Next permanent manager | Poll updated

Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%

  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%

  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%

  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%
  • Total voters
    1,534
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AjaxCunian said:
I watch both academies and United have similar gems.

Laird, Mejbri, Mainoo, Forson, Shoretire, Hansen, potentially Elango would all be massive at Ajax. Main difference is that Rensch, Timber, Gravenberch receive playing time and at United we give Mata, Jones, etc new contracts.
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I feel that Ole is under pressure to win silverware this season, so to me that is why he consistently has players like Mata, Matic, Lingard etc on the bench, as they have the experience and ability to get something out of games, whereas with young players, they are learning as they play, so may not be consistent, but I felt last season that we missed many opportunities to put the youngsters on the bench, and give them 10/15/20 minutes at the end of a match.
I think Ole may rue the fact that he regularly gives places on the bench to players who realistically have no future with the club.
 
The Hilton said:
Chelsea won the EL because he'd dropped them down there, and Lampard did a great job in that first season with youth players. He's absolutely a short term pick, and would be Mou at United 2.0
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There's absolutely nothing similar between Conte and current Mourinho. This is just what I'm talking about when I say people here invent narrative about Conte. You just convinced yourself he's a defensive coach who leaves teams in shambles after he leaves, without a single basis on that and any evidence mentioned to prove otherwise you just disregard it to prove the imaginary narrative in your mind. Basically what everyone here does when it comes to Conte, not just you.

His Chelsea side who won the league were the second highest scoring team that season with 85, his Inter Milan side who won the league were also the second highest scoring team that season with 89, but nah, he's a defensive coach who plays shit football that doesn't suit United. The teams he managed all performed well immediately after he left but nah, he leaves teams in shambles after he leaves.

No matter what you and some here simply made your mind about an imaginary manager other than the one the rest of the world watched last few years and convinced yourself this is the real Conte.
 
Jibbs said:
I want the circus to end right now. And I think Zidane is not the right man to take over, Conte is.
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I’d stop watching if Conte got the job. He’s awful. Yes, he may win things but at too high a cost.
 
el3mel said:
There's absolutely nothing similar between Conte and current Mourinho. This is just what I'm talking about when I say people here invent narrative about Conte. You just convinced yourself he's a defensive coach who leaves teams in shambles after he leaves, without a single basis on that and any evidence mentioned to prove otherwise you just disregard it to prove the imaginary narrative in your mind. Basically what everyone here does when it comes to Conte, not just you.

His Chelsea side who won the league were the second highest scoring team that season with 85, his Inter Milan side who won the league were also the second highest scoring team that season with 89, but nah, he's a defensive coach who plays shit football that doesn't suit United. The teams he managed all performed well immediately after he left but nah, he leaves teams in shambles after he leaves.

No matter what you and some here simply made your mind about an imaginary manager other than the one the rest of the world watched last few years and convinced yourself this is the real Conte.
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Look you keep writing essays that argue against points I haven't made.

I'm not calling him defensive, and I agree that we'll get one brilliant league season out of him (likely nowhere in Europe though). However, based on his history, it will be at the cost of him falling out with players, and the board, and him leaving after a couple of seasons under a cloud with us having to rebuild after.
 
Absolutely shocking to see people wanting Conte :lol: some of you have learned nothing.

Wanting the "circus" to end, and then wanting a one man circus to take over. Make it make sense.
 
el3mel said:
There's absolutely nothing similar between Conte and current Mourinho. This is just what I'm talking about when I say people here invent narrative about Conte. You just convinced yourself he's a defensive coach who leaves teams in shambles after he leaves, without a single basis on that and any evidence mentioned to prove otherwise you just disregard it to prove the imaginary narrative in your mind. Basically what everyone here does when it comes to Conte, not just you.

His Chelsea side who won the league were the second highest scoring team that season with 85, his Inter Milan side who won the league were also the second highest scoring team that season with 89, but nah, he's a defensive coach who plays shit football that doesn't suit United. The teams he managed all performed well immediately after he left but nah, he leaves teams in shambles after he leaves.

No matter what you and some here simply made your mind about an imaginary manager other than the one the rest of the world watched last few years and convinced yourself this is the real Conte.
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Mourinho managed Real Madrid to a record goals scored total. Does that mean they were better to watch than Guardiola’s side?

Conte only seems to play 3-5-2. We’ve invested heavily in AWB who wouldn’t be a good fit for that formation while we also have Sancho who wouldn’t really suit a role in that formation. Potentially we’d have Rashford, Greenwood, Ronaldo, Cavani and Martial to play as the two strikers with Bruno behind. Maybe Dalot would be first choice RWB.

