Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal

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If I were Bartomeu I'd be looking in to the possibility activating Cavani's release clause, assuming he has one of course, the day after the Neymar transfer goes through. That would be hilarious.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander and all that.
 
Revan said:
2) Any club can spend whatever they want, but for every euro (pound, dollar, you get it) they spend outside of their revenue, the owner should be obligated to put 5 times as much money on a locked bank account (and this takes into account the last 5 years, so if a club spends 100m extra in the last 5 years, then in the bank account there should be 500m. Now the next year the club doesn't spend anything - and they have spend 50m on the first of these 5 years - then it means that next year on the account there should be just 250m so the owner is free to get 250m from the account). On this way, the money is allowed to go into football (what business doesn't allow free money to go there?) and it ensures that the clubs won't suffer if the owner gets tired, goes bankrupt etc.
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That's a really good idea actually. Although again, it will probably get circumvented by owners hiding how they sponsor their clubs.
 
Random Task said:
If I were Bartomeu I'd be looking in to the possibility activating Cavani's release clause, assuming he has one of course, the day after the Neymar transfer goes through. That would be hilarious.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander and all that.
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And after that, PSG takes Luis Suarez :drool:
 
Random Task said:
If I were Bartomeu I'd be looking in to the possibility activating Cavani's release clause, assuming he has one of course, the day after the Neymar transfer goes through. That would be hilarious.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander and all that.
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Why? They want Neymar. They'd probably accept losing Cavani for that. Cavani will be delighted to join Barcelona to play wide again.
If you factor in the fact he's 30 then it's not that funny if we're being honest.
 
Javi said:
Yes, but what does 'linked' mean. Really hard to find a suitable solution. They will use straw mans, but how will your system detect them?
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A company owned or partially owned by the owners or their relatives, legally you can't really go further than that. Or we could go with Revan's idea of a 5m escrow on every Euro spent over their revenues.
 
RRCE said:
I would have obviously loved to see Neymar at United, and I'm sure we've spoken with his camp on several occasions over the course of time (you can't tell me the player would have chosen PSG over United, all things being equal), but I'm also glad that the club didn't go down this road. While we've certainly spent big on many players, there has to be limits. I just don't think that such a massive financial commitment to a single player is worth it.

As for FFP, we'll see what, if any, implications arise here. It seems as though FFP really has no teeth, so I'm not sure how relevant that really is to the discussion. Time will tell.
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Why not?
 
Jim Beam said:
Agree with the second part but this first part is a very romanticized version of what's happening I think. The whole "I want to be the best, by running from the shadow of the best" doesn't fit the script. Going also in the non-competitive league. That's not something that greatest players do, or have done in the past. It was their aim to play in the best team possible without fear that they will be overshadowed by someone else on that team or in that same league. And they have built their legacies going in the teams where their greatness would be tested under much heavier circumstances during the whole season.

Nobody can know his motives, but the timing of the transfer which is after 31st July so he asked Barca for loyalty bonus, all the money involved in it, going into practically one team league and even more glamorous city sounds to me like an easier, more wealthy way to spend your football years.

And make no mistake, when you see such reasons, it would be pure hypocrisy to say it would be easy to say no. I'm just not buying the whole wanna build the legacy thing.
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It is but your own romanticised version of the present has no similarities to the past, unfortunately. The concentration of wealth at major clubs makes this idea of a competitive leagues seem ridiculous when compared to the 90s and beyond. There's nothing admirable about playing for Barcelona or Madrid. They not only dominate their league but they dominate the European elite, and have done for the best part of a decade. The idea that it's more challenging than playing for a weaker team in a weaker league seems a bit silly to me.

There's very little romantic about Neymar going to PSG but there's very little romantic about anything Neymar can possibly do. Smaller clubs can't afford him and practically the only club that can afford him is in a weaker league for a weaker team. If Neymar's presence in the league can generate more interest in the French league, driving up the value of TV rights (which is the only important commercial metric) and increasing the strength of the league overall, then he's in a position where he'll be in a similarly strong team in a similarly lopsided league, with quality throughout but an obvious presence of an oligopoly.

