Sensible questions and pretty much what I said I would ask if I was being interviewed in the thread on this topic.
Hopefully, PSV can just lose two games on the trot and Ajax have all but won their league by the end of next week.
If that's true then i can understand why you might be frustrated. But if he's so adverse to playing and bringing through youngsters, why did Bayern hire him to manage their B team? That's not a criticism of your opinion i'm curious because i wonder if any Bayern fans can shed some light on his time there.I'm sad he's leaving but I'm highlighting his flaws, which have been genuine frustrations this past two seasons in particular, because I genuinely think United is one of the few places he could go to and fail.
It's not changing the goalposts. I was initially responding to comments saying he would give youth the chance, then to questions of why I still rated him despite that, but then also why I thought he would fail at United despite really rating him as a manager.
He's not ruthless enough in cutting the dross, because he isn't willing to leave those spots to talents who haven't proven they're reliable first-team footballers yet (but how could they have?), and is in that same way too cautious in holding on to players for depth even when they aren't going to help bring the club to a higher level anymore.
The awkward farmer part is why I think he'll fail at United of all clubs in particular, combined with the structure of the club and that the nature of (some of) the players in your dressing room, especially if, if I'm to believe a lot of posters on here, that dressing room calls for a massive overhaul.
As an example of my frustration with trusting youth, is his interview just this month about why he continues to call up (the never played) Labyad over our (super)talent Unuvar, who is now the most consistent performer in our reserves (who play in the Dutch second tier) and has built up his physical capacity to the level expected (this was his issue previous season):
https://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=401599
The problem though is that Unuvar can never show that he can make the difference for the first team if he isn't given the chance in the first place.
Again, Noa Lang was in this exact same position, and went to Brugge, and in his first season destroyed the Belgian league.
So the same player who was deemed unable to make the difference, even coming from the bench, for Ajax was somehow good enough to immediately be basically the best and most decisive player in the Belgian league.
https://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/rangnick-removed-from-say-on-next-man-utd-manager-4410184
Ralf Rangnick won't have a major influence on the choice of Manchester United's next manager.
The interim manager is in charge of the Red Devils for the remainder of the season before he takes a two-year consultancy role in the summer. It's been reported that Rangnick has been involved in the search for his successor, but this may no longer be the case.
Rangnick has already advised the board that the new man needs significant backing in the transfer market while giving his seal of approval for Erik ten Hag, who is a leading contender for the role.
But The National says Rangnick has 'limited say in the matter' and has been asked to concentrate on finishing the season as strongly as possible.
Depends on what you believe innit? The truth is in the pudding, United made no signings in January. There were numerous links to midfielders during the January transfer market and not a thing was done. Perhaps the club wanted to wait for the next permanent appointment but if you believe the rumors Rangknick made strong recommendations for players in the aforementioned links and came to no avail. There's also this:
You dont have to believe a word of this, but consider how the club has been run since Woodward took the helm. Consider that the same people who were part of the same failed regime are still at the club in different roles overseeing the 'big changes' you speak of to 'stop the rot'. Use some discernment and see what conclusions you come to. Perhaps you think I'm a doom monger, but these concerns are real
Except we were saying bad things about Mourinho before he got sacked, eleven months before he went to Spurs. So totally different situations.Spurs fans said the same about us when Mourinho joined them, though.
He'd also been sacked by his previous 2 clubs when he joined us, whereas ten Hag has never been sacked.Except we were saying bad things about Mourinho before he got sacked, eleven months before he went to Spurs. So totally different situations.
Thats a bit of a pointless argument when you consider where Ten Hag has managed vs Jose MourinhoHe'd also been sacked by his previous 2 clubs when he joined us, whereas ten Hag has never been sacked.
Except we were saying bad things about Mourinho before he got sacked, eleven months before he went to Spurs. So totally different situations.
This whole youth promotion amass is a bit of myth. Having a golden generation from your own academy is rare, and much more so with consecutive classes.
Beside TAA, who else Klopp made a mainstay in Liverpool starting line up. There was a time Pep was youth development guru during his Barcelona and Bayern time, then he went to City and turned full chequebook.
Foden is only one that is really breaking into starting line up.
That post means to portray the relation of academy pathway to first team. It doesn't count external signing like Antony, who is very young, too. There is always local lads preference, more so for club like Ajax with their prize academy. Fans will always have different opinion to professional who need certain thing from outward average players.
