I hate the Pats but complaining about OT rules ? C'mon now. Notice how it wasn't an issue ALL season.
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Or put more effort into winning the toin coss. Simple.
Yeah. Except I couldn't give a bollox about the Patriots or the Falcons. I only watched it last night for the spectacle. It was my first game to watch all year.
So, let's clear this up. The team that wins the toss wins just over 50% of the time, right?
And JastAFan tells me that 75% of the time both teams get a possession. So that's 1/4 of OT games, where a team doesn't get a chance to win the match in OT.
But the coin toss isn't an advantage? Haha. Ok lads.
I'm very surprised at one of Raoul's main arguments being "don't want to lose in OT? Win it in normal time". That's absolutely ridiculous. If a champions league final finished a draw and it came straight to sudden death penalties, but there was a coin toss and if the team who won the toss got to take the first penalty. And if they scored, that was it, other team won, would that be fair?
Now as Raoul also said, but winning the toss doesn't win you the game. That's true, You still have to score the penalty. The keeper can save the penalty.
Now if you can't see how losing the toss is a disadvantage there then I suppose we're done. And obviously the soccer scenario is a bit more extreme, it's easier to score a penalty than drive for a touch down. But the point still stands. After the full game where both teams end the match level, a flip of a coin gives one team an advantage. The stats say only a 5/6% advantage. But that's still an advantage. You can't deny it when the very people arguing against me are giving me the stats that show it's an advantage.
Jesus, this descended into a mess after I went to bed.
The OT rules are pretty clearly unbalanced, I don't see why that's such a controversial thing to say. It was also questioned by people watching who didn't understand the sport and had absolutely no steak in who won so there's no bitterness involved whatsoever. The logic of "that's the rule so it can't be unfair" is nonsense as well.
Eboue is also right when he says anything less than worship of Brady is attacked as if you've shat on someone's face.
The OT rules are pretty clearly unbalanced, I don't see why that's such a controversial thing to say. It was also questioned by people watching who didn't understand the sport and had absolutely no steak in who won so there's no bitterness involved whatsoever. The logic of "that's the rule so it can't be unfair" is nonsense as well.
Eboue is also right when he says anything less than worship of Brady is attacked as if you've shat on someone's face.
Why are the Patriots and Brady unpopular?
How dare you talk about something more right after it just happened. What a sore loser. Sad!
The OT rule is unfair. Both teams should get 1 possession regardless of the first scores a TD or not.
I'm certain they'll change it this off-season, at least for the playoffs.
How do the college rules differ? I've heard quite a few people say the college rules are better than the pros?!
I'm certain they'll change it this off-season, at least for the playoffs.
How do the college rules differ? I've heard quite a few people say the college rules are better than the pros?!
Look, I'm not saying that the overtime rule is perfect. In fact, I'd probably agree it needs changing. But:
1) The same people making a meal of it now, would not be doing so if the Falcons had won it in the same way. That is a fact. And that is why it riles some of us.
2) The bold argument is a bit stupid, as scoring a penalty is quite clearly significantly easier than driving 75 yards for a touchdown.
The reality is, it is point 1 that has caused the issue. It's using anything to try and put something in the tickbox against why this superbowl win means nothing and why Brady and the Patriots aren't as good as everyone seems to think.
If you can't aknowledge that reality and that motive, then so be it and enjoy the rest of your day.
It's funny though, isn't it, that apparently all of you can take a free run at Brady and the Patriots, but the moment we might try and defend them, they get attacked? Open your eyes and look down the last few pages. It is fairly clear that Patriots fans are in the minority.
It's not about whether the OT rule is unfair or not. I think it's safe to say that most people, myself included, agree that it should be changed. The reality is though that all of those complaining about it now are only doing so because it's the Patriots who benefited from it. I bet there'd be nothing on it if the Falcons won. That's why the thread has turned into a mess.
Also, it's funny how the Patriots "only" won because of this OT. No acknowledgment of how we even got to that point.
In summary, this comment about the OT rules is just a mask for what are really bitter fans angry that the Patriots won. Otherwise, we might actually see some objectivity and balance in their posts.
There are a number of reasons. The Patriots once got caught spying on opposition training many years back. Couple years back, were involved in deflate gate (although many people believe this was just a farce and nonsense).
But truly, if i'm honest, it's largely just because they have been a dominating team over the last 2 decades. In many ways, similar to how Man Utd are largely hated in the UK.
Wow, seems I went to bed a little bit prematurely. It seems you're all happy with the OT Patriots win as well.
What are the OT rules?
Thought as much
Don't disagree with this point but not surprised how opponent fans are reacting. There is hate for Pats (not necessarily from posters on the Caf) like opposition fans hated United under Sir Alex.
