Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal

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rcoobc said:
We used to buy all the best players in the league from everyone except Arsenal and Liverpool.

It wasn't fair then either.
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Yes, but I dont remember being so shocked by the size of any of the fee's. Keane, Cole, Veron, Ferdinand and Rooney were all massive fee's for the time, but they were still vagely proportionate.

Pogba and Lukaku's transfer fee's were a quantam leap vs market norms and so 'gasp' worthy. That has set a new precedent: he is still a developing midfielder, so a properly developed, highly marketable goal scorer will be priced proportiante to that.
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Sorry, I'd edited my post before reading this - gives a bit more info. Not averse to investment iIf we hadn't been forced to finance the next 20 generations of the Glazer families pension plans.
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Its still only a third of our annual revenue, which is only going to grow from here on in.
 
RDCR07 said:
Its the same as the Pogba. In terms of the future, winning titles, his marketability, his potential etc. all work in our favor.
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He'd want 515k in wages for starters. Then like every Barca and Real scrout will make a fuss every two or three years about increasing his wages.

Not forgetting the impact it will have on the dressing room. Other players like De Gea and Pogba will want huge bumps near to Neymar.

So it's not really financially selling for the Glazers. The whole transfer is going to cost PSG £500m. Will Neymar make the Glazers that money back? Highly unlikely.
 
Javi said:
I don't see any evidence pointing to Barça being part of this block, is that just you specualting? Because it doesn't make a lot of sense for them to take this kind of action.
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Very much speculating but not entirely wild guess. They themselves cannot do anything once a party can pay the fees in full but they clearly state they do not want to lose Neymar. Why would La Liga, as an administration body, stand in the way of a buy-out if Barca was amenable to the sale? It's all politics and I can't believe Barca didn't say a word to the Li Liga in the midst of all this.
 
Bojan11 said:
He'd want 515k in wages for starters. Then like every Barca and Real scrout will make a fuss every two or three years about increasing his wages.

Not forgetting the impact it will have on the dressing room. Other players like De Gea and Pogba will want huge bumps near to Neymar.

So it's not really financially selling for the Glazers. The whole transfer is going to cost PSG £500m. Will Neymar make the Glazers that money back? Highly unlikely.
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I was talking about before PSG came in. If we went in, he knew he wouldnt get close to that from us but I think he still would have interested to move cause he will be the main man here. Now no matter who comes in he wont go elsewhere.
 
Raoul said:
Correct. We are not completely faultless here, although unlike City and PSG, we are actually a legitimate global football brand who make our money from football and associated ventures, not by how much oil and natural gas we extract.
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Pragmatically, it is impossible for most clubs to compete with ourselves, Munchen, Madrid and Barcelona and so they require accelerated investment from sugar daddy sponsorship.

Of course I agree with you, but the moral highground is worthless unless it is legislated for.
 
JPRouve said:
Surprisingly if this is correct Ligue 1 is aboive Serie A in the US and I wouldn't be surprised if we underestimate how much people watch the league.

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2016/08/02/popular-soccer-leagues-us-television-ranked/
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A lot of the games are streamed like the Portuguese league, some games are showing on Univision as well, I did watch 1 or 2 Monaco games because at the time of United's interest of Silva. For the French league to succeed they need at least another strong team and they need to succeed in Europe, the fact PSG was humiliated by Barcelona didn't help at all.
 
RDCR07 said:
I was talking about before PSG came in. If we went in, he knew he wouldnt get close to that from us but I think he still would have interested to move cause he will be the main man here. Now no matter who comes in he wont go elsewhere.
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I don't think he was remotely interested in joining us. He just used us for a new contract.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
I've never understood how that worked.

Arsenal activated his release clause, but Liverpool still said no. How did he not end up at Arsenal?
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Liverpool's owner Henry reckoned release clauses are hard to legally enforce and said they took a risk on rejecting it. Some people were saying it was only a clause to 'inform player'. Suarez would have had to take the case to court, he didn't.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I still find it amazing that Neymar is willing to drop down such a huge level to play in the French league. I'm surprised and it says alot about the player. Is being even richer or the 'main man' much more important than playing at the highest level ? For him, it appears to be the case.
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I would personally find it much more of an interesting challenge to propel the French league into the top tier of European football than to play second fiddle for a team that's won two trebles in 6 years. Whether that's possible or not, I dunno, but he already knows that anything he's achieved with Barcelona, they could achieve without him. That's not a very satisfying career for me.

Success is great but autonomy, influence and legacy are more important than it. A french team has never reached the pinnacle of European football and it's a very achievable goal for him to drive PSG to that historic achievement. Financial doping muddies the waters but many of the great teams, from di Stefano's Madrid to Baresi's Milan, achieved historic success by securing the best players in the world with the help of wealthy, corrupt politicians.
 
