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cyberman said:
From f365. Issue doesn't seem to be the tax problems he's in, it reads as if nobody has advised him on how to structre his taxes from here on in. If true that is ridiculous and reads as an excuse to leave and not be seen as the bad guy here. Surely any top Spanish accountant could advise him on exactly what to do. What's the big mystery?
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You don't think they've been doing their taxes themselves do you? :lol:

Of course they've got accountants and lawyers working for them. They can only advise them so far though, they want clarity from the Spanish tax offices that they are paying the right amount which makes perfect sense.

Imagine he ends up playing the next 10 years there, earns €140m over that period and he's advised that the €50m tax he pays is correct.

Next thing he knows the Spanish tax offices are accusing him of being €20m short and there's a court case, potential fraud charge, court fees and fine on top of that figure.

I think it's perfectly understandable that they want clarity from the Spanish tax offices rather than their accountants, lawyers or word of Barcelona's money men.
 
R'hllor said:
So he (he is not 10,you know) and his father make a mess and now they trying to force Barca to pay and clean their mess. If Barca refuse, they will start look for a club elsewhere ready to do so...and people want those 2 creatures to join us...
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Considering that at least half of Barca's team has tax issues, maybe it's not all the players fault?
 
cyberman said:
From f365. Issue doesn't seem to be the tax problems he's in, it reads as if nobody has advised him on how to structre his taxes from here on in. If true that is ridiculous and reads as an excuse to leave and not be seen as the bad guy here. Surely any top Spanish accountant could advise him on exactly what to do. What's the big mystery?
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The big mystery is that personal tax is very straightforward in principle. He lives in Spain for more than 6 months per year, he's liable to Spanish tax on his global earnings. The question going forward is whether Neymar's image rights earnings which are owned by a company belonging to the Neymar family in Brazil are part of Neymar's earnings.

Pexbo said:
I think it's perfectly understandable that they want clarity from the Spanish tax offices rather than their accountants, lawyers or word of Barcelona's money men.
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Tax offices don't really do that. The test of personal Vs corporate earnings comes down to questions like, does the company actually exist (premises, employees, activities), does it pay corporation tax, are wages/dividends/loans paid to Neymar and his family members from the company taxed correctly, did it buy the image rights with a proper contract and realistic price in the first place. They won't pre-approve a structure.

That's why the Neymar family have tax issues in both countries.

In real life, what it amounts to is Neymar's dad saying that they want a payrise and they want Barca to pick up whatever tax they get charged. I suppose the question is whether Barca have the money to renew Neymar and Messi. Messi's pay after tax is about £16m/year - cost to Barca around £160m (gross) over 5 years. Neymar will be looking for something similar. Obviously if United are willing to get involved that will make for a pretty stressful and expensive negotiation. At which point Barca might start talking about transfer fees instead.

Funny old game football.
 
Balague, although he's not putting his neck on block, he thinks there's a bigger chance of him leaving than people think. He feels Barca just can't afford renewing his and Messi's contract.
 
Adisa said:
Balague, although he's not putting his neck on block, he thinks there's a bigger chance of him leaving than people think. He feels Barca just can't afford renewing his and Messi's contract.
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There may be some truth in that...
Barcelona will be eligible to register Arda Turan and Aleix Vidal on Jan. 4 but coach Luis Enrique, who has not been able to sign players over the past two transfer windows, may be limited by new La Liga wage caps for all clubs agreed upon on Sept. 24 that limit Blaugrana spending at €421 million euros, of which the club has already spent €419m, according to AS.com.

Barca signed Turan from Atletico Madrid and Aleix Vidal from Sevilla in the summer, despite being unable to register the pair due to the one-year transfer ban imposed by FIFA over breaches of youth transfer regulations.

In an article approved by the current board, AS reported that the club's own statutes state that any board must stand down if it allows Ebitda (Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) multiplied by two to exceed the club's overall debt. With just 13 days until the next club general assembly, the club are close to the cap.

To be within the financial guideline set out by the club, as agreed upon at the last assembly, the club must have a ration of 2.5 points. At the moment, the guideline is currently at 3.2 points.
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Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if they had found a loophole or if any enforcement action was so ineffectual they feel free to carry on regardless.
 
FCBarca said:
Balague as a source :rolleyes:
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Nobody believes it. We are just discussing why the tax is an issue for his renewal. Barca can't afford to lose him and they will eventually give him what he wants.
 
diarm said:
I'd usually say no but when when it's a player who's knocking on the Balon D'oor (along with Messi, Ron and Jon obviously), I can't see motivation being an issue.
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Whose Jon?
 
sun_tzu said:
There may be some truth in that...

Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if they had found a loophole or if any enforcement action was so ineffectual they feel free to carry on regardless.
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City are skirting FFFP by paying low base salary/high bonuses. Sure Barca has competent financial advisers.

