Spot on and could even throw in a CM who could control the tempo as well
Next United manager who can get Raphinha + A world class nr.8 and a upcoming CB will succeed
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Spot on and could even throw in a CM who could control the tempo as well
Since C.Ronaldo just rejoined United yesterday. After i start this thread. I will re edit, re evaluate the United squad again. And i will ask if Cristiano Ronaldo is the missing link and the last missing puzzle?
The answer is both yes and no. It depend on how Ole and his coaching staff are using theirs squad. First i will write about why Ronaldo is the last missing link and last puzzle.
The yes answer depend like the main purpose of this thread. It is. Do United have a complete top class nr.8 in the team and squad?From mine observing and analizing of United squad. I do believe Bruno is really close to be and consider as a complete nr.8. Even Bruno is playing as nr.10 right now. First it is not big different beetween nr.8 and free nr.10/CAM. The biggest different is the 10 get more free attacking role than a nr.8. A nr.8 is creative offensive player. But in a deeper and more central role of the pitch.
So for me. It does exist and internal solution in the United squad, to solve the nr.8 problem. A player that link with the defend and attack.
And why do i rate Bruno as close to be a complete nr.8?Which abilities make him a complete nr.8. Compare if not the best nr.8 in football history was Paul Scholes.
And with the word complete. I mean he is really good with the ball in everything :
- a top level in both short and long passes. Both one/few touch football and more.
- ability to pass and run with the ball and pass opponent players with the ball/comfortable and hard to take the ball from. Even with high and aggresive pressure
- high football vision and understanding
- ability to score around 5 - 10 goals a season playing regular as a nr.8
So then we can ask ourselves if Bruno has all those abilities?Definitely yes
And before the arriving of Ronaldo. I said and wrote if United find a nr.compete top level nr.8. United will become a complete team. The last missing link is found. And with and after Ronaldo arriving. United is even more strenght in the attacking 4 upfront.
The yes answer with Ronaldo in the line up. For me. It will be a 4-4-2 with Bruno as nr.8. Like this :
Sancho - McTom - Bruno - Rashford + Greenwood - Ronaldo
Now. We analize why Ronaldo will not be the last missing link. The "no answer" is still relate and depend on the the complete nr.8. This time is. If Ole and United still refuse to drop Bruno down as nr.8 and not use Pobga regular as nr.8 against teams United shall dominate. Like using McTom and Fred as cm duo most of the time against team United shall dominate. Even with 4 really attacking and skillful players upfront. United might struggle to open up a tight and parking defend. Because a build up of a team usually start deeper from the midfield or from the back line. And in those situations. For to be more sure. A super creative and complete nr.8 will help the attacking 4 a lot. More than Fred, McTom and Matic will do.
Reason i think why United will struggle even with Ronaldo, Bruno, Sancho and Greenwood in the line up. LIke this. In a 4411 formation. With Bruno as nr.10 and Ronaldo as CF
Greenwood - McTom - Fred - Sancho + Bruno + Ronaldo.
With those line up and combination. United might still struggle against a parking and tight defend. Even i recognize and believe with the addition of Sancho this year. Will help to open up a tight defend. But Sancho is not superman and still human. Like Ronaldo. So Sancho will not open a tight defend up, easily. Everytime. This is where. Sometime. As a team. You need a different way to attack and open up a defend. From the centre. Like with trough and assist passes. Not only trough the wingers and wide players. Same as assist passes from Lindelof to Bruno and the CF in many occassions lately. But just from closer and further up the pitch. Like Scholes did in his day.
And to make and prove the "No" answer is right. That CM duo McTom and Fred will not be good enough to help United winning the league and the last puzzle and missing link is missing. I will take and give an example.
+ We take an example of a car: If we want to get the max out of. The pontential of the car. Like a formel one car. If all others units are on top level. The engine, break, the metal part and a top driver. BUT if the quality of the wheels are average. Not driving with top quality of wheels. Best grip or whatever a top quality wheels give you. How will you come up with others Former 1 driver that have everything close to perfect?Include top quality wheels.
Then we take this into a football team and XI. A CM duo are 2 units make important part of a whole XI. If those 2 CM duo are not close on top level. Then over a long period. Like a long season. It will naturally affect the end result of the team. We cant go against the factors/reasons and the effect of it. They do have theirs limit and max level. Compare to other really good midfield like Man City. With De Bruyne - Fernandinho - Foden
So that are mine thoughts about C.Ronaldo. The last missing link and the last puzzle. United and Ole still have to solve, fix, strength and improve the quality of the nr.8. Can play with 2 more DM and nr.6. Most of the time over a hole season.
And i can conclude. If United and Ole drop and play Bruno and develop him as nr.8. To the benefit of the team.
Then i think and believe United will win the league in the next two years Ronaldo is here. Bruno regular as the brain and mind of the team, as a regular and close to complete a nr.8
In the end. How to put all the players in a 442 formation:
Bissaka/Lindelof/Dalot - Varane/Lindelof/Bailly - Maguire/Jones - Shaw/Telles
Sancho/Diallo/Greenwood - Bruno/Pogba(nr8) - McTom/Fred(nr.6) - Rashford/Sancho/Martial
Greenwood/Rashford - Ronaldo/Cavani
With those players in this 442 formations. And no addition of an external solution like Tielemans from Leicester. As a new nr.8 from the outside. With this squad. In the next 2 years. If you get the max out of those players. Good enough to win the league in the 2 years.
Wish the all the readers a good day
. Exciting times ahead.
The answer is both yes and no. It depend on how Ole and his coaching staff are using theirs squad. First i will write about why Ronaldo is the last missing link and last puzzle.
The yes answer depend like the main purpose of this thread. It is. Do United have a complete top class nr.8 in the team and squad?From mine observing and analizing of United squad. I do believe Bruno is really close to be and consider as a complete nr.8. Even Bruno is playing as nr.10 right now. First it is not big different beetween nr.8 and free nr.10/CAM. The biggest different is the 10 get more free attacking role than a nr.8. A nr.8 is creative offensive player. But in a deeper and more central role of the pitch.