Back to Poch, beside Kane what other academy player that really made his name as starters? Winks is not starter, and from what I heard, many Spurs fans see him as rubbish player. The young squad Poch got during his best year at Tottenham was the result of external recruitment. He put his touch on their final development to top level, but they're mostly already first team players even at lower level, like Dele Alli, Davinson Sanchez. Poch had a bunch of young players signed and flop. The hyped English Messi, Marcus Edward never broke through with them under Poch...
Signing young players then integrating them into the team is a great skill itself, but it's not something out of the world. Even Conte can develope Bastoni, Barella, Hakimi. Pep flexed with money throughout his career for these external young player signings.
If anything that post sound assuring to me that this Pep Guardiola is my idol has some sense in him, that he wouldn't be all about vibe, and just promoting youth for the sake of it. An idealist is tolerable, but not a madman with zero sense of reality.
I actually agree, I just found it funny how ten Hag went from being a really great to appointment to basically he's going to have the exact same issues as Solskjaer in the span of 24 hours.I think we should've learnt by now to take the words of other fans more seriously.
Ten Hag will need to develop and improve his squad rotation, which is a complaint I've heard from several Ajax fans. The club will also have to adapt to him and understand what he needs to succeed.
I'm impressed how quickly SadCafe have managed to flip this into bad news.
Matic is not an experienced player, in this context, he is way past his expiration date to play at top level. Ronaldo may have some juice left in him, on his best day, but not the age / form of the player anybody should be using in a rebuild project.
Who's saying that? I wouldn't think it has anything to do with it. It's not announced yet because it's probably not all finished yet. And when it's finished, it will be announced. The man has a day job, after all, negotiations have to take place in his spare time.One thing I don't understand is we're supposedly holding off the announcement out of respect for Ajax who are still locked in a tight title race. Yet by the end of next week nothing will have changed, so what difference does it make announcing it then instead of now? Or are they just waiting for their cup final with PSV to be played out just as an arbitrary checkpoint for when its acceptable to make it official?
A summary of Ten Hag's playing style and philosophy:
* The fundamental, unyielding starting point is the strategic principle. This consists of a specific set of key playing patterns that are the core focus of training sessions and are drilled into the players to become automatic and intuitive.
* Team formations, types of players and playing styles are all subject to this strategic principle. If the game calls for a deep striker, he will play a deep striker. if it needs a false nine, he'll play a false nine. The central tenet is that it doesn't matter who you play in which position, as long as that player knows their patterns and the strategic principle. This allows for flexibility while still retaining a recognisable style that is intuitive for the players.
* Strategic principle key patterns breakdown:
i. Outnumber your opponent in midfield . This can be achieved either by moving up your central defender(s) (e.g. De Jong, Timber at Ajax), dropping back your central forward (e.g. Tadic) or have your wingers roam freely (e.g. Ziyech, Berghuis).
ii. Positional changes in attack. A central theme of the 'Dutch School' and long practiced at Ajax, but modernised by Ten Hag.
iii. Don't overuse the wide spaces. The old Ajax philosophy was to have the wingers glued to the sidelines in order to make rushes and provide crosses into the sixteen yard box. Under Ten Hag, the wingers and backs instead work in tandem. If one moves in, the other moves out, and vice versa. This creates a dilemma for the opposing defenders: do I stick with my opponent or do I guard the space?
iiii. Ball possession is a means, not a goal. Movement off the ball is just as important. The key is to identify promising movements by your forwards in order to launch them into free spaces behind the opponent's defence.
iiiii. During an attack all players, regardless of their 'normal' position on the pitch, must anticipate loss of possession. This translates into having 3-4 players behind the ball at all times, e.g. by having an attacker drop back when a defender is actively involved in an attack higher up the pitch.
iiiiii. Collective pressing on the opponent in all lines when loss of possession occurs.
iiiiiii. If pressing fails, focus on defending the sixteen yard box, even if this means falling back and opening up the wings. this ensures players are able to regroup quickly and cover key areas, to minimise counter attack success.
iiiiiiii. The central axis is key. force the opponents to use the wings and smother them there.
iiiiiiiii. Keep the distances between the lines short. When attacking, defenders are very high up the pitch. When defending, attackers are back in their own half. It allows for quick positional shifts and short, speedy passing.
iiiiiiiiii. Defensively, zonal marking is strongly preferred over man marking. This avoids players being dragged out of position.