This is one of the reasons they are disliked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflategate
As for Brady, people hated him even more when it was revealed he was supporting Trump. Though the coward got his wife to deny it when he started getting some flack.
Fair enough. I'm not surprised that there is hate, just think some of it is nonsense. And I will put my point across, even if it makes people call me a cry baby or whatever. No point to just agree with everything in the interest of getting along lol.
In reality the hate started long long before Deflategate. And fairly certain Trump had nothing to do with it lol.
So it was revealed he was friends with Trump, got hammered
Then tried to deny it and got hammered
Some comeback. I gave up once regular time was called because I was knackered. Could already tell it was happening anyway.
I'm cringing a bit at how hard Mark Wahlberg must be kicking himself today.
I'm cringing a bit at how hard Mark Wahlberg must be kicking himself today.
The Jules catch changed the momentum of the game, but also going no huddle for most of the final 3 drives was key. Their D was noticeably more tired & our receivers were finally getting open & holding onto catches.
Brady did was Brady does but looking ahead to next season we could really use a RB to help Brady. Wonder what happened to Lewis?!
Brady did was Brady does but looking ahead to next season we could really use a RB to help Brady. Wonder what happened to Lewis?!
He was hated a long time before the Trump story and deflategate. Though some people hated him even more when Trump told everyone Brady was supporting him.
Yep
He's said in an interview afterwards he's fine
Ah ok. Good news, was fearing it was the same thing he did before.
Precisely.
College rules give each team one possession from the 25 I think.
Free run at what? You jumped on Eboue and he even likes Brady, he was just talking about the OT rules. And Pats fans are not in the minority on here at all, there's far more of you than any other team fans.
See this is exactly the kind of thing that people hate about the typical Pats fan. The conversation about OT started because a question was asked about it seeming unfair from a total neutral watching the game without any allegiance to anyone and trying to understand the sport.
You can't possibly say it's only being discussed because "everyone's just bitter" that your team won. Not everything revolves around the bloody Patriots. They rightly won, Falcons threw away what should have been an insurmountable lead with some bad plays and the Patriots deservedly jumped on it to win.
This victim complex is seriously scouselike.
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Coin toss decides who starts with possession and if they score a TD the game is over they win.
If they score only a FG the other team gets the chance to reply, and obviously if they don't score at all the other team takes over.
Ah get ya. So in a game where possession is key, they introduce a golden TD rule on a coin toss?
Yeah, I'd say it is unfair.Yep. High school and college get one possession each, which is much more balanced.Ah get ya. So in a game where possession is key, they introduce a golden TD rule on a coin toss?
Yeah much more. Why the difference in rules from college, to nfl though? College football is huge, I'd have thought the rules would mirror the NFL.
It seems like you will not appreciate the point I am trying to make. If i defend Brady, or defend the result, I am acting like a victim? Or, because there are SOME people on here who clearly are using it because they are bitter, and I state as much, I am a typical hated Pats fan who thinks the world revolves around us? Sorry, but you need to get off your high horse. It's ironic that you are jumping on me for making a point in positive light about Brady / Patriots, when there is plenty of evidence all throughout this thread that I am not an egotistical fan who can't accept criticism of the Patriots. I believe it is in fact you who is clouded by dislike of the Patriots to not even be able to contemplate that a Patriots fan may not be a dick.
I've clearly said, above, that the rule needs changing. Acknowledging that, and also appreciating the fact that there are some who don't care about the rule, only that it matters now because the Patriots benefited from it, are not mutually exclusive.
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Also just to add, I jumped on Eboue because of his analysis about the rule. Absolutely nothing to do with the Patriots, absolutely nothing to do with Brady, and absolutely nothing to do with whether the rule needs changing.
Eboue's analysis was such that once the Patriots progressed 6 yards after receiving, our percentage chance of winning was 61% (not sure where that analysis even comes from, but fine we can take it at face value). Which is ridiculous. Why are we taking the percentage after we progressed 6 yards? Why not once we get the ball, where the chances are 51%?
My point is, he was skewing the stats to enhance his point. His point is valid, and he didn't need to do that, and that is why i jumped on him. Nothing to do with Brady. Nothing to do with the Patriots. I just don't like people who bullshit their way to making a point.
Also just to add, I jumped on Eboue because of his analysis about the rule. Absolutely nothing to do with the Patriots, absolutely nothing to do with Brady, and absolutely nothing to do with whether the rule needs changing.
Eboue's analysis was such that once the Patriots progressed 6 yards after receiving, our percentage chance of winning was 61% (not sure where that analysis even comes from, but fine we can take it at face value). Which is ridiculous. Why are we taking the percentage after we progressed 6 yards? Why not once we get the ball, where the chances are 51%?