So for me. It does exist and internal solution in the United squad, to solve the nr.8 problem. A player that link with the defend and attack.
And why do i rate Bruno as close to be a complete nr.8?Which abilities make him a complete nr.8. Compare if not the best nr.8 in football history was Paul Scholes.
And with the word complete. I mean he is really good with the ball in everything :
- a top level in both short and long passes. Both one/few touch football and more.
- ability to pass and run with the ball and pass opponent players with the ball/comfortable and hard to take the ball from. Even with high and aggresive pressure
- high football vision and understanding
- ability to score around 5 - 10 goals a season playing regular as a nr.8
So then we can ask ourselves if Bruno has all those abilities?Definitely yes
And before the arriving of Ronaldo. I said and wrote if United find a nr.compete top level nr.8. United will become a complete team. The last missing link is found. And with and after Ronaldo arriving. United is even more strenght in the attacking 4 upfront.
The yes answer with Ronaldo in the line up. For me. It will be a 4-4-2 with Bruno as nr.8. Like this :
Sancho - McTom - Bruno - Rashford + Greenwood - Ronaldo
Now. We analize why Ronaldo will not be the last missing link. The "no answer" is still relate and depend on the the complete nr.8. This time is. If Ole and United still refuse to drop Bruno down as nr.8 and not use Pobga regular as nr.8 against teams United shall dominate. Like using McTom and Fred as cm duo most of the time against team United shall dominate. Even with 4 really attacking and skillful players upfront. United might struggle to open up a tight and parking defend. Because a build up of a team usually start deeper from the midfield or from the back line. And in those situations. For to be more sure. A super creative and complete nr.8 will help the attacking 4 a lot. More than Fred, McTom and Matic will do.
Reason i think why United will struggle even with Ronaldo, Bruno, Sancho and Greenwood in the line up. LIke this. In a 4411 formation. With Bruno as nr.10 and Ronaldo as CF
Greenwood - McTom - Fred - Sancho + Bruno + Ronaldo.
With those line up and combination. United might still struggle against a parking and tight defend. Even i recognize and believe with the addition of Sancho this year. Will help to open up a tight defend. But Sancho is not superman and still human. Like Ronaldo. So Sancho will not open a tight defend up, easily. Everytime. This is where. Sometime. As a team. You need a different way to attack and open up a defend. From the centre. Like with trough and assist passes. Not only trough the wingers and wide players. Same as assist passes from Lindelof to Bruno and the CF in many occassions lately. But just from closer and further up the pitch. Like Scholes did in his day.
And to make and prove the "No" answer is right. That CM duo McTom and Fred will not be good enough to help United winning the league and the last puzzle and missing link is missing. I will take and give an example.
+ We take an example of a car: If we want to get the max out of. The pontential of the car. Like a formel one car. If all others units are on top level. The engine, break, the metal part and a top driver. BUT if the quality of the wheels are average. Not driving with top quality of wheels. Best grip or whatever a top quality wheels give you. How will you come up with others Former 1 driver that have everything close to perfect?Include top quality wheels.
Then we take this into a football team and XI. A CM duo are 2 units make important part of a whole XI. If those 2 CM duo are not close on top level. Then over a long period. Like a long season. It will naturally affect the end result of the team. We cant go against the factors/reasons and the effect of it. They do have theirs limit and max level. Compare to other really good midfield like Man City. With De Bruyne - Fernandinho - Foden
So that are mine thoughts about C.Ronaldo. The last missing link and the last puzzle. United and Ole still have to solve, fix, strength and improve the quality of the nr.8. Can play with 2 more DM and nr.6. Most of the time over a hole season.
And i can conclude. If United and Ole drop and play Bruno and develop him as nr.8. To the benefit of the team.
Then i think and believe United will win the league in the next two years Ronaldo is here. Bruno regular as the brain and mind of the team, as a regular and close to complete a nr.8
In the end. How to put all the players in a 442 formation:
Bissaka/Lindelof/Dalot - Varane/Lindelof/Bailly - Maguire/Jones - Shaw/Telles
Sancho/Diallo/Greenwood - Bruno/Pogba(nr8) - McTom/Fred(nr.6) - Rashford/Sancho/Martial
Greenwood/Rashford - Ronaldo/Cavani
With those players in this 442 formations. And no addition of an external solution like Tielemans from Leicester. As a new nr.8 from the outside. With this squad. In the next 2 years. If you get the max out of those players. Good enough to win the league in the 2 years.
Wish the all the readers a good day
. Exciting times ahead.Since C.Ronaldo just rejoined United yesterday. After i start this thread. I will re edit, re evaluate the United squad again. And i will ask if Cristiano Ronaldo is the missing link and the last missing puzzle?
The answer is both yes and no. It depend on how Ole and his coaching staff are using theirs squad. First i will write about why Ronaldo is the last missing link and last puzzle.
The yes answer depend like the main purpose of this thread. It is. Do United have a complete top class nr.8 in the team and squad?From mine observing and analizing of United squad. I do believe Bruno is really close to be and consider as a complete nr.8. Even Bruno is playing as nr.10 right now. First it is not big different beetween nr.8 and free nr.10/CAM. The biggest different is the 10 get more free attacking role than a nr.8. A nr.8 is creative offensive player. But in a deeper and more central role of the pitch.
So for me. It does exist and internal solution in the United squad, to solve the nr.8 problem. A player that link with the defend and attack.
And why do i rate Bruno as close to be a complete nr.8?Which abilities make him a complete nr.8. Compare if not the best nr.8 in football history was Paul Scholes.
And with the word complete. I mean he is really good with the ball in everything :
- a top level in both short and long passes. Both one/few touch football and more.