The bottom line for me is that staying in Barcelona isn't in any way romantic, so I can't understand why people are criticising him on those grounds. The way football is structured nowadays and the quality he possesses means he doesn't have the choice to do what past footballing greats did. He can move from one oligopoly to another or he can stay put.
 
Random Task said:
If I were Bartomeu I'd be looking in to the possibility activating Cavani's release clause, assuming he has one of course, the day after the Neymar transfer goes through. That would be hilarious.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander and all that.
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It's only Spain where Buy Out clauses are mandatory. I don't think other leagues have them. I know they are not common in the EPL
 
RRCE said:
I would have obviously loved to see Neymar at United, and I'm sure we've spoken with his camp on several occasions over the course of time (you can't tell me the player would have chosen PSG over United, all things being equal), but I'm also glad that the club didn't go down this road. While we've certainly spent big on many players, there has to be limits. I just don't think that such a massive financial commitment to a single player is worth it.

As for FFP, we'll see what, if any, implications arise here. It seems as though FFP really has no teeth, so I'm not sure how relevant that really is to the discussion. Time will tell.
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ADM did.
 
endless_wheelies said:
Barcelona and Real Madrid have massive stadium redevelopments on the way, we have debt.
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Agreed but I still don't understand their desirability as a marketing club has come from, when their own fans don't even fill out their stadium for CL knockout stages?!

Anyway, I think this is the wrong place for this debate, as it's the Neymar thread. If anyone else want to continue this debate, DM or direct me to a more suitable thread.
 
Isn't it a bit ridiculous that La Liga are rejecting this on the grounds of FFP though? I mean, isn't blocking a legal transfer itself against fair play?
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I still find it amazing that Neymar is willing to drop down such a huge level to play in the French league. I'm surprised and it says alot about the player. Is being even richer or the 'main man' much more important than playing at the highest level ? For him, it appears to be the case.
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I think the fact that he has a lot of genuine close mates at PSG helps too.
 
Maybe Neymar wants to be to PSG what Maradona was to Napoli? Obviously the Ligue 1 doesn't have two clubs bankrolled by their owners to compete with PSG unlike Napoli at the time. Maybe he should join Lyon or Nice?
 
Raoul said:
Mbappe to Madrid is widely thought to be happening this summer. Also look at the money being quoted for Dembele to Barca (100m).

One would seriously have to have been hibernating on an asteroid for the past few years to obfuscate from the reality of oil and Oligarch money over the past decade
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Have i said that Raoul? Where have i been obfuscatory? I have aknowledged that Oil money has had an impact..
 
I think off the back of this there should be a team of PROPER people assigned to making future transfer fees fair. Take every single shred of available data and decide the absolute cap that a certain player can go for. Because of this transfer, a €100million transfer fee isn't that big of a deal anymore, which is insane in itself.
 
Akshay said:
That's a really good idea actually. Although again, it will probably get circumvented by owners hiding how they sponsor their clubs.
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It's similar to luxury tax in nba basketball. You go over the cap into luxury tax you pay multiple dollars for every dollar you spend. For a repeat offender it gets worse.
 
charlton66 said:
It's similar to luxury tax in nba basketball. You go over the cap into luxury tax you pay multiple dollars for every dollar you spend. For a repeat offender it gets worse.
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If it were purely on expenditure that would work. But if it's expenditure - revenue as Revan suggested then we get into the same murky problem of having to go through clubs' accounts and separate owner sourced income from club revenue.
 
El Zoido said:
PSG compete in the highest level of competition and almost put Barca out of the CL last year. True, Ligue 1 isn't as prestigious as La Liga, but it's not like he's joining MLS. He can compete for top honours at PSG including individual awards if they do well in Europe.
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People act like he is going to China or some weak club. A front line of Neymar, Cavani and Di Maria is good enough to win a ucl title
 
City were furious when Uefa deemed them in breach – a judgement which in part has contributed to fans’ refusal to acknowledge the Champions League anthem, to this day
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What do their fans do? Stick their fingers in their ears and pretend they cant hear it?
 