My point is, he was skewing the stats to enhance his point. His point is valid, and he didn't need to do that, and that is why i jumped on him. Nothing to do with Brady. Nothing to do with the Patriots. I just don't like people who bullshit their way to making a point.
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No idea mate to be honest.
No, the repeated stating that the only reason anyone is talking about the OT rules is because of bitterness and hatred of your team when in actual fact it's because people who don't know the game asked about it being stupid, that's acting like a victim.
I'm not "jumping on you" for being positive about Brady, be as positive about him and the Patriots as much as you like, they just won the Super Bowl ffs you SHOULD be being positive about them, just don't accuse anyone talking about a pretty big factor of bring clouded by bitterness and hatred of the Patriots.
Nobody is saying the cheated (this time
) or they don't deserve it, just discussing a flawed rule that is very relevant right now.I'm not sure to be honest. I imagine the rule will be looked at now though. I agree it doesn't necessarily make sense that the second team can't touch the ball should the first get a touchdown. But if you look at all of the games that went to OT this year, most if not all of the others were not won on the opening drive of OT and both teams did touch the ball. So, there is an element of blowing this out of proportion. As someone posted before, 51/52% of teams win when they receive the ball first. So, it isn't exactly a colossal advantage. Nonetheless, i do agree that it should be changed.
No idea mate to be honest.
No, the repeated stating that the only reason anyone is talking about the OT rules is because of bitterness and hatred of your team when in actual fact it's because people who don't know the game asked about it being stupid, that's acting like a victim.
I'm not "jumping on you" for being positive about Brady, be as positive about him and the Patriots as much as you like, they just won the Super Bowl ffs you SHOULD be being positive about them, just don't accuse anyone talking about a pretty big factor of bring clouded by bitterness and hatred of the Patriots.
Nobody is saying the cheated (this time
I take your point, but do you truly believe this notion that no one here is using it as a reason to beat the Patriots because they are bitter? Carolina Red for example? I'm not generically categorizing anyone who is talking about OT as someone who hates the Patriots and is bitter; i've engaged in an adult discussion with a number of people who are actually discussing the point, and no just going physcho about it.
I thought the critique of the rule was quite reasonable to be honest, Carolina Red pointed to the difference in the high school and college games verses the NFL and I believe he coaches the game so has a pretty decent insight.
The defense of it, however, was quite hilariously flawed from some people; "it's the rules so it can't be unfair" is a special kind of logic.
There's also been plenty of people commenting on how well the Patriots did to come back, so it's not like people are saying they only won because of that.
Anyway, I'm calm and relaxed now - am done with these arguments. I'm happy we won, it was a good game. An unbelievable come back. But underpinned by some horrible play calling by the Falcons, and a couple of costly errors by Matty Ice who presented us the opportunity. Credit to Brady for getting us over the line though.
I said going into the game that even if we lose, I'd probably not be upset. Granted when we were getting thrashed, i was very upset but overall that Falcons offence was top notch and losing to them wouldn't have been so bad. Even towards the end, i kept thinking that if they score the FG they need to win or drive the field, then so be it and credit for them to overcome the rutt they were in to pull it out. They didn't though, and i feel a bit sorry for them as they've been thoroughly enjoyable to watch.
Inexperience cost the Falcons in the end I recon. But they'll be a scary team in the next few years as their offence is now bouyed and their defence grows older an dmore experienced.
I said going into the game that even if we lose, I'd probably not be upset. Granted when we were getting thrashed, i was very upset
but overall that Falcons offence was top notch and losing to them wouldn't have been so bad. Even towards the end, i kept thinking that if they score the FG they need to win or drive the field, then so be it and credit for them to overcome the rutt they were in to pull it out. They didn't though, and i feel a bit sorry for them as they've been thoroughly enjoyable to watch. Inexperience cost the Falcons in the end I recon. But they'll be a scary team in the next few years as their offence is now bouyed and their defence grows older an dmore experienced.
In fairness to Raoul I don't believe he meant it in the way you've quoted it. I think it was from the perspective of, everyone knew the rule irrespective of whether it's unfair or not, and so there can't be much said to knock it. I think that is a valid argument if a Falcons player says it, but probably not against a fan. Also i don't think many were outright defending the rule - i think it's pretty clear most on here want it changed.
And I don't doubt Carolina Red is knowledgeable, haven't said he isn't And we are already in agreement that the rule should probably be changed. Just it's clear some of his comments were out of bitterness; in fairness, he even said as much
And I don't doubt Carolina Red is knowledgeable, haven't said he isn't And we are already in agreement that the rule should probably be changed. Just it's clear some of his comments were out of bitterness; in fairness, he even said as much
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