Esquire said:
Very much speculating but not entirely wild guess. They themselves cannot do anything once a party can pay the fees in full but they clearly state they do not want to lose Neymar. Why would La Liga, as an administration body, stand in the way of a buy-out if Barca was amenable to the sale? It's all politics and I can't believe Barca didn't say a word to the Li Liga in the midst of all this.
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Of course it's all politics but it's two entirely different actors. Barça doesn't have an interest in keeping a player that wants to go, even less so one of MSN that could cause a huge media stirr. Obviously they wanted to keep Neymar, but on the condition that he wants to stay and be 100% on board. Even if they wanted to keep him at all cost asking La Liga to block the transfer like they did on no grounds whatsoever is a losing battle altogether, so I doubt that.

I can't see a reason why just yet, other than the head, Tebas, being an absolute amateur which would make sense because I don't imagine this organization to be run on merit.
 
red thru&thru said:
I'm glad we never got involved. Mainly due to the wages that are being offered. It would have set a dangerous precedent.

Plus, Woodward was/is right about other teams not able to compete with us...when proper FFP rules are applied.
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I would have obviously loved to see Neymar at United, and I'm sure we've spoken with his camp on several occasions over the course of time (you can't tell me the player would have chosen PSG over United, all things being equal), but I'm also glad that the club didn't go down this road. While we've certainly spent big on many players, there has to be limits. I just don't think that such a massive financial commitment to a single player is worth it.

As for FFP, we'll see what, if any, implications arise here. It seems as though FFP really has no teeth, so I'm not sure how relevant that really is to the discussion. Time will tell.
 
JPRouve said:
That's just British TV rights, If I'm not mistaken.
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The rest is harder to get a reliable answer on. The Telegraph say the total income has gone up from £5.5 billion to £8.3 billion which is about a 52% increase ESPN are saying the new deal is £10.5 Billion which if the £5.5 Billion was right would mean the increase is nearer to 100% increase.
 
I'm interested to see the sort of numbers he puts up next year. Ibra and Cavani have hit 50 each for PSG as the main man. Could Neymar get 60?
 
Raoul said:
Out of control transfer fees. You can't have mega billionaires attempting to buy their way to success by competing with one another whilst normal clubs who actually earn their revenues from football related operations are left with the 2nd tier of good players. It will ruin football in a very short period of time. Action needs to be taken immediately at the FIFA/UEFA level to stabilize transfer fees and put in a cap as to how much a club can spend on one player.
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What do you propose? How will you legislate what is the fair value of sponsorship?
 
ti vu said:
He doesn't hate Messi per say. It's just life: 1.He was ripe to make a step up away from Brazilian league to big club. Bayern didn't want to spend that amount. The Neymar's ain't stupid enough to risk their career with David Moyes, sot it's between Madrid & Barcelona, which Neymar plays in Ronaldo zone while Neymar may be overshadowed by Messi can be afforded with his own zone on the pitch. 2. Barcelona was bigger force than Madrid when Neymar joined them. A less successful season & they still won La Liga. It's not a wrong move to play second fiddle to earn experience while winning trophies. Madrid 3 CL trophies were unexpected. It took them quite effort to reclaim La Liga title. Now Neymar is old & experienced enough to have his own team. Messi & Ronaldo haven't wind down, Neymar can't wait while not making the most money out of his commercial playing second fiddle to Messi.
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He was lucky to get this move away from Barcelona though considering the buyout figure; you can bet if the anti-Qatar political situation wasn't occurring in the Middle East currently this transfer would not be happening, and he'd be stuck in Messi's shadow near-indefinitely. And even now that it has happened I fail to buy that in his dream of all dreams smashing a double hattrick against Amiens and leading PSG to a Ligue 1 title romp by 15 points was included.

If he wanted the Ballon d'Or he'd have been best suited in England, and that was never going to happen to happen via Barcelona.
 
Fully Fledged said:
The rest is harder to get a reliable answer on. The Telegraph say the total income has gone up from £5.5 billion to £8.3 billion which is about a 52% increase ESPN are saying the new deal is £10.5 Billion which if the £5.5 Billion was right would mean the increase is nearer to 100% increase.
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That's because they don't have the same dates for example SFR got the rights recently. But either way in the last 7 years the increase is superior to 100%.
 
Bojan11 said:
He'd want 515k in wages for starters. Then like every Barca and Real scrout will make a fuss every two or three years about increasing his wages.

Not forgetting the impact it will have on the dressing room. Other players like De Gea and Pogba will want huge bumps near to Neymar.

So it's not really financially selling for the Glazers. The whole transfer is going to cost PSG £500m. Will Neymar make the Glazers that money back? Highly unlikely.
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Indeed. Neymar is terrible value in financial terms. Only an oil club, an oil nation's plaything, with basically unlimited funds could be crazy enough to make this signing.
 
sammsky1 said:
What do you propose? How will you legislate what is the fair value of sponsorship?
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Personally I like my idea.

