It's £137 million, still a lot of money. But he's probably worth it.
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It's £137 million, still a lot of money. But he's probably worth it.
I've got it all worked out, folks. Woodward going to Barcelona to sign Pedro, only for him to end up at Chelsea, was just as smokescreen for the Neymar chatter we're hearing now. The Neymar chatter is itself a smokescreen for Woodward making a huge bid for Messi. But wait, there's more! The Messi bid is just a decoy to lull Madrid into a false sense of security regarding the strength of their main La Liga opposition, thus ending their pursuit of De Gea, and allowing us to slip in and steal Ronaldo from under their nose.
Isn't the pound weakening against the Euro at the moment? May want to wait to see how that situation goes before we do anything crazy... 
As an aside, I've just worked out that, at current progression, we are due to see the worlds first £1bn transfer some time in the mid 2030s.
What a time to be alive that will be.
What a time to be alive that will be.
It sends the bogus message that we chose not to sign Pedro because he wasn't good enough.
Seems to have worked quite well with casual fans. Most papers have room for only one b#llsh@t MUFC transfer story any given day.
He will be signed on page 80
We'll probably offer 180m and 10m in clauses etc
Well they are obviously the few well-opined then.
Ronaldo hasn't been the prettiest footballer to watch for a few years. People will say it doesn't matter, simply because he scores 50 goals a season, which in itself is fair. However, the moment one of those other more pretty players start putting up numbers like his, he loses that edge over them in my opinion. Neymar got 43 goals last season. That is enough to take out the goalscoring argument. Especially as Ronaldo plays for a team who get a load of dodgy pens which form a portion of his goals, with tap-ins making a large part of the others.
Neymar has the grace, flair AND the end product. He's stepped up in pressure situations, carrying the monster of Brasil on his back, scoring goals in both legs of the CL semis and the CL final itself, and finishing top scorer in the tournament. Anyone not going based off names alone would agree that Neymar has been a better footballer than Ronaldo since the last World Cup at least in my opinion.
How do you work that out? Since 2001, the world transfer record increased from €75M to something around €100M. €1bn, even in euros, is unlikely to happen in the next 20 years.
Don't bother with the transfer bollocks. But where are these stories coming from? Did LVG say he was interested? Or is it just one dodgy article that's sparked it?
Sun started it with "secret talks"; Guardian said he was willing to join; LvG didn't deny it; Luis Enrique failed to address it; Brazilian reports that we bid £137.8 million; Spanish media laughed.
Neymar scored 39 goals last season, Ronaldo scored 61. You really cannot just casually dismiss the goalscoring argument.
Neymar's a very good player who had a brilliant season for Barca but he's not better than Ronaldo. He might become better very soon, not least because Ronaldo turns 31 next year and his game relies heavily on athleticism.
The factors are different now I'd imagine. Fees won't increase at the same rate forever, they will likely take a steeper hike as the profile and money in the game increases.
Players are not signed based on ability alone, as they may have been in 30s. Neymar's fee would be largely down to what he can contribute off the field, for instance, which wouldn't have been a factor at a certain point.
Their scoring record per 90 minutes was about equal, penalties excluded. Ronaldo played considerably more minutes and took something like 15 penalties. That's the only difference.
Have we signed him yet? I've been busy at work.
Not long to go then, the way this thread is getting responses we will hit page 80 in a few days.
There is nothing in this..dont get sucked in...We have as good a chance of signing Ramos tomorrow..
All right then, let's look at it like that. Ronaldo scored 48 goals in the league in 3099 minutes. 10 of those were penalties so we discount those: 38 goals in 3099 minutes comes out to a goal every 81.55 minutes.
Neymar scored 22 goals in the league in 2572 minutes, one of those was a penalty so we discount that. 21 goals in 2572 minutes comes out to a goal every 122.47 minutes. So, even discounting penalties Ronaldo's scoring record is massively superior in the league.
In the CL their record is pretty much identical: 1065 minutes vs 1027 minutes, both scored 10 goals. Can't be arsed about the Copa del Rey as Ronaldo barely played in that one (117 minutes).
Right, I thought it was 43, and a gap of about 10 with Ronaldo.
I don't think Neymar will become better purely because Ronaldo will physically decline. It's more the intangeable way of rating players due to their aesthetic value and grace etc. Watching Ronaldo of recent years, he is far away even from a player like Hazard in most areas of the pitch, but when it comes to goalscoring - he's a different animal. Put both players around the halfway line where they can't directly threaten the goal, and Hazard is the better player I think. Now goalscoring is important, and as a result, Ronaldo is the superior player there, because Hazard simply isn't a great goalscoring threat. A 40 goal Hazard becomes a different argument though.
Messi does not need to match Ronaldo's 61 goal tally to be a better footballer. He does need to get more than 12 though, and if he was a brilliant team player who got 12-15 goals, he wouldn't be considered better than Ronaldo. Given the extreme superiority in other areas of his game though, I would say he would only need about 45 to Ronaldo's 60 to be better. He probably got about 10 less last season and was the undisputed better player.