Personally, I think Brendan Rodgers or Graham Potter in the short term would be decent options. I’m not sure there are a ton of managers around who are knocking on the door of a big club. Nagelsmann said obviously just joined Bayern and Rose has gone to Dortmund.

Whoever we go for it would have to be some sort of gamble.
 
The Hilton said:
Look you keep writing essays that argue against points I haven't made.

I'm not calling him defensive, and I agree that we'll get one brilliant league season out of him (likely nowhere in Europe though). However, based on his history, it will be at the cost of him falling out with players, and the board, and him leaving after a couple of seasons under a cloud with us having to rebuild after.
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As I said I don't give a shit about him not staying more than 2-3 seasons. You seem to not understand that the current squad has a lot of players who are +26 and pretty much all our best players are around 28 or above. They need to win something during the next 2 seasons otherwise we'll start a rebuild 4 years from now. I don't give a shit about future at the moment. Present is more important.

Also, as long as he leaves a solid team to his successor, how many years he stays doesn't matter. Enough with thinking about managers who stay for +5 years. I only care about the success circle going on regardless of it happening under one manager or ten. As long as we're successful I don't care how many years our manager stays. Even if he came for only one year and left immediately after, I don't give a shit as long as he wins in this year and the next manager finds a strong team to also win with it.

I don't know when United fans will stop being obsessed with long term and managers staying for many years. This isn't important at all. As a club you should have a proper structure and managers just go and leave. How cares really ?

Finally, what's the point of him falling with the board, seriously ? Don't people here keep moaning about the board not supporting the team ? Wouldn't they like a manager pressing the board consistently for more support and more players ?

Especially considering that, again, Conte never lets his problems with the board affect his own team's performance on the pitch. He was moaning non stop about Inter's transfer business and they still won the league. The problem with Mourinho, and always has been, that once he gets into problems with the board or players, he loses all focus and doesn't concentrate on training or coaching his team anymore, hence the team collapses. Conte is different, he knows how to separate his problems with the board from his actual job with the players on the pitch. He can moan all the season but he'll never slack off or not try to do the best he can with the tools he has even if he thinks they're not good enough. So him falling with the board won't be a problem for us, just like it wasn't a problem with Inter.
 
I don't really care. I don't think experienced guarantees success, equally I don't think 'might be a Zidane' is anything other than the footballing equivalent spending your last £20 a week before pay day on scratchcards and hoping for the best on the basis that Terry from number 47 won £200 last week so "might happen to us".

I just want someone to have a go. Take the job by the balls and try and do things their way live and die by that. Attacking football, defensive - disciplinarian or pouring the lads shots in the nightclub. I couldn't give a toss. My footballing palate isn't so narrow that unless it looks like a Pep wet dream I'm going to cross my arms and complain. But we need someone else.
 
He is unlikely to be sacked this season, let's hope the board are sensible enough to be sounding out an upcoming manager over this season to succeed him. But as I said earlier, I fear City will be looking for a new manager too.
 
The thought of conte is just horrible. People jump on whichever name becomes fashionable in the media. We might as well bring back LVG.

Conte coming in is back to tumescent football sitting back and trying to counter home or away. 5 at the back with a very defensive set up. No doubt fans will be asking for him to be sacked 3 months later.
 
sparx99 said:
Mourinho managed Real Madrid to a record goals scored total. Does that mean they were better to watch than Guardiola’s side?

Conte only seems to play 3-5-2. We’ve invested heavily in AWB who wouldn’t be a good fit for that formation while we also have Sancho who wouldn’t really suit a role in that formation. Potentially we’d have Rashford, Greenwood, Ronaldo, Cavani and Martial to play as the two strikers with Bruno behind. Maybe Dalot would be first choice RWB.

Personally, I think Brendan Rodgers or Graham Potter in the short term would be decent options. I’m not sure there are a ton of managers around who are knocking on the door of a big club. Nagelsmann said obviously just joined Bayern and Rose has gone to Dortmund.

Whoever we go for it would have to be some sort of gamble.
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I never said that Conte is generally a fully offensive or high pressing manager. I'm saying he's not as defensive as people are making him out to be. His teams are just organized and balanced pretty well, they know how to defend as a team, but they're also capable of passing well, creating chances and attacking. He doesn't park the bus.