Also I'm for a change of FFP rules, I am for a football were clubs spend what they are able to spend. But we have a problem here, clubs like Juventus or Milan who have a smaller market than PSG have been bankrolled for decades by their sugar daddies, their current place in football is due to that and if we were fair we would give that same opportunity to PSG and City, in my opinion the rules of FFP should be extremely tight and severe but new comers with big commercial potential should be given a period of leeway(obviously with wage and transfer caps), for example the UEFA could establish that for a period of 5-10 years those clubs are given the possibility to finance their budget through their owners but they can't go higher than 50%-60% of the highest budget in the confederation, unless if those deals represent less than 35% of the club's commercial deals.
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RRCE said:
I would have obviously loved to see Neymar at United, and I'm sure we've spoken with his camp on several occasions over the course of time (you can't tell me the player would have chosen PSG over United, all things being equal), but I'm also glad that the club didn't go down this road. While we've certainly spent big on many players, there has to be limits. I just don't think that such a massive financial commitment to a single player is worth it.

As for FFP, we'll see what, if any, implications arise here. It seems as though FFP really has no teeth, so I'm not sure how relevant that really is to the discussion. Time will tell.
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My talk about FFP was on the notion of the previous G-14 clubs, who had confidence from UEFA about it. It slightly worked for a while as clubs such as City and PSG had reigned in their spending. However, it seems over the past 18 months - 2 years, the oil rich boys don't give a toss about it and going on a mad spending spree.
 
Raoul said:
That's not what's happening though is it. Is Neymar a product of the English TV deal ? Was Higuin's transfer from Napoli to Juve part of the English TV deal ? How about Mbappe to Madrid ?
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Higuian was a knock on from the Pogba money, financed i part by the big TV deal..
 
sammsky1 said:
What do you propose? How will you legislate what is the fair value of sponsorship?
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I worked for a company that specialised in sport sponsorship valuation - it's not an overly difficult process. The bulk of sponsorship value is media value, so they'll know in advance the ball park figure for the level of media exposure they'll be buying into, you can ask them to submit a comprehensive marketing plan to utilise that sponsorship and then you can come to some agreement on the intangible value it offers as an all-round package. Anything that falls outside the accepted range will be dismissed. Sports rightsholders, media owners and brands involved in the sponsorship process already pay significant sums of money to measure the value of their sponsorship, all you need to do is incorporate that into legislation.
 
red thru&thru said:
My talk about FFP was on the notion of the previous G-14 clubs, who had confidence from UEFA about it. It slightly worked for a while as clubs such as City and PSG had reigned in their spending. However, it seems over the past 18 months - 2 years, the oil rich boys don't give a toss about it and going on a mad spending spree.
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City have got rid of about 8 big wage players so far this summer (almost 10 with Iheanacho and Fernando imminent), with another 6 or so soon to follow.

I'll bet they're still paying attention to their books.
 
JPRouve said:
Personally I like my idea.
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The main problem I see is the inflated commercial deals. Instead of just pumping money they will buy the rights of the Stadium Name are things like that for crazy money. What could you do against this? There is no way to check what a free market actor would pay for it. If you want to estimate it you will get 10 estimates from 10 persons. There is other ways around this too.
 
The £8.5bn is the domestic deal for the PL.

International rights were expected to pull in another healthy chunk but we're sold to countries individually. I don't know the totals, but the USA for example was $1bn over five years.
 
Mourinho says he represents value.

We need a worldclass attacker.

I wonder if we enquiried at all or were out off by the numbers at board level.
 
KingMinger22 said:
The £8.5bn is the domestic deal for the PL.

International rights were expected to pull in another healthy chunk but we're sold to countries individually. I don't know the totals, but the USA for example was $1bn over five years.
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Define individually, because the tv rights abroad are still sold collectively.
 
Does anybody know what the general consensus amongst PSG fans is on this transfer?
I'd imagine the best majority would be for it regardless of the fee.
 
KingMinger22 said:
The £8.5bn is the domestic deal for the PL.

International rights were expected to pull in another healthy chunk but we're sold to countries individually. I don't know the totals, but the USA for example was $1bn over five years.
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£8.5bn over 3 years is all TV rights for the Premier League.

Sky/BT are paying £5.137bn for the live rights in the UK.
BBC are paying £200m for the highlight rights in the UK.
International rights are worth £3.2bn.
 
predator said:
Does anybody know what the general consensus amongst PSG fans is on this transfer?
I'd imagine the best majority would be for it regardless of the fee.
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If I know anything about PSG fans they'll just want him added to FIFA 2017 asap.
 
endless_wheelies said:
City have got rid of about 8 big wage players so far this summer (almost 10 with Iheanacho and Fernando imminent), with another 6 or so soon to follow.

I'll bet they're still paying attention to their books.
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In terms of wages they would have got them off the books but in terms of actual paying of transfer fees. I don't think it would have made much, if any difference at all, as majority of their players were released rather than sold.

However, my question around them is how can they be involved in a battle for Mbappe? They can't even get bums on seats for their games, how are they affording all these transfers? Dodgy sponsorship dealings.
 
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