- ability to pass and run with the ball and pass opponent players with the ball/comfortable and hard to take the ball from. Even with high and aggresive pressure
- high football vision and understanding
- ability to score around 5 - 10 goals a season playing regular as a nr.8
So then we can ask ourselves if Bruno has all those abilities?Definitely yes
And before the arriving of Ronaldo. I said and wrote if United find a nr.compete top level nr.8. United will become a complete team. The last missing link is found. And with and after Ronaldo arriving. United is even more strenght in the attacking 4 upfront.
The yes answer with Ronaldo in the line up. For me. It will be a 4-4-2 with Bruno as nr.8. Like this :
Sancho - McTom - Bruno - Rashford + Greenwood - Ronaldo
Now. We analize why Ronaldo will not be the last missing link. The "no answer" is still relate and depend on the the complete nr.8. This time is. If Ole and United still refuse to drop Bruno down as nr.8 and not use Pobga regular as nr.8 against teams United shall dominate. Like using McTom and Fred as cm duo most of the time against team United shall dominate. Even with 4 really attacking and skillful players upfront. United might struggle to open up a tight and parking defend. Because a build up of a team usually start deeper from the midfield or from the back line. And in those situations. For to be more sure. A super creative and complete nr.8 will help the attacking 4 a lot. More than Fred, McTom and Matic will do.
Reason i think why United will struggle even with Ronaldo, Bruno, Sancho and Greenwood in the line up. LIke this. In a 4411 formation. With Bruno as nr.10 and Ronaldo as CF
Greenwood - McTom - Fred - Sancho + Bruno + Ronaldo.
With those line up and combination. United might still struggle against a parking and tight defend. Even i recognize and believe with the addition of Sancho this year. Will help to open up a tight defend. But Sancho is not superman and still human. Like Ronaldo. So Sancho will not open a tight defend up, easily. Everytime. This is where. Sometime. As a team. You need a different way to attack and open up a defend. From the centre. Like with trough and assist passes. Not only trough the wingers and wide players. Same as assist passes from Lindelof to Bruno and the CF in many occassions lately. But just from closer and further up the pitch. Like Scholes did in his day.
And to make and prove the "No" answer is right. That CM duo McTom and Fred will not be good enough to help United winning the league and the last puzzle and missing link is missing. I will take and give an example.
+ We take an example of a car: If we want to get the max out of. The pontential of the car. Like a formel one car. If all others units are on top level. The engine, break, the metal part and a top driver. BUT if the quality of the wheels are average. Not driving with top quality of wheels. Best grip or whatever a top quality wheels give you. How will you come up with others Former 1 driver that have everything close to perfect?Include top quality wheels.
Then we take this into a football team and XI. A CM duo are 2 units make important part of a whole XI. If those 2 CM duo are not close on top level. Then over a long period. Like a long season. It will naturally affect the end result of the team. We cant go against the factors/reasons and the effect of it. They do have theirs limit and max level. Compare to other really good midfield like Man City. With De Bruyne - Fernandinho - Foden
So that are mine thoughts about C.Ronaldo. The last missing link and the last puzzle. United and Ole still have to solve, fix, strength and improve the quality of the nr.8. Can play with 2 more DM and nr.6. Most of the time over a hole season.
And i can conclude. If United and Ole drop and play Bruno and develop him as nr.8. To the benefit of the team.
Then i think and believe United will win the league in the next two years Ronaldo is here. Bruno regular as the brain and mind of the team, as a regular and close to complete a nr.8
In the end. How to put all the players in a 442 formation:
Bissaka/Lindelof/Dalot - Varane/Lindelof/Bailly - Maguire/Jones - Shaw/Telles
Sancho/Diallo/Greenwood - Bruno/Pogba(nr8) - McTom/Fred(nr.6) - Rashford/Sancho/Martial
Greenwood/Rashford - Ronaldo/Cavani
With those players in this 442 formations. And no addition of an external solution like Tielemans from Leicester. As a new nr.8 from the outside. With this squad. In the next 2 years. If you get the max out of those players. Good enough to win the league in the 2 years.
Wish the all the readers a good day
Our main issue is with no 6. We have options for no 8 with Pogba, Fred. We need a good CDM like Ndidi, Neves which would complete the puzzle.
Today i will write and article of 3 football and premier league legends that will make United complete as a team. If United get one of those or have one of those 3 nr.8 premier league and football legends. I believe United will win and good enough to win premier league in the next years to come.
Those 3 legends are complete nr.8.
Those 3 legends are world class nr.8 and football players.
Those 3 are the highest level of a nr.8 you can reach. The highest mountain. The CM8 mountain.
Those 3 have set the standards of a complete and highest level of nr.8, in football. Who are they?
1. Let us begin with United legend Paul Scholes. That man could do everything with the ball that a complete nr.8 could do. And words dont and are not been able to describe his unbelievable skills and football understanding and vision. If someone is saying Modric is Mozart of music. Then Paul Scholes is "Einstein" of football. The highest level of creator. A football genius. So here is the video of United and football legend Paul Scholes :
2. If United have this nr.8 and offensive cm player in this current squad. United will definitely win the league too. In years to come. Like a peak Paul Scholes. He is more lightweight that Scholes. And maybe a lot faster than Scholes in the turning around with the body and changing direction and dribbling. Could look like a Scholes copy and Scholes football twin. He didnt play many years in premier league. But enough that Sir Alex try to buy him from Spurs. Spurs ex world class nr.8 is Luka Modric. Later Ballon Dor winner ahead of Messi and Ronaldo, once. And yet again. I stop here with the words description. You have to experience him with your eyes. To see the highest level of nr.8. The brain and mind of the team. Luka Modric :
3. The third one is the Manchester City and football legend Yaya Toure. This man was a beast of a cm player. Special in the offensive and with the ball. And to be honest. I like the way City play with Toure more than City without Toure at his best. And here is the video of him:
So now let us sum of the common abilities of those 3 football legends in keywords form:
+ They can do everything with the ball :
- top level of passer, include combination football. Like triangle and wall pass combination
- they are really good dribler, can make run and pass opponent players with the ball
- really good long shot and ability to score really often as a nr.8 and offensive cm player
- really good first touch and touch of the ball in general
+ Highest level of football understanding and vision
+ Highest confidence and consistent.