And yeah, the Mourinho who managed Real Madrid in that season was great, actually similar to current Conte, builds his team on organized and balanced way, not overly attacking but at the same time isn't 100% negative in every match like people were also making it out to be. The problem with Mourinho is he became more and more negative the older he got. The current Mourinho isn't the same Mourinho from 2004-2012 period.
 
Erik ten Haag would be the dream, his ajax team plays beautifully and I thing he can replicate it here.
 
I hope we avoid hiring managers who don't suit our style of play, as this prolongs the rebuild and render our progress pointless. That for me rules on Simeone and Conte, who by all means are great managers.
 
PoTMS said:
Potter is twice the manager Solskjaer is.
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He may be, but still I don't think he'll be good enough.

We are competing against 3 of top 5 managers in the world IMO. Could say pretty much anyone would be an improvement on Ole but that doesn't mean we should take anyone. Our aim should be to find the next Klopp/Pep/Tuchel.
 
Potter would be an interesting choice. People opposing it is probably the same bunch who wanted us to hire Mourinho.
 
Adnan said:
From my understanding of it, from what's in the public domain. Solskjaer came in as a caretaker manager and the club were looking for a permanent solution at the time. But as we all know the results improved and they gave Solskjaer the job fulltime. I don't believe he was a serious consideration but his appointment has helped us to stabilize the club which was important imo.

And if i'm not mistaken, Bout, Lawlor and Court were added to a newly formed transfer committee in 2018 during Mourinho's tenure as manager which gave our recruitment staff power in who we recruit. Which reportedly didn't go down well with Mourinho who some say went into self sabotage mode. And Bout imo is also our most experienced coach even if he's employed as the head of global scouting currently. He's worked as a coach under LVG and Jupp Heynckes who requested to keep Bout after Bayern sacked LVG. So I believe the recruitment team will have a huge influence on appointing a new head coach.
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Cheers, that gives some hope if Ole were to leave.
 
el3mel said:
As I said I don't give a shit about him not staying more than 2-3 seasons. You seem to not understand that the current squad has a lot of players who are +26 and pretty much all our best players are around 28 or above. They need to win something during the next 2 seasons otherwise we'll start a rebuild 4 years from now. I don't give a shit about future at the moment. Present is more important.

Also, as long as he leaves a solid team to his successor, how many years he stays doesn't matter. Enough with thinking about managers who stay for +5 years. I only care about the success circle going on regardless of it happening under one manager or ten. As long as we're successful I don't care how many years our manager stays. Even if he came for only one year and left immediately after, I don't give a shit as long as he wins in this year and the next manager finds a strong team to also win with it.

I don't know when United fans will stop being obsessed with long term and managers staying for many years. This isn't important at all. As a club you should have a proper structure and managers just go and leave. How cares really ?

Finally, what's the point of him falling with the board, seriously ? Don't people here keep moaning about the board not supporting the team ? Wouldn't they like a manager pressing the board consistently for more support and more players ?

Especially considering that, again, Conte never lets his problems with the board affect his own team's performance on the pitch. He was moaning non stop about Inter's transfer business and they still won the league. The problem with Mourinho, and always has been, that once he gets into problems with the board or players, he loses all focus and doesn't concentrate on training or coaching his team anymore, hence the team collapses. Conte is different, he knows how to separate his problems with the board from his actual job with the players on the pitch. He can moan all the season but he'll never slack off or not try to do the best he can with the tools he has even if he thinks they're not good enough. So him falling with the board won't be a problem for us, just like it wasn't a problem with Inter.
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Look dude you're clearly more emotionally invested in this than I am, I just don't think Conte is a good choice.

Long term thinking is about more than the manager. Look at City, bringing in a bunch of similar managers until they could get pep. Similar with Bayern, who bring in managers of a certain way of thinking.

Conte will be destructive in his pursuit of success, as he was with Chelsea, and we'd have to hope the inevitable meltdown comes before the players down tools and drop us out of the top 4.
 
Sarni said:
Not sure this is true. We would need to change the shape of the team quite substantially, his style is awful and he is an extremely short term option anyway. There are much better options out there.
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I'd take short term honestly if he squeezed even 90% potential out of this squad. We'd absolutely clean up with manager that knows how to use it.
 
AjaxCunian said:
I watch both academies and United have similar gems.

