Nfl 2010-2011

Harbaugh to Carolina and they draft Luck?

Guess the Clausen era would end rather quickly. Could always pull a Jimmy Johnson and ship Clausen out for a pick or two.
 
they'd almost have to draft Luck. I haven't seen alot of carolina games (probably a blessing) but from what I read Clausen looks way out of his depth. and you compare that to the performance of Bradford and Colt McCoy (drafted lower this season).

but if they really like what they see in clausen they'd beable to trade down quite easily there are plenty of teams that'd what a franchise QB, vikes, cards, even bills, bengals and maybe titans (depending on who stays out of Fish and Young)
 
one question I do have -

why don't teams seem to tank in the NFL (aside from Carolina who are either tanking or just really really suck)?

surely if you know your season is over it's more valuable for you to tank one season to get the higher picks for next?
 
they'd almost have to draft Luck. I haven't seen alot of carolina games (probably a blessing) but from what I read Clausen looks way out of his depth. and you compare that to the performance of Bradford and Colt McCoy (drafted lower this season).

but if they really like what they see in clausen they'd beable to trade down quite easily there are plenty of teams that'd what a franchise QB, vikes, cards, even bills, bengals and maybe titans (depending on who stays out of Fish and Young)

49ers.
 
true tho gotta feel sorry for alex smith, what is it? 6 offensive coordinators?

even the skins (looks to me like they'll cut mcnabb)
 
Troy Smith and his coach wishing a merry christmas to each other.

Patriots & Brady playing well again, I think this win will clinch the #1 seed in the AFC.

Edit: just looking at Brady's stats, he's only thrown for 87 yards so far, but has 3TD's!
 
Great game between Jets & Bears, another nice throw by Cutler, Bears lead 38-31.
 
Nice throw Bradford, what's the 49ers defender doing? They challenge it, but I think it's a TD as he touched the receiver when he got back up, not whilst he was down.
 
What's the playoff system in NFL.... 1 v 8, 2 v 7 etc... same as NBA? I've gotten into the Bears this year, looking forward to playoffs

It's not like the NBA. The winners of the 4 divisions in the NFC and AFC and 2 wildcard teams from each conference go into the playoffs.

Teams who finish #1 and 2 get a bye week. That week, the other teams play so the team seeded 3 vs. 6 and 4 vs. 5. Then the next week (hypothetically) 1 vs. 4 & 2 vs. 3. After that you have the conference championship game (eg. 1 vs 2) Then the winner of the AFC championship plays the NFC champ in the Superbowl.

Patriots clinch #1 seed in the AFC, another good day at the office for Brady and the boys.
 
It's not like the NBA. The winners of the 4 divisions in the NFC and AFC and 2 wildcard teams from each conference go into the playoffs.

Teams who finish #1 and 2 get a bye week. That week, the other teams play so the team seeded 3 vs. 6 and 4 vs. 5. Then the next week (hypothetically) 1 vs. 4 & 2 vs. 3. After that you have the conference championship game (eg. 1 vs 2) Then the winner of the AFC championship plays the NFC champ in the Superbowl.

Patriots clinch #1 seed in the AFC, another good day at the office for Brady and the boys.

Thank you!
 
What was the shouting match with Singletary about?

At this point it was probably about Singletary getting fired. Actually Singletary is the easiest head coach to jerk around. All you have to do to not get bench is scream at him and to him that shows "fire" and the will to win and he'll leave you in the game. Shaun Hill did it. Alex Smith did it. Now Troy Smith has done it.

As for playoffs, ha_rooney got it mostly right (maybe all right but I'm just expanding). It's highest seed versus lowest seed like other playoff seeding systems, but since they only let six teams in each conference the top two teams have a bye. 3 and 4 are the two bottom division winners. 5 and 6 are the two wild card winners. 6 at 3, 4 at 5.

After that the remaining teams are reshuffled so highest seed plays lowest seed again (though I think this time home field is decided by record and not seed; correct me if I'm wrong). Like ha_rooney says, theoretically it should be 4 at 1 and 3 at 2, but that's only if the division winners win. If it was 1,2,4,6 remaining, 4 would play 2 instead of 1 like in the first scenario since 6 is the lowest and has to play the highest. 3 and 6 are the only teams that have guaranteed opponents if they win. The opponents for the other two seeds are dependent on what happens in the other game.

After that the conference championships and the Super Bowl.

So Dresilved, if your initial instinct was to guess that low seed plays high seed, that instinct was correct, only two teams have byes since there's only six teams instead of eight, and the teams are rebracketed after the wild card round.
 
Why is it that American Football has a relatively short season, I've always found that to be interesting - is it the same in the college leagues and at amateur level?

