time best mates and Kubiak was Elway's backup for many years in the 80s. Kubiak is actually back in the Broncos front office now.
That still however wouldn't resolve the QB situation. They need to go out and get a top QB this summer and kick some of these scrubs to the curb.
We havent had a single interception all season.. only team in the NFL!
harbaugh isn't leaving
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