On second thought..
 
Barca had to back out of a deal for Nolito because they couldn't afford his wages
 
Simply Messi will ask for crazy wages and Neymar will also. Who is the most important player in Barca is known so I can believe this stories. Saying that it is not 100% he will want to come to us if he decide to go to another club.
 
Close this fecking thread. Barca will sell Camp Nou first.
 
RedStarUnited said:
He is solid when it comes to Spanish news. No one has better connections than him.
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Not even in the slightest, fans of the Primera routinely lampoon just how poor his information is which underscores how little you know about him. I always wondered how he managed to keep a job, seems few bother to assess just how far off the mark his drivel is
 
They can't lose him. He's the future BPITW, they'll get rid of a few squad players and renew him on a massive deal.
 
Traub said:
They can't lose him. He's the future BPITW, they'll get rid of a few squad players and renew him on a massive deal.
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Who, they already have a short bench.

Also, C.Ronaldo was the future when we sold him, when a player decide to go you can't stop him.
 
Weirder things have happened in football so I wouldn't write it off. After all we did pay over 50 million for a 19 year old who was unknown to the masses.
 
Balague has good connections with players. He visits their houses, stays there, speaks to their families. Even other reports comment on this. The facts he gives us may be true at the time but things change. No denying he is well connected though.
 
predator said:
Weirder things have happened in football so I wouldn't write it off. After all we did pay over 50 million for a 19 year old who was unknown to the masses.
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Well not really, but I get your point.
 
RedStarUnited said:
He is solid when it comes to Spanish news. No one has better connections than him.
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He reports stories that are already running in AS and the radio gossip shows. Very little of the Spanish stuff shows any sign of "connections". What he does have is contact with some agents and players based in England who want a friendly Spanish speaking reporter to place their gossip about transfers or pay in the UK press.

Solid isn't really the word. More like undiscriminating.
 
On paper I'd rather have Neymar come to United than Ronaldo, it's obvious that Ronaldo is only going to decline but will still be a great player. However, we know Ronaldo can do it in the PL. With Neymar I fear that it would turn into a Di Maria situation whereby he becomes unhappy with life in England and that affects his performances.

Barca would be mad to let him go though.
 
If I could bring any player in the world to United it would probably be Neymar. He's on the cusp of being a legitimate Ballon d'Or candidate alongside the two regulars. He's the one who's come closest to overtaking them in the eight years since they started dominating.

It doesn't hurt that he's extremely entertaining to watch on his day. He has some jaw-dropping skills in his arsenal.
 
There is just no way Barca will let him go. This is just his dad pressing for an even bigger deal and having Barca solved their issues.

But then again, him upfront with Martial would just be too good :)
 
FCBarca said:
Not even in the slightest, fans of the Primera routinely lampoon just how poor his information is which underscores how little you know about him. I always wondered how he managed to keep a job, seems few bother to assess just how far off the mark his drivel is
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Most people cant tell between an opinion and a fact. What he said about Naymar was his opinion not a fact.

For me, he is usually accurate when he reports things to do with Spanish based players. He cant be held responsible for things that change out of his hands.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Most people cant tell between an opinion and a fact. What he said about Naymar was his opinion not a fact.

For me, he is usually accurate when he reports things to do with Spanish based players. He cant be held responsible for things that change out of his hands.
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It's not the same thing. Balague, routinely, makes claims about knowing a transfer or turn of events when it's nothing more than rumour/innuendo - he's been mostly wrong, for a long time. In fact, he hasn't had the 'Spanish ear' since Rafa was at Liverpool. His success is down to riding Benitez' coattails to the UK and having a stronger grasp of the English language. Otherwise, he's downright terrible in every aspect, down to that rat faced grin of his
 
Ballague was the one that claimed we had made a down payment for Falcao right? The proper Falcao, not the imposter we got.

Then he moved to Monaco the very next Summer. Whether a trusted journalist says something or not doesnt make it true, it may simply that their source wants that information out there for whatever reason.

When Graham Hunter was jumping around in the Summer with the Ramos stories, I didnt think he was making stuff up, but rather someone in the Ramos camp was using that to their advantage, as it turned out.

We fans tend to be easily misled,especially when it stuff we want to hear.
 
HA HA you have to laugh at the press, This is from the Telegraph,
It would be a staggering and eye-watering deal if Manchester United could pull it off but the likelihood of Neymar joining Old Trafford remains extremely slim.
Even though the Barcelona forward insists he's happy at the Nou Camp and doesn't see his future anywhere else, that does not seem to stop reports surfacing that United will up the ante in an attempt to persuade the seemingly unpersuadable.
Today reports are doing the rounds that United are preparing a quite preposterous £143.9 million offer to sign the Brazilian next month.
SLIM chance, it is such a slim chance you would need the Hubble telescope to see it.
 
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