Plus how long is the post-season? NFL players must get ridiculously long breaks.
 
Why is it that American Football has a relatively short season, I've always found that to be interesting - is it the same in the college leagues and at amateur level?

Plus how long is the post-season? NFL players must get ridiculously long breaks.

Compared to other sports, NFL offseason is much longer, though there's offseason workouts and stuff to help players either get in shape or improve on their skills. Roughly it's one month of training camp, one month of preseason, four months of regular season, and one month of playoffs.

College only has roughly 11 games (at least at the top level) but bowl season is stretched out a bit, though every qualifying team only plays one game. I think the lower divisions have the same length regular season but 16 team playoffs to decide the champion.

Length of high school playoffs depends on the state I think since some states have a lot of teams while others have a lot less.

The short seasons are due to the high impact nature of the game. There's a good chance that by the end of the season now, everyone on a team is nursing at least some sort of injury, small or large. Going to longer seasons would aggravate that even more. That's why the union is fighting increasing the season length to 18 games. If the NFL wants to do that they're going to have to make some relevant concessions, most notably having those two games be taken out of the preseason, higher salaries, reduced offseason workouts, at least one more bye week, and larger rosters to allow for more player rotation.

Also 16 games makes sense for the division structure and scheduling formula that they have. You play your three division opponents twice (6 games), every team in another division in your conference (4 games), every team in another division in the other conference (4 more games), and one team from each division in your conference (not counting the division that you play every team from) that finished at the same level (1st in the division, 2nd in the division, etc) you did the previous season (2 games). I'm not sure how they'd restructure that if they went to 18 games. I'd assume the two extra games come from the other conference, but that would make more sense to add three games instead of two.
 
Thanks - I think it helps to be explained that sort of thing when trying to watch it, the amount of times I have attempted to watch the superbowl and have turned it off because I have no knowledge of the game or context to place it is numerous. I have been reading into it since I asked about it, it is quite extraordinary the extent to which the NFL is centralised and the 'bureaucracy' that has grown up around it though at the same time it appears to do absolutely everything it can to mitigate any unfair advantage, or for that matter advantage at all.

One thing that also intrigues me is how the draft works from the players perspectives - do they for instance sign a contract beforehand that says they will go to whatever team choses them or can they say no entirely and go anywhere? It has always seemed a bit bizarre.
 
This is a more subjective question but how does the league hierarchy compare to the FA, UEFA and FIFA?
 
Basically whatever Roger Goddell says goes, it kinda reminds me of Blatter with FIFA actually
 
One thing that also intrigues me is how the draft works from the players perspectives - do they for instance sign a contract beforehand that says they will go to whatever team choses them or can they say no entirely and go anywhere? It has always seemed a bit bizarre.

Most players are usually pretty realistic about not being able to play for the teams they supported while growing up. Usually you won't have a player complaining about being drafted to a team, even though it's a shitty one. It's far better for their public image to claim that they're looking forward to the challenge of helping the team get better. What happens is if they cannot agree to a contract with the team they can refuse to sign and by the time the next year comes around, they reenter the draft, only this time the team that drafted them last time cannot select them.

The drawback to that is that this gives the player (and his agent) a horrible reputation. This also means they haven't played for a full year so they'll be viewed as either out of shape or maybe not as sharp as they would be coming out of school. As a result they're probably going to be drafted a lot later than before which usually means missing out on A LOT of money.

Usually this never happens because of that. The money is too important. Usually the team will find a way to trade the player or they'll come to some sort of agreement. The last time a player reentered the draft, it was because he was drafted in the baseball draft as well and he decided to play baseball, only his career flopped so he went back to football the next year.

Every so often though you do get a potential #1 pick stating that he won't sign a contract with the team that picks first in the draft, usually because they don't believe that team is committed to winning (keep in mind the #1 pick goes to the worst team in the league which may be there because they were unlucky or may be there because they're a shit organization). Then that team can either draft someone else or draft the guy anyways and trade him (as was the case with Eli Manning).

Thing is though the players that aren't drafted actually become available for signing (like a free transfer) so a lot of players that might not necessarily be highly rated do get a chance to try out for their local teams. Unfortunately most of them don't make it to the 53 man roster, but some of them are lucky enough or talented enough to force their way in.

So to answer your question, a player's entry into the league must be done through the draft, I believe. If they're drafted, the team that drafts them owns their rights for a year. If not, then they're free to go whereever.