+ fast in the first metres and quick with the ball in general
+ They highest of passion and desire for football. They got to love football and 100 % focus on football
+ All of those 3 look simple. Dont look like a movie star. Simple but was shining stars. Their minds and feet let them speak.
No. Where to put those 3 football legends of nr.8 into United current XI and team. To make it complete. And when i am talking about only a nr.8 and nr.6. Then i am refering to a CM duo in a 442, 4411/4231 formation.
First in football world. A nr.8 and offensive creative cm player. Its a player that is most creative and best with the ball. Better with the ball than without the ball, defending. That is why we are having and calling the cm for a defensive cm player. Even this defensive player a really good with the ball too. But he is better to defend and in the defensive. His main job is to stop opponent attack. Win the ball if he could and play it fast to a more attacking player or making run with the ball to counter.
Example in football a 433. It is when a team have the ball. In the offensive. Without the ball. In the defensive and defending a 433 formation turn out to be a 4-5-1 formation. Because the 2 wingers and wide players drop down and help the sidebacks.
In short words. Offensive is when a team have a ball and defensive is when a team is defending. Like and AMC or CAM = attacking central midfield player. The main job to this player is to attack and having the ball. Better to attack than defending.
So in and back to nr.8 role in the team. The offensive creative cm player. Then it laying in the words. They are the creative and mind of the team. This is where all those 3 legends suit best as nr.8 players in a football team.
And now we line them up in a United XI current team. In United current most use 4231 first :
Sancho/Greenwood - Scholes/Modric/Toure - McTom - Rashford/Sancho + Bruno + Ronaldo
And with tw0 CFs upfront :
Sancho - Scholes/Modric/Toure/Bruno/Pobga - McTom - Rashford + Greenwood - Ronaldo
There you have those 6 units players in combination. Special with United current central spine. Really strong and domination. Like this with defend and goalkeeper:
GK : De Gea CB : Varana & Maguire CM : Scholes/Modric/Toure/Bruno/Pobga - McTom CFs . Greenwood & Ronaldo. Then you adding with spicy like Sancho and Rashford as fast and skillful wide players. Sum of those combination. Are reason why i think are good enough to win premier league and make this United team complete.
So back to my last post. What about without those 3 football legends. And United and Ole still want to use Bruno as nr.10 and not 100 % trust on Pogba as a regular nr.8 for and offensive cm player for United?It is where things take two direction and paths. And United that find it difficult to break down a tight defend. And if United have a world class nr.8 will rise to chance a lot to more easier to break down a tight defend, scoring more goals than opponent teams and win the matches. This is the problem of United in the last few years and seasons. The problem of "United car" to make it reach its max pontential. Lift the the consistent level of the creative nr.8. World class level if possible. Then United will rise the chance a lot win the premier league.
Again. A peak Scholes, Modric or Yaya Toure. One of them. Will help United current team to life premier league title. 100 % sure and convince.
And now the transfer window is closes. No more external solution to add as a new nr.8 option. Then in the team. Like i have mentioend and suggested. And like Pogba did against Wolves. Like the trough passes to Bruno few times. That is one of the way to attack and break down a tight defend. If you cant pass them trough the ground. Then attack them from the air. Like Lindelof deep from CB to Bruno or LW. Beside those passes. Those 3 football legends Scholes, Toure and Modric can do more than all kind of passes. They dribble and set up combination precise few touches football and movement. Why i call them as complete cm player and a complete nr.8 and world class nr.8.
And about Scott McTominay as nr.6. The more defensive cm player. Beside a nr.8. I think and believe he is good enough as regular for a United winning premier league team. United were close last season. United just had trouble to win against bottom teams and tight defend last season. The main problem is United and Ole didnt have a regular mind of a team. In the line up. The evaluation of the team and manager. One time is ok. But if things happen again and again. Then your team definitely have a problem to solve and fix. And that is the reason and factor why i start this thread. To fix and solve United nr.8.
And in the end. If football kids out there. Want to be a nr.8. The creative cm player. Those 3 football legends have set the standard of a complete and highest level of a nr.8.
At Barca. Iniesta, Xavi and Scholes were watching and learning from Paul Scholes. Those 3 football legends can and should be inspirations. Look closely at how they treat and handle the ball, their orientations and they movements.
Not only as a nr.8. This is the basic of all attackin players. Like CAM players and role/position too. Alse CF could learn how this 3 legends hit the ball correctly. Finish skills.
Conclusion and sum up. United are close to be complete as a team. The problem to open up tight defend and parking bus in the last two seasons. Have point at where the problem is. United lacking of a regular and consistent nr.8 on a top and world class level : The last and missing link and puzzle. Of a bigger picture which consist all the puzzles. The bigger picture is the success and main goal = premier league and biggest trophies. You need all the puzzles on the highest level.
Bruno and Pogba there as regular nr.8 can be the answer.
Those 3 legends are complete nr.8.
Those 3 legends are world class nr.8 and football players.
Those 3 are the highest level of a nr.8 you can reach. The highest mountain. The CM8 mountain.
Those 3 have set the standards of a complete and highest level of nr.8, in football. Who are they?