JPRouve said:
Maybe Neymar wants to be to PSG what Maradona was to Napoli? Obviously the Ligue 1 doesn't have two clubs bankrolled by their owners to compete with PSG unlike Napoli at the time. Maybe he should join Lyon or Nice?
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Should just join Napoli :lol:

(incidentally, i'd back Napoli to win the CL with Neymar)
 
Arbitrium said:
I think off the back of this there should be a team of PROPER people assigned to making future transfer fees fair. Take every single shred of available data and decide the absolute cap that a certain player can go for. Because of this transfer, a €100million transfer fee isn't that big of a deal anymore, which is insane in itself.
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It's not when you consider that top clubs make around 600m on revenue. Transfer to revenue, this is less than Zidane to Madrid. And that is the only thing that matters.

People who talk about banning of these types of transfers or luxury cap etc, I just don't get it? Why they prefer the money to go to rich businessman rather than the money staying in football?!
 
Akshay said:
If it were purely on expenditure that would work. But if it's expenditure - revenue as Revan suggested then we get into the same murky problem of having to go through clubs' accounts and separate owner sourced income from club revenue.
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I think what they should do is have each club declare their revenue at the beginning of each year and have their books subject to random audits. That figure would then be their "cap number" and anything over would be subject to the "luxury tax." If it is found in one of the random audits that a club has tried to cheat then additional penalties would be imposed.
 
Hed Zitin said:
If they get Neymar to pay it and suffer the tax cost, that will be a nice little feck you from Barca.
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How will this happen when we didn't pay the tax cost for Herrera or Bayern didn't for Martinez?

I mean the Spanish judges might be corrupt, but not that corrupt.
 
Brwned said:
I worked for a company that specialised in sport sponsorship valuation - it's not an overly difficult process. The bulk of sponsorship value is media value, so they'll know in advance the ball park figure for the level of media exposure they'll be buying into, you can ask them to submit a comprehensive marketing plan to utilise that sponsorship and then you can come to some agreement on the intangible value it offers as an all-round package. Anything that falls outside the accepted range will be dismissed. Sports rightsholders, media owners and brands involved in the sponsorship process already pay significant sums of money to measure the value of their sponsorship, all you need to do is incorporate that into legislation.
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I get all of that (have also been heavily involved in sports sponsorship before). But what you propose goes agianst principles of the free market.
Man City should be allowed to value their own media property and Qatar Inc should be allowed to pay what is demanded.

The system you propose also does not allow for competing bidding, which will drive the rate up.
 
carvajal said:
But we are not funded by an state giving us 100m€ from sponsors whenever we need.
If we want to buy we need to sell first.
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Except you get some sweetheart deals like selling your training complex to clear out your debts and basically having the league do what you want
 
Look, neither the LFP nor Barcelona have the power to stop this. This is just one last act of pettiness
 
Revan said:
It's not when you consider that top clubs make around 600m on revenue. Transfer to revenue, this is less than Zidane to Madrid. And that is the only thing that matters.

People who talk about banning of these types of transfers or luxury cap etc, I just don't get it? Why they prefer the money to go to rich businessman rather than the money staying in football?!
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It's not a matter of rich businessmen keeping the money. Under the NBA scheme the clubs can spend what they like they are just subject to tax penalties if they go over their cap. Personally, I don't think FFP is a good scheme anyway but if UEFA is trying to impose it the NBA methodology is as good as any.
 
So what’s the end game here for Barca and La Liga? What are they hoping to achieve out of this? Is it that they don’t want him to go and are hoping beyond all hope that he will be playing for them again next season. Surely that shipped has sailed.

Or have they got a problem with PSG in particular. ‘Cause it just seems like their pride and ego has just taken a huge bashing, and they’re throwing their toys out of the pram.

Whether or not PSG have broken any rules got nothing to do with Barca or La Liga. If they have, then that’s something UEFA will have to sort out. Accept that your player wants to leave, collect the huge fee, and move on and replace him before the window closes. They’re just delaying the inevitable it seems, all because of their hubris.
 
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