For me, Neymar's 40 goals means that he is a serious goal threat, to the point where he'd be leading scorer at most teams in the world. Also got 3 goals in 4(?) games at the WC. He can't be dismissed on the pure basis that Ronaldo scores more goals if he himself brings as many as 40 to the table, I don't think.
Basically, if Neymar gets another 40 this season, he will still be better than Ronaldo, even if Ronnie gets 55 (especially considering the pens). Neymar gets big goals too. El Clasico winners, CL semis and finals etc. All opinions of course, but I think he's currently a better footballer.
The point is, due to Ronaldo not looking that good in other areas of his game - Neymar does not need to match his total to be considered better.
I am pretty certain it is being fed to them by Woody
There have been too many of these silly stories for the past few windows with Woody at the helm for it to be a coincidence
That's a fair point but the post I replied to there specifically stated that their scoring record is about equal if we look at it on a per minutes basis and it's simply not true.
Have to admit I don't think Neymar is as good as he's made out to be in this thread. He's in that Agüero/Suárez class for me which is no slight on a player.
If you now further want to put in a weight according to the importance of the goals (a brace against PSG in the CL quarters or a brace against Bayern in the CL semis or a brace against Atletico in the domestic Cup is obviously worth more than scoring 5 goals in a game in a 9 game rout against Granada or consecutive hattricks in glorified friendlies after Barca already officially won the league), you should come to the conclusion that Ronaldo, in fact, didn't outperform Neymar as much as surface stats like "61 goals vs. 39 goals" would suggest. IMO.
It's exponentional. I'll do a graph for you.
And yet, it's only in the 30s that fees jumped by that much.
Nah, surely he can't be that silly.
I think it's just a symptom of click-bait journalism and United are the biggest story out there.
Here you go:
Or, alternatively, we can just say that it goes up by an average of 35% every 2.5 years or so, which gives us:
2013 - £85,300,000
2016 - £115,155,000
2018 - £155,459,250
2021 - £209,869,988
2023 - £283,324,483
2026 - £382,488,052
2028 - £516,358,870
2031 - £697,084,475
2033 - £941,064,041
2036 - £1,270,436,456
Neil Custis totally knew the slaggings he would get for his article but was adament it came from Utd and therefore had to report it
I believe him
Just taken a look round some non United fora. You guys realise we've become a laughing stock? Can't land Mane so we're trying to sign Neymar etc.
Really looking forward to seeing him turn out for us. Been thinking a bit about which number he should get, and I feel number 9 would be putting a bit too much pressure on him to perform, given that he's still quite young. Hopefully the management will take this into consideration when discussing such things.
Precisely this. Players like Messi and Neymar score large amounts of goals as part of the natural flow of the game. It is clear that Ronaldo is on a personal crusade to get goals, and shoots all the time, more or less climbs over his own players to score a rebound tap-in, and him racking up another 6 or 7 goals in dead rubbers is very characteristic, as it's all about records.
Depay - Neymar - Pato
Does he definitely have a release clause?
If so, whats to stop us meeting this clause and speaking to the player directly?
Or is that what people think is already happening?
If so, whats to stop us meeting this clause and speaking to the player directly?
Or is that what people think is already happening?
My sides are beyond split.
But apart from the comedy gold value, I actually hope this transfer HAPPENS! Barca sell him for £150m then buy him back next summer for £60m after Neymar is disillusioned with LvG's tactics. Won't matter to Utd because they can afford it (tm).
But apart from the comedy gold value, I actually hope this transfer HAPPENS! Barca sell him for £150m then buy him back next summer for £60m after Neymar is disillusioned with LvG's tactics. Won't matter to Utd because they can afford it (tm).
If this amount on one player (who doesn't solve most of the small problems with the squad IMO) why not instead:
Reus £35-45mil
Aymeric Laporte £20mil (converting the release clause from euros)
Two top young players who who play in two areas where we could do with more quality.
Neymar is happy at Barca and cost a lot of effort and time(as well as illegal moves) to sign, Barca aren't gonna sell him and he won't leave there for Manchester. We really are wasting our time if we are seriously pursuing this one.
He also isn't a LVG type player unfortunately for the same reasons that Angel Di Maria also wasn't.
Reus £35-45mil
Aymeric Laporte £20mil (converting the release clause from euros)
Two top young players who who play in two areas where we could do with more quality.
Neymar is happy at Barca and cost a lot of effort and time(as well as illegal moves) to sign, Barca aren't gonna sell him and he won't leave there for Manchester. We really are wasting our time if we are seriously pursuing this one.
He also isn't a LVG type player unfortunately for the same reasons that Angel Di Maria also wasn't.
Only laughing stock are the clowns who believe we expect to sign him this summer. Saying that there's nothing wrong with enquiring about his future plans.
If he ever decides to leave Barca, he can't go to Madrid. Seire A have no money and he wouldn't move to France in his prime. That's leaves England.
Woodward wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't try and gain an edge over our rivals for a future transfer.
If Neymar does have a future interest in joining United and news got to Woodward that he's about to sign a new contract, wouldn't he be justified in approaching Barca to signal intent and say to Neyamr hold on a minute.. Let's not sign that extension just yet.
If he doesn't sign this year he will have two years left on his contract at the end of this season
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