1. Let us begin with United legend Paul Scholes. That man could do everything with the ball that a complete nr.8 could do. And words dont and are not been able to describe his unbelievable skills and football understanding and vision. If someone is saying Modric is Mozart of music. Then Paul Scholes is "Einstein" of football. The highest level of creator. A football genius. So here is the video of United and football legend Paul Scholes :
2. If United have this nr.8 and offensive cm player in this current squad. United will definitely win the league too. In years to come. Like a peak Paul Scholes. He is more lightweight that Scholes. And maybe a lot faster than Scholes in the turning around with the body and changing direction and dribbling. Could look like a Scholes copy and Scholes football twin. He didnt play many years in premier league. But enough that Sir Alex try to buy him from Spurs. Spurs ex world class nr.8 is Luka Modric. Later Ballon Dor winner ahead of Messi and Ronaldo, once. And yet again. I stop here with the words description. You have to experience him with your eyes. To see the highest level of nr.8. The brain and mind of the team. Luka Modric :
3. The third one is the Manchester City and football legend Yaya Toure. This man was a beast of a cm player. Special in the offensive and with the ball. And to be honest. I like the way City play with Toure more than City without Toure at his best. And here is the video of him:
So now let us sum of the common abilities of those 3 football legends in keywords form:
+ They can do everything with the ball :
- top level of passer, include combination football. Like triangle and wall pass combination
- they are really good dribler, can make run and pass opponent players with the ball
- really good long shot and ability to score really often as a nr.8 and offensive cm player
- really good first touch and touch of the ball in general
+ Highest level of football understanding and vision
+ Highest confidence and consistent.
+ fast in the first metres and quick with the ball in general
+ They highest of passion and desire for football. They got to love football and 100 % focus on football
+ All of those 3 look simple. Dont look like a movie star. Simple but was shining stars. Their minds and feet let them speak.
No. Where to put those 3 football legends of nr.8 into United current XI and team. To make it complete. And when i am talking about only a nr.8 and nr.6. Then i am refering to a CM duo in a 442, 4411/4231 formation.
First in football world. A nr.8 and offensive creative cm player. Its a player that is most creative and best with the ball. Better with the ball than without the ball, defending. That is why we are having and calling the cm for a defensive cm player. Even this defensive player a really good with the ball too. But he is better to defend and in the defensive. His main job is to stop opponent attack. Win the ball if he could and play it fast to a more attacking player or making run with the ball to counter.
Example in football a 433. It is when a team have the ball. In the offensive. Without the ball. In the defensive and defending a 433 formation turn out to be a 4-5-1 formation. Because the 2 wingers and wide players drop down and help the sidebacks.
In short words. Offensive is when a team have a ball and defensive is when a team is defending. Like and AMC or CAM = attacking central midfield player. The main job to this player is to attack and having the ball. Better to attack than defending.
So in and back to nr.8 role in the team. The offensive creative cm player. Then it laying in the words. They are the creative and mind of the team. This is where all those 3 legends suit best as nr.8 players in a football team.
And now we line them up in a United XI current team. In United current most use 4231 first :
Sancho/Greenwood - Scholes/Modric/Toure - McTom - Rashford/Sancho + Bruno + Ronaldo
And with tw0 CFs upfront :
Sancho - Scholes/Modric/Toure/Bruno/Pobga - McTom - Rashford + Greenwood - Ronaldo
There you have those 6 units players in combination. Special with United current central spine. Really strong and domination. Like this with defend and goalkeeper:
GK : De Gea CB : Varana & Maguire CM : Scholes/Modric/Toure/Bruno/Pobga - McTom CFs . Greenwood & Ronaldo. Then you adding with spicy like Sancho and Rashford as fast and skillful wide players. Sum of those combination. Are reason why i think are good enough to win premier league and make this United team complete.
So back to my last post. What about without those 3 football legends. And United and Ole still want to use Bruno as nr.10 and not 100 % trust on Pogba as a regular nr.8 for and offensive cm player for United?It is where things take two direction and paths. And United that find it difficult to break down a tight defend. And if United have a world class nr.8 will rise to chance a lot to more easier to break down a tight defend, scoring more goals than opponent teams and win the matches. This is the problem of United in the last few years and seasons. The problem of "United car" to make it reach its max pontential. Lift the the consistent level of the creative nr.8. World class level if possible. Then United will rise the chance a lot win the premier league.
Again. A peak Scholes, Modric or Yaya Toure. One of them. Will help United current team to life premier league title. 100 % sure and convince.
And now the transfer window is closes. No more external solution to add as a new nr.8 option. Then in the team. Like i have mentioend and suggested. And like Pogba did against Wolves. Like the trough passes to Bruno few times. That is one of the way to attack and break down a tight defend. If you cant pass them trough the ground. Then attack them from the air. Like Lindelof deep from CB to Bruno or LW. Beside those passes. Those 3 football legends Scholes, Toure and Modric can do more than all kind of passes. They dribble and set up combination precise few touches football and movement. Why i call them as complete cm player and a complete nr.8 and world class nr.8.
And about Scott McTominay as nr.6. The more defensive cm player. Beside a nr.8. I think and believe he is good enough as regular for a United winning premier league team. United were close last season. United just had trouble to win against bottom teams and tight defend last season. The main problem is United and Ole didnt have a regular mind of a team. In the line up. The evaluation of the team and manager. One time is ok. But if things happen again and again. Then your team definitely have a problem to solve and fix. And that is the reason and factor why i start this thread. To fix and solve United nr.8.
And in the end. If football kids out there. Want to be a nr.8. The creative cm player. Those 3 football legends have set the standard of a complete and highest level of a nr.8.
At Barca. Iniesta, Xavi and Scholes were watching and learning from Paul Scholes. Those 3 football legends can and should be inspirations. Look closely at how they treat and handle the ball, their orientations and they movements.
Not only as a nr.8. This is the basic of all attackin players. Like CAM players and role/position too. Alse CF could learn how this 3 legends hit the ball correctly. Finish skills.
Conclusion and sum up. United are close to be complete as a team. The problem to open up tight defend and parking bus in the last two seasons. Have point at where the problem is. United lacking of a regular and consistent nr.8 on a top and world class level : The last and missing link and puzzle. Of a bigger picture which consist all the puzzles. The bigger picture is the success and main goal = premier league and biggest trophies. You need all the puzzles on the highest level.
Bruno and Pogba there as regular nr.8 can be the answer.
Re edit and adding:
If United want to succed and win the premier league: United need to buy and get a top world class CM and world nr.8. The creative one.
If United want to dominate and control the match more: United need to buy and get a world class creative cm player.
Manchester City have 5 offensive, creative ball players + Rodri who are decent and good on the ball too.