Laird, Mejbri, Mainoo, Forson, Shoretire, Hansen, potentially Elango would all be massive at Ajax. Main difference is that Rensch, Timber, Gravenberch receive playing time and at United we give Mata, Jones, etc new contracts.
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Yes sadly we do.
 
red woppit said:
I feel that Ole is under pressure to win silverware this season, so to me that is why he consistently has players like Mata, Matic, Lingard etc on the bench, as they have the experience and ability to get something out of games, whereas with young players, they are learning as they play, so may not be consistent, but I felt last season that we missed many opportunities to put the youngsters on the bench, and give them 10/15/20 minutes at the end of a match.
I think Ole may rue the fact that he regularly gives places on the bench to players who realistically have no future with the club.
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Matic has his use at times, Mata, Lingard en Jones not so much I'd say.

Even Dalot and AWB are poor players if you ask me with a few specific qualities. I don't know why a Laird can get a chance if the competition is of that standard.
 
croadyman said:
Someone who can cope better with adversity in games whether that's injury to 2 key players or a red card
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Injury to two players had nothing to do with today’s performance considering that both Lindelof and Dalot played better than Maguire and Shaw.
 
The Hilton said:
In my opinion Ole has earned this season to see if he can take us to the top level. If not, then we need to bring in a manager to build on the progress he's made, rather than falling in to the same short term thinking trap that gave us Mourinho and a 3 season rebuilding job after he left.
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youmeletsfly said:
Ten Haag or Peter Bosz, Lyon and Ajax play proper football.
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Don't think any of those will happen. We'll stick with Ole till it's impossible not to and we'll go for the most reputed manager we can get our hands on.
 
The Hilton said:
In my opinion Ole has earned this season to see if he can take us to the top level.
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This is part of what seperated United from other big clubs. They don't think managers have earned anything, let alone an almost full season to see how he does. Especially when he's been with the club for over two years by then. They are able to identify from his work whether he's good enough or right for the job, period. And if he's not, he's out. They won't decide in September to wait until the end fo the season.

United's board don't have the people who will see that and I doubt whether the football people we have to the club, including the DOF, have the power to go to the board and tell them they need to replace the manager.
 
bonothom said:
People actually suggesting the Brighton manager? Laughable.
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Said with the grandiose and misplaced authority of somebody who evidently doesn’t watch Brighton nor follow Potter’s system closely.

Potter is levels above Solskjaer as a football coach. The likes of him and Rodgers encourage positive football and eke every last ounce of talent out of their players, something our management and coaching setup has failed - and continues to fail - at.
 
Buchan said:
Said with the grandiose and misplaced authority of somebody who evidently doesn’t watch Brighton nor follow Potter’s system closely.

Potter is levels above Solskjaer as a football coach. The likes of him and Rodgers encourage positive football and eke every last ounce of talent out of their players, something our management and coaching setup has failed - and continues to fail - at.
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Our manager admitted himself he doesn't coach players at all, neither does Phelan. He isn't even a coach. All of the coaching is done by rookie coaches Carrick and McKenna. At a premier league giant... Ole is just a 'man manager'.
 
Buchan said:
Said with the grandiose and misplaced authority of somebody who evidently doesn’t watch Brighton nor follow Potter’s system closely.

Potter is levels above Solskjaer as a football coach. The likes of him and Rodgers encourage positive football and eke every last ounce of talent out of their players, something our management and coaching setup has failed - and continues to fail - at.
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Potter did a great job with Östersund (a skiing town) in northern Sweden and took them to EL. He is a great young coach. Can he cope with the pressure? He knows the league but Zidane has more European experience.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Don't think any of those will happen. We'll stick with Ole till it's impossible not to and we'll go for the most reputed manager we can get our hands on.
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Bosz hasnt won anything either though and is more kamikaze and naive compared to Ten Hag.

But would have us playing infinitely better football than Ole, in 3 weeks and not 3 years.

Only Ole makes fans believe that it takes so long to implement a brand of football.

Some even belief that there are no such things as brands of football or we can't see it or we're just being hipsters!
 
With Varane and Ronaldo there as well i think Zidane could do better right now.

I don't see the club sacking Ole until the season has ended and long term I don't think Zidane fits. Ole seems to be the work in progress manager and progress is quite slow and steady. We do risk falling back if we start just throwing names in, we've sadly missed the boat on Tuchel and any manager coming in faces probably three of the best managers in the world at our rival clubs.
 
We need a proven manager for this squad.

Ancelotti, Klopp, Pep types. Not many of them around that are available or attainable either.

Seeing as Pep is leaving next season surely it's worth approaching him?

The fact we'd back him in the market might be enough if he likes living in England. I doubt he has that much loyalty to City to reject us.
 
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