This relates to what you asked about the hierarchy and a little bit to Alex's response. With the FA you have a bunch of separate clubs that enter into agreement to play matches with each other under specific rules. Essentially though they're all separate clubs (I'd say businesses but Europeans tend to bristle when we use terms like "franchise"). The NFL is far more collective. They did start the same way, but once they formed the league, the league itself became an enormous entity that pretty much controls everything, including the players that come in and out of the league. I'd equate it to FIFA or UEFA a little bit, but I'd say they have a bit more control, though with regulations like financial fair play, the FAs are getting a bit stronger.
 
Elway pulled a similar thing to Manning refusing to play for the Colts, saying that he would play the the Yankees as a pitcher (baseball team) if the Colts drafted him. That was mainly just because the Colts were shit though
 
Broncos with a rare win yesterday, via a Tebow comeback. Hopefully, the Broncos draft well this season and tebow turns into something however unlikely that is.
 
Singletary's officially out. I can honestly say I have no idea where to look for a coach. Fans in the Bay are screaming Jim Harbaugh, but I don't know if a college coach is what we need right now. We need someone with serious NFL experience and can get the most out of a talented and playoff-capable roster with a few holes, most notably at quarterback and cornerback.
 
The Bears will get beat in the first game they play, go to it, it will be in Chicago
 
I'm a Bears fan, and while I'm not as dismissive of their chances as the author of the piece jveezy linked, the fact is that they're a very inconsistent team, both offensively and defensively. They can beat just about any team out there. Whether they will them is a roll of the dice. That said, the teams in the NFC just aren't that great. Even with Rodgers, the Packers are just ok. The Eagles and Giants are just ok. Despite their records, I don't think the Falcons or the Saints are all that imposing either. I would not at all be surprised to see this Bears team go to the Super Bowl, though they'd probably be the clear underdogs once they got there.
 
Alex tickets are next to impossible to get, I've already tried this season for "regular season" tickets unless you're willing to pay silly money it's impossible unless you get really lucky, I will definitely be better prepared for next season, I might even try and get season tickets as this may well be my last year in Chi-town!

jveezy, that article sounds a bit ABB

I don't see them having an easier/harder time than anyone else from NFC aside from maybe the Falcons who don't have that much better numbers than the Bears, plus Bears have a good road record, I'm still excited, surely they have a chance of getting to NFC final
 
NFL has a short season because they can only play once per week or they'd be dead within three months. It's the most physical team sport, up there with rugby and hockey. How many matches do rugby clubs play per season?

The NFL is hell bent on this 18 game season thing yet the players union is dead set against. And this will be the main concern over the next CBA. The league will vote the 18 game season (as if the owners will say no to another home game) and will effectively force the union to strike, or the owners to lockout the players. I personally think 18 games is too much unless they're eliminating 2 preseason games.
 
I'm a Bears fan, and while I'm not as dismissive of their chances as the author of the piece jveezy linked, the fact is that they're a very inconsistent team, both offensively and defensively. They can beat just about any team out there. Whether they will them is a roll of the dice. That said, the teams in the NFC just aren't that great. Even with Rodgers, the Packers are just ok. The Eagles and Giants are just ok. Despite their records, I don't think the Falcons or the Saints are all that imposing either. I would not at all be surprised to see this Bears team go to the Super Bowl, though they'd probably be the clear underdogs once they got there.

I think that's probably the best assessment of them. It's been one surprise after another with them. They're a very talented team that can beat anyone in any week so we'll just have to see what happens.
 
Broncos with a rare win yesterday, via a Tebow comeback. Hopefully, the Broncos draft well this season and tebow turns into something however unlikely that is.

Why do people keep underestimating Tebow. The pure pocket passing QBs are a bit overrated. Big Ben is half the pocket passer that Peyton is but has more rings. With the likes of Vick redefining the position, chances for Tebow to succeed don't look as bleak as some make it out to be.
 
Why do people keep underestimating Tebow. The pure pocket passing QBs are a bit overrated. Big Ben is half the pocket passer that Peyton is but has more rings. With the likes of Vick redefining the position, chances for Tebow to succeed don't look as bleak as some make it out to be.

Brady has how many rings? What the of quarterback is he?

It's not the type of quarterback but whether you can actually make a proper throw. There's plenty of pocket passers that are better that have no rings at all (Marino for example) so obviously it's not all down to that. There's a difference in class between the Roethlisbergers and McNairs and Steve Youngs of the world than the Daunte Culpeppers, Eric Crouchs and Tim Tebows. Vick at one point was more in the second category, but now that he's smarter about picking his runs and has better targets than Alge feckin Crumpler and Brian feckin Finneran he's firmly locked himself into the first category.

The mobile quarterback has been around for ages. Vick isn't redefining anything. He's just made the transition from a running quarterback to a mobile quarterback. There's still doubts to whether Tebow can make that transition.