Poch had better result since taken over from Tuchel in that season and if Pochettino was in charge of that season from the beginning, he could have won it. Tuchel has more blame in failing to win the same league as poch did. But then again, we saw how tuchel is doing at Chelsea, so it can only strengthen the argument to go for poch. Walking ligue 1 is an accomplishment because it is more competitive than the Eredevisie, Portuguese league and other second tier league in Europe.
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Look at the Ajax team from 2019. Many were highly rated but not many have done much since leaving Ajax. Many have flopped.
I am pretty sure their PPG tally for that season is the exact same or very very similar.
Pochettino bottled winning the league last season.
It doesn't matter who the next coach is. The club is so hypnotized by the star players that the second they want shot of the coach he'll be out. It'll be two decent years then collapse all over. Dunno what people are expecting. I reckon 8th place is a realistic expectation regardless of the manager.
Until the snakepit is cleared out no manager can succeed.
Can you stop spreading these half-truths. The Dutch league isn't weaker than the French league - the reason Ajax are 2 points ahead of PSG (despite a GD of +66) is because PSV are also having a fantastic season. PSG on the other hand have a free run in their league (and yet Poch still managed to feck that up last season). And you talk about Poch like he's been a hit at PSG - news flash - they play shit football, he's got the worst win percentage out of any recent manager there, he isn't really controlling the egos and their fans want him out. You need to tame this bizarre Poch fetish, its getting embarrassing at this point.
You might have a decent point here, but would that really be an issue since Rangnick would essentially be serving the same role as Mitchell anyway? I mean that is the whole point of why we got Rangnick in a consultancy role isn't it? In my opinion most managers tend to be less talented at recruiting talent than a Director of Football or a scouting team whose whole purpose is to discover and recommend the best potential signings for their team, so this isn't unique to Poch and I think you could throw the exact same accusations at ETH since Ajax certainly has some of the best recruitment infrastructure in the entire world.
Liverpool were looking shit until Klopp came in though.
An amazing manager changes things.
We haven't had 1 since SAF.
But we do have loads of problems. It's not 1 singular issue. It never was.
As stated and even Netherlands supports on here will state as well, the Eredevisie is a weak league. Psv biggest signing only cost £1m and they have been plagued with injuries. Having the same ppg isn't a positive for eth in a league so poor. He should have a significant higher ppg. Poch had better result than tuchel when he took over, so he didn't bottle it. You can't blame poch and not blame tuchel as well who had a poorer result in that season
I'm talking about Tuchel and Poch having the same PPG in 20-21 Ligue 1. Pochettino came in and PSG were probably only 3 points behind Lille. Go and check.
I didn't talk about Ten Hag and Poch.
Btw, Ten Hag has clearly been better than Pochettino this season. It's not even close who's had the better managerial season.
I mean, the Eredivisie is miles worse than the French league. The real difference is the best 3-5 teams in the Eredivisie are of a closer standard than the best teams in Ligue 1, where PSG are absolutely miles ahead of the rest (with the exception of last season). All teams below the top 5 in the Eredivise are really dross, whereas there are a lot of teams in the bottom half of Ligue 1 that have some gems spread amongst their weaker players. I'd fancy the likes of Bordeaux, Metz and St Etienne to have a good chance against Vitesse who are 6th in the Eredivisie on 41 points.
You are a Dutch supporter? A Dutch supported commented on my post awhile ago and agreed that the Eredevisie is at the weakest in has been. How do they play shite football? They only second to city to most possession and have a high xpg ratio. The French league is a physically demanding league and there are occassion where they didn't play well, but when you watch the likes of verratti, Messi, parades, neymar and mbappe play, you see some swagger and brilliant interplay. You will be more accurate with your post if you say they had shite finishing because that has been their downfall the whole season. And once again tuchel fecked up the league much more than poch last season
Klopp was empowered by the Liverpool board. He was able to decide the shape of his squad.
Liverpool didn't extend contracts of players Klopp didn't want to extend value. When Coutinho wanted out they didn't offer him £400k a week cos he was their star player.
You can't expect any coach to have the Klopp impact at United, cos the coach won't have Klopp power. At United the job of the coach is to babysit the star players, not make demands of them and drive them on.
Even if we get the right coach, as long as the players know they can down tools and get him sacked he will never command them. His tactics, methods, they won't be stuff they have to do. They'll be stuff they can do if they feel like it.
The whole dynamic of the club has to change for us to be successful.
Yes, but ETH was Manager and DOF at Utrecht were he basically turned a bottom tier team into a Europa League team on negative net spend. You can read more down below.
As for Ragnick, I'm not sure what his role is. So far our structure is just being implemented and unlike the one at Spurs is just being turned online. I'd rather have a manager who knows how to be a Dof if necessary and what's required, than one that needs a 100% stable structure to coach his team.