* Preferred formation: 4-2-3-1.
* Ten Hag adjusts his playing style to best fit the specific skill sets of his players. As long as the players adhere to the strategic principles, the automatic patterns, there can be a lot of flexibility in playing style and it is easy to make adjustments to compensate for injuries or to fit in new players.
* Players must know exactly what to do when switching from attacking to defensive play during loss of possession. Key is to smother the lost ball early and cut off passing lines of play in order to win the ball back quickly.
* Most glaring defensive weakness: by pressurising the ball and forcing the opponent wide, Ten Hag's teams allow large open spaces to form in other areas of the pitch. If an opponent successfully avoids being smothered or cut off, suddenly the way to the goal is wide open.
Great insight and most of this is true (I watched around 10 Ajax games under him, mostly in CL). But I did try to inform from different sites and articles.
I think there are some things that are potentially dangerous or misinformed.
- He actually doesn't force or promote youth that much. At least, not to the extent it is believed around here. Yes, he will push once in a lifetime generation of De Ligt, De Jong, etc, but that was more of an exception;
- He is regarded as a bit naive at times as he will force to attack even when his team is being in a comfortable position leaving gaps behind (Spurs CL home game for example). This could be costly as usually, trophy-winning managers are the opposite of this;
- He doesn't rotate much which can be a big problem in EPL being the most demanding league
However, when it clicks his football is absolutely mesmerizing. He will commit to his style even if it means we will suffer in the beginning, but fans need to be patient. One thing is certain, he really is the most attractive manager to go for.
Some good info but with regards the rotation, do the scousers really rotate that much? Doesn't seem to affect them as their players seem to be a lot fitter than ours and also look like they want to play for their manager.
Great insight and most of this is true (I watched around 10 Ajax games under him, mostly in CL). But I did try to inform from different sites and articles.
I think there are some things that are potentially dangerous or misinformed.
- He actually doesn't force or promote youth that much. At least, not to the extent it is believed around here. Yes, he will push once in a lifetime generation of De Ligt, De Jong, etc, but that was more of an exception;
- He is regarded as a bit naive at times as he will force to attack even when his team is being in a comfortable position leaving gaps behind (Spurs CL home game for example). This could be costly as usually, trophy-winning managers are the opposite of this;
- He doesn't rotate much which can be a big problem in EPL being the most demanding league
However, when it clicks his football is absolutely mesmerizing. He will commit to his style even if it means we will suffer in the beginning, but fans need to be patient. One thing is certain, he really is the most attractive manager to go for.
Unless we sign 2-3 quality midfielders in one go, we absolutely must keep maticCan't argue with that.
Although... if you look at Matic cameo appearances, he still got a very good footballing brain. Couldn't we keep him as an impact sub ?
I'm wondering if they will force him to play marquee players that get bought for commercial reasons.Big question is will the club support him and be tough with some players
I am wondering will they force him to "protect" value of some players and club's tradition regarding academy players.I'm wondering if they will force him to play marquee players that get bought for commercial reasons.
I am wondering will they force him to "protect" value of some players and club's tradition regarding academy players.
Maguire and AWB were payed 130 mil. We can't get half for them so will they push him to play them?
McT is nowhere near good enough for playing in his system but he is from academy and our tradition is to have couple of players from academy.
Rashford is club's project but how long ETH can wait for him to discover his old form?
Ronaldo is on huge salary and our biggest star (by name).
Those 5 players could be a problem for ETH.
I think Grant, Lingard, Pogba, Cavani. Might be missing another. Mata?How many players are officially leaving on a free?
I think Grant, Lingard, Pogba, Cavani. Might be missing another. Mata?
Id take it with a pinch of salt. If ETH says a player can go Im sure wed sell.
There's also a lot of players still under contract who just aren't good enough, or have the right work ethic
They literally just sit around thinking what stories they can make up that’ll cause the most fecking moaning don’t they?
Chong’s contract isn’t up this summer so he’s already contradicted himself the stupid melon.
Christ. Here we go again fellas.
What's the point of Rangnick/Fletcher/Murtough again? We're going nowhere fast.