Take a look. Manchester City against Leeds. They started with Mahrez, Benardo, Grelish, Bruyne and Foden. All those 5 players are really really good and creative with the ball. Reasons why City and Pep are dominating most of football matches, alot.
Compare. United have only 4 really good ball players. Rashford, Bruno, Sancho and Ronaldo. Infront of two more defensive cm players. In Fred and McTom. It is where United need to strenghth.
United might get top 4 with McFred every season. But to compete with City, Liverpool and Chelsea for premier league and Bayern, PSG, R Madrid for ch.league. I think and believe like from the first post of the thread and the reason of this thread.
United need a world class creative cm player. If Varane hit top level and injury free. Then the last puzzle and missing link of the United team is a world class nr.8.
United do have a really good and creative cm player in Pogba. But at the same time without him. United is a bit short.
The next intern solution is to drop Bruno down as nr.8 and move Greenwood up as CF. Like this.
Sancho - Bruno - McFred/Pobga - Rashford + Greenwood - Ronaldo
Against team United shall dominate. United will benefit more of having a more creative cm player there in Bruno or Pobga. Instead of one of McFred.
So again. If United is aiming and having a goal to win premier league or ch.league again. Here are solutions.
Still with a new manager. In the offensive playing and the creative and creating part of the games. United still struggling. The biggest reason is United central midfield.
I think the next manager or the manager who that get and use a world class creative cm player there. Will be the one who succeed at United. Because even without Ronaldo. I think and believe United is close to win the biggest trophy. Because of the central spine. Maybe minus United CB without Varane.
Line up without Ronaldo. Just for example. 4411
Sancho - a world class cm - McTom Fred - Rasford + Bruno + Greenwood
This line up will create a lot of chances too. In a 442
Sancho - Bruno - McTom/Fred - Martial + Greenwood - Rashford.
The creative part. Build up of the attack and creating big clear chances really often and many during a game. United need to upgrade and use a more and top level of a creative cm player. Dominate the match, control the ball and tempo. Dictating. United need a world class creative cm player. Then you get the perfect balance. 5 creative ball players + 5 defensive players. Like City and Liverpool are having.
If United want to succed and win the premier league: United need to buy and get a top world class CM and world nr.8. The creative one.
If United want to dominate and control the match more: United need to buy and get a world class creative cm player.
Manchester City have 5 offensive, creative ball players + Rodri who are decent and good on the ball too.
Take a look. Manchester City against Leeds. They started with Mahrez, Benardo, Grelish, Bruyne and Foden. All those 5 players are really really good and creative with the ball. Reasons why City and Pep are dominating most of football matches, alot.
Compare. United have only 4 really good ball players. Rashford, Bruno, Sancho and Ronaldo. Infront of two more defensive cm players. In Fred and McTom. It is where United need to strenghth.
United might get top 4 with McFred every season. But to compete with City, Liverpool and Chelsea for premier league and Bayern, PSG, R Madrid for ch.league. I think and believe like from the first post of the thread and the reason of this thread.
United need a world class creative cm player. If Varane hit top level and injury free. Then the last puzzle and missing link of the United team is a world class nr.8.
United do have a really good and creative cm player in Pogba. But at the same time without him. United is a bit short.
The next intern solution is to drop Bruno down as nr.8 and move Greenwood up as CF. Like this.
Sancho - Bruno - McFred/Pobga - Rashford + Greenwood - Ronaldo
Against team United shall dominate. United will benefit more of having a more creative cm player there in Bruno or Pobga. Instead of one of McFred.
So again. If United is aiming and having a goal to win premier league or ch.league again. Here are solutions.
Still with a new manager. In the offensive playing and the creative and creating part of the games. United still struggling. The biggest reason is United central midfield.
I think the next manager or the manager who that get and use a world class creative cm player there. Will be the one who succeed at United. Because even without Ronaldo. I think and believe United is close to win the biggest trophy. Because of the central spine. Maybe minus United CB without Varane.
Line up without Ronaldo. Just for example. 4411
Sancho - a world class cm - McTom Fred - Rasford + Bruno + Greenwood
This line up will create a lot of chances too. In a 442
Sancho - Bruno - McTom/Fred - Martial + Greenwood - Rashford.
The creative part. Build up of the attack and creating big clear chances really often and many during a game. United need to upgrade and use a more and top level of a creative cm player. Dominate the match, control the ball and tempo. Dictating. United need a world class creative cm player. Then you get the perfect balance. 5 creative ball players + 5 defensive players. Like City and Liverpool are having.
We should go all out for Yves Bissouma and Modric in the summer.
Modric is set to leave as a free agent, he will be a sound deep lying playmaker for us,
Bissouma will be the real energetic B2B midfielder that will sit in front of the midfield triangle together with Bruno/VDB
Let it be akin to the Juventus conte midfield set up.
Modric will be our pirlo
Bissouma will be our Marchisio
Bruno will be our "Juventus pogba then"
Modric is set to leave as a free agent, he will be a sound deep lying playmaker for us,
Bissouma will be the real energetic B2B midfielder that will sit in front of the midfield triangle together with Bruno/VDB
Let it be akin to the Juventus conte midfield set up.
Modric will be our pirlo
Bissouma will be our Marchisio
Bruno will be our "Juventus pogba then"
Look, I don't wish to bash the op as he/she took the time to write a very detailed and impassioned view of where he thinks the problem(s) lie, but I'm sorry its a bit delusional.
Pogba is not the answer as has been discussed extensively on the 'extend contract talks' thread and as I have said, he is very much in the Gareth Bale mode of player - puts it in for his country and not the club that pays his wages. Which is pretty disgraceful in itself.
As regards 'Then I think United will be good enough to win the league...' can I just point out Manchester United are currently 17 points behind 1st place and coincidentally 17 points away from the bottom placed club. Hence my comment re delusional posts.
That was hard. To read. With all of the periods.