ETH has shown he can keep Ajax competitive at European level despite losing his best players and doing small rebuilds almost on an annual basis.
Any manager can stumble upon a winning formula but a good manager can change it up and remain competitive when that winning formula no longer works or is taken away.
Any manager can stumble upon a winning formula but a good manager can change it up and remain competitive when that winning formula no longer works or is taken away.
If tuchel and poch had the same ppg, how is poch to blame for the league last season and not tuchel? Pochettino had more victories and just a overview of the games they played showed that. If poch in charge in the beginning of the season and tuchel came in, would you say poch or tuchel bottle the league if the same result happened?
Eth has not been better than poch this season. Poch is walking the league and eth is struggling in a very weak league. Eth lost to an underdog in benefica as well. So, I don't know how eth is better this season.
After tonight I'm all in on Simeone. I don't care about his style I just care he gets maximum effort from his players and he wins
Christ that’s all I need to top the last few years. Pandemic. War. Simeone. FML
We're not winning anything any time soon. May as well at least play some decent, entertaining football, which would not happen with Simeone in charge.
By that token Graham Potter should be in with a shout. Take a look at his CV prior to Brighton. Plus he's displayed that he can get a really beloe average squad to more than hold their own in the PL, possibly being one of the better teams to watch in fact.
No manager can sort this shite out.
Tbh, whoever it is, I would prefer we get them in immediately, whether it's Poch, ETH or other. I don't want the manager starting in the summer because then they won't have enough time to figure out who fits their structure and who doesn't and we won't be able to make the signings we need. This would mean basically writing off next season before it even begins unless the very unlikely scenario of all our players adopting to the new managers philosophy immediately occurs. The season is over, get in the new manager now and pay whatever's needed ffs. If you want the best manager go and pay the money to get whoever you think that is. We can write this season off. Knowing it will probably be a tough start, we might lose but at least there's no pressure attached. Everybody realistically knows top 4 is impossible withstanding a comical collapse by Arsenal. This is when you want the teething process to occur, because make no mistake, pressure will be on immediately at the start of next season. People can say what they want now but 90% of the fanbase will want us challenging for the title again by August.
So it really it is a no brainer that it has to be Potter now as he is the only one that never flecked up in Europe!
you might be the most biased person on this site when it comes to Poch
it's between you and that bloke who thinks everyone else in the world has an agenda against Harry Maguire
Should watch the Tuchel situation but not getting any sense he wants to leave Chelsea
Both Pochettino and Ten Hag go out in CL, the two coaches being considered by United. United just cannot win at anything at the moment.
Judging from the posts in this thread people were expecting our new manager to be someone who wins the CL this season?
Blame that bloody Toy Story puppet for costing us Klopp, will never forgive him for that adult version of Disneyland garbage
Just knew I would come in here tonight and find this comment. Simone is the definition of anti football and that second half from them was a disgrace. If that's what we would have to watch each week, I would rather give up watching football. Mourinho was bad enough but Simone is on another level of shithousery and I don't want him anywhere near us.
Utd's DNA is winning only by playing great football that entertains the crowd to make them happy after a hard week's work. It's the reason the club was founded. It's never winning at all costs, less possession than the opposition or defensive, counter attacking football. No to Mourinho, Conte, Tuchel, Poch and definitely no to Simeone. If you don't understand that why support this club? Support a club with a permenant underdog character, no matter how big they now are, like Atletico, Chelsea, Inter Milan, PSG, Arsenal, Everton or City who fans accept and revel in winning at any price.
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The only positive I can take out of this week is it may speed up the process of us getting a new manager as both the favorites are going to have time for an interview now. We don't play for another 2 1/2 weeks, so the process may move forward now.
With squad United have, I think managers like Ancelotti, Conte, Zidane are more suited.
Or ETH/Poch but judge him in his 3rd seasons with completely new players bar one or two max in the starting 11.
Or ETH/Poch but judge him in his 3rd seasons with completely new players bar one or two max in the starting 11.
Mancini has the balls needed for this and should seriously be considered
He isn't shiny and new, but United need to clear out the bulk of the squad. He, I think, should be able to do it. After him for two or three years, a shiny new toy.
Surely we can grab Ten Hag now, he finishes the season in Netherlands and comes.
A coin toss is much better than someone whose limit you already know, we need to work to break into that top two and eventually win the lot but I feel that Pochettino didn't grow from the time he was a promising manager into what he could have been, now he is strumming the same pragmatic dog shit you see from other journeyman managers. United need to catch up with modern styles of play.
The squad is getting gutted and dismantled. It doesn't matter who this current bunch of jokers suit.
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