Many of us have been saying this for years. Our midfield is not on par with any of the top clubs and it's been like this for too long. It sounds like RR is prioritizing midfielders so we will see.
I love Modric but he is 36 years old!
So is Ronaldo and Modric was never fast even in his twenties, anyways.
No, they're mostly good final ball players but they won't help you control a game.
I guess your point is Ronaldo is 36 and is doing okay, than Modric could come in a do okay at midfield. If you want "okay" then it would be a good strategy.
Ok, so we need better players to win championships. Thank you for letting us know
A world class 6/8 is more important.
I believe we need a consistent, reliable HM who also has leadership qualities and in my opinion his name is Declan Rice.
It was a certainty we wouldve been in for him with Ole but now with Ralf those chances went down.
It was a certainty we wouldve been in for him with Ole but now with Ralf those chances went down.
8 cm might be a bit small actually
I think we have two options on this, get a monstrous defensive midfielder of the Fabinho type and then look to groom Mejbri for the no. 8 role OR get someone on the cheap like Kamara and then look to spend big on the creative 8 - Bellingham would be my pick but Dortmund won't be selling another crown jewel soon after the inevitable sale of Haa land.
Another realistic option would be to sign Haidara and De Jong to come in and play the harrier and sitter roles but you would worry whether Frankie would have the physicality to hold fort in the PL. But one thing is clear - this team will always flatter to deceive until moves are made to substantially improve the technical level of the midfield.
Getting the players we need will be the problem. We need a DM a RB and a Forward.
City will most likely go on and buy a centre forward next week, and win everything for next few years.
City will most likely go on and buy a centre forward next week, and win everything for next few years.
Add more to the United nr.8 problem. Missing the top level of a creative and controlling nr.8
I am 100 sure of it. United as a team will benefit of it. It's not about the name. It's not about Bruno. But it's about the abilities that demand to be a world class creative, controlling, dictating and playmaking nr.8. The mind of the team.
You got top 4 by playing Bruno as a CAM. Without adding the qualities and abilities or a world class creative nr.8 in this transfer window or next summer.
And reasons why United will benefit of dropping Bruno down as nr.8?Specialize and make Bruno use to play a bit deeper as nr.8. Bruno has the abilities. Its getting use to the temp and pace playing as a nr.8. Deeper but still all have the same creative roles. Dictating, pushing and control the ball as a nr.8.
The biggest reason of benefit Bruno down as nr.8 :
+ The qualities, abilities and level of CF are better than CM options. When we are talking about the creative and ball skills of the cm players. As attacking and creative players. Matic. Fred and McTom are not on same level as Rashford and Greenwood.
Then potential line up will be. In a 442
Sancho - creative cm, nr8 = Bruno/Pobga/ - defensive and ballwinner = Fred/McTom - Rashford + Greenwood/Beek/Lingard - Ronaldo/Cavani
Personal i think and believe United best XI is, in a 442
De Gea + Bissaka - Varane - Maguire - Shaw + Sancho - McTom - Bruno - Rashford + Greenwood - Ronaldo. Against top team i might drop Ronaldo for Cavani. Because of Cavani workrate and aggresiveness. Alternative to Greenwood is DVB who i think is better as a free CAM or maybe Lingard can suit a CAM role too. Both of DVB and Lingard suit CAM role better than Fred and McTom suiting a world class and top level nr.8 role. Reason why dropping Bruno down as nr.8 and play Greenwood/DVB/Lingard will suit and benefit United more. If United dont get a new top world class nr.8 in this January transfer window.
In the end. I think and believe the next manager/the manager that still use 442/4231. Use or buy or get a top world class creative nr.8 will succeed. So after a half season. The answer is Ronaldo wasnt the missing link. The missing link are still missing = A world class creative and controlling nr.8
My best recommendation and advice to United.
I am 100 sure of it. United as a team will benefit of it. It's not about the name. It's not about Bruno. But it's about the abilities that demand to be a world class creative, controlling, dictating and playmaking nr.8. The mind of the team.
You got top 4 by playing Bruno as a CAM. Without adding the qualities and abilities or a world class creative nr.8 in this transfer window or next summer.
And reasons why United will benefit of dropping Bruno down as nr.8?Specialize and make Bruno use to play a bit deeper as nr.8. Bruno has the abilities. Its getting use to the temp and pace playing as a nr.8. Deeper but still all have the same creative roles. Dictating, pushing and control the ball as a nr.8.
The biggest reason of benefit Bruno down as nr.8 :
+ The qualities, abilities and level of CF are better than CM options. When we are talking about the creative and ball skills of the cm players. As attacking and creative players. Matic. Fred and McTom are not on same level as Rashford and Greenwood.
Then potential line up will be. In a 442
Sancho - creative cm, nr8 = Bruno/Pobga/ - defensive and ballwinner = Fred/McTom - Rashford + Greenwood/Beek/Lingard - Ronaldo/Cavani
Personal i think and believe United best XI is, in a 442
De Gea + Bissaka - Varane - Maguire - Shaw + Sancho - McTom - Bruno - Rashford + Greenwood - Ronaldo. Against top team i might drop Ronaldo for Cavani. Because of Cavani workrate and aggresiveness. Alternative to Greenwood is DVB who i think is better as a free CAM or maybe Lingard can suit a CAM role too. Both of DVB and Lingard suit CAM role better than Fred and McTom suiting a world class and top level nr.8 role. Reason why dropping Bruno down as nr.8 and play Greenwood/DVB/Lingard will suit and benefit United more. If United dont get a new top world class nr.8 in this January transfer window.
In the end. I think and believe the next manager/the manager that still use 442/4231. Use or buy or get a top world class creative nr.8 will succeed. So after a half season. The answer is Ronaldo wasnt the missing link. The missing link are still missing = A world class creative and controlling nr.8
My best recommendation and advice to United.
Agree, and it happened in SAFs day Beckham was becoming his brand what it is today, and off he went. This is what you said ruining the game , and it won't change.
Updating recommendations for United. Acting like United free consultant. Free advicing and recommendations.
Next United that can bring Raphinha + a world class offensive and creative nr.8 and a world class CB ( A beast of a CB) will succeed.
+ RW in and out. Mata out - In with Raphinha. Current MV 45 Euro. Around 40 - 50 mill £ plus add ons would be right price for all parts.
+ Creative nr.8 : not many world class nr.8 out there like peak Scholes, Yaya Toure, Modric. But at this moment. A realistic and really really good nr.8. A intelligence and super creative Chirstian Eriksen for Brentford.
So from mine last recommedations. Update and edit to this date. C.Eriksen has hit back a really really high level both for Brentford and Denmark. Eriksen can still working hard and run a lot. Has played 2 x 90 minutes games for Brentford. Eriksen looks like a salvation a la Bruno for United. Eriksen has lift Brentford like Bruno was lifting United. How amazing and strong away performance agains Chelsea. 1-4 victory.
If Eriksen keep playing like this next season too. Then i am sure he will help United attack a lot too.
+ Then United need a new world class CB. Or at closest as possible to the top level. United have two established CBs now. United need a new upcoming beast of a CB. A leader of CB and totally solid and dominate.
And how to line the new additions in a 4-3-3 formation?
Raphinha/Diallo - Eriksen/McTom - Fred/Garner - Bruno/DVB - Sancho/Rashford/Garnacho + Ronaldo/Rashford/ McNeill
There you have. Doubles in every position in the 4-3-3 formation.
And i can promise. With the top conistent quality service from Raphinha & Eriksen.
With the midfield 5 of Raphinha - Eriksen - Fred - Bruno - Sancho/Rashford. United CF next season will score 20 + in the league. Those players will make life easier for United CF and bring back the joy to the fans. Reason = goals goals goals.
With Eriksen & Raphinha in the team. I can promise United will belong to the teams that score most in the league.
Ingredients = Run a lot + precise with the ball + quick and skill ful + high level of football understanding and vision = football intelligence.
Conclusion and sum up of this new updtate and edit of recommendations and advice:
I am 100 % convinced. If United get Raphinha, Eriksen and a world class upcoming CB. The next manager will succeed. United just need Raphinha + A world class offensive and creative nr.8 and a world class upcoming CB. Beside a manager that how to play 433 and total football. In Ten Hag from Ajax as example.
Those are improvements on the football area. Transfer in and out and on the pitch.
Next United that can bring Raphinha + a world class offensive and creative nr.8 and a world class CB ( A beast of a CB) will succeed.
+ RW in and out. Mata out - In with Raphinha. Current MV 45 Euro. Around 40 - 50 mill £ plus add ons would be right price for all parts.
+ Creative nr.8 : not many world class nr.8 out there like peak Scholes, Yaya Toure, Modric. But at this moment. A realistic and really really good nr.8. A intelligence and super creative Chirstian Eriksen for Brentford.
So from mine last recommedations. Update and edit to this date. C.Eriksen has hit back a really really high level both for Brentford and Denmark. Eriksen can still working hard and run a lot. Has played 2 x 90 minutes games for Brentford. Eriksen looks like a salvation a la Bruno for United. Eriksen has lift Brentford like Bruno was lifting United. How amazing and strong away performance agains Chelsea. 1-4 victory.
If Eriksen keep playing like this next season too. Then i am sure he will help United attack a lot too.
+ Then United need a new world class CB. Or at closest as possible to the top level. United have two established CBs now. United need a new upcoming beast of a CB. A leader of CB and totally solid and dominate.
And how to line the new additions in a 4-3-3 formation?
Raphinha/Diallo - Eriksen/McTom - Fred/Garner - Bruno/DVB - Sancho/Rashford/Garnacho + Ronaldo/Rashford/ McNeill
There you have. Doubles in every position in the 4-3-3 formation.
And i can promise. With the top conistent quality service from Raphinha & Eriksen.
With the midfield 5 of Raphinha - Eriksen - Fred - Bruno - Sancho/Rashford. United CF next season will score 20 + in the league. Those players will make life easier for United CF and bring back the joy to the fans. Reason = goals goals goals.
With Eriksen & Raphinha in the team. I can promise United will belong to the teams that score most in the league.
Ingredients = Run a lot + precise with the ball + quick and skill ful + high level of football understanding and vision = football intelligence.
Conclusion and sum up of this new updtate and edit of recommendations and advice:
I am 100 % convinced. If United get Raphinha, Eriksen and a world class upcoming CB. The next manager will succeed. United just need Raphinha + A world class offensive and creative nr.8 and a world class upcoming CB. Beside a manager that how to play 433 and total football. In Ten Hag from Ajax as example.
Those are improvements on the football area. Transfer in and out and on the pitch.
The idea of playing a midfield three of Eriksen, Bruno and Fred is even more mental than anything you said about visiting the White House as a Norwegian king or whatever it was, mate.
What?
I’m very confused by this thread. The thread title gets updated whenever luckyscout feels like giving some new recommendations?
Now this is interesting, we need more info
Can't believe people missed that one.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/do-legends-walk-alone-now-available-in-audiobook.465305/ Feel free to avail yourself of the audiobook version courtesy of @Vidyoyo near the bottom of the first page.
Phenomenal. Up there with dreams can’t be buy.Can't believe people missed that one.
Feel free to avail yourself of the audiobook version courtesy of @Vidyoyo near the bottom of the first page.
Can't believe people missed that one.
Feel free to avail yourself of the audiobook version courtesy of @Vidyoyo near the bottom of the first page.
@LuckyScout78 has had enough ribbing from me for one lifetime. He puts far more effort into his posts than I can even dream of.Well, add CR, Cavani, Matic, Mata, make us older than a pub football team.
This thread gets updated every time he has a brain fart.
There is a thread in the transfer forum especially for this type of speculation, it’s called the “what else do we need? Aka the never ending story”
There is a thread in the transfer forum especially for this type of speculation, it’s called the “what else do we need? Aka the never ending story”
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