I think part of the draw with him is that his ceiling is unknown. We have seen what Pochettino can do in England and he is rated/not rated accordingly. The same goes for various other managers. We know their level and can predict with a bit of confidence how they might fare. Ten Hag represents something that is untarnished in many ways. An element of fantasy. At least until he has an opportunity in England or at a higher level than Ajax anyway.
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Yes please he takes no nonsense, would love him here.
He's keen is he? Well that's nice. But what the feck has he got to do with it?
I know it's probably horseshit and just Sky being Sky.
I would have assumed there was no chance he'd leave Spain before the WC but if he was available he'd tick pretty much every box. His teams play excellent football and he's won trophies at the highest level.
Why can't he manage Spain and United? Genuine question. I think it could be done for a year then he leaves Spain to take sole charge of United.
We could've had Conte by now. Instead we're stuck with Carrick and his iPad for God knows how long, and he's probably gonna be replaced by Rodgers or fecking Poch.
Really tough being a United fan at the moment.
Really tough being a United fan at the moment.
Yep, I’d be more than happy with this appointment if it was possible.
I guess. Any idea who the last manager to work a duel role like that at high profile teams was though?
Hiddink?
Hiddink, but that was due Abramovic connection with Russian FA.
He's retired.
Job is far too high profile for that in my opinion. Scrutiny he would get if he didn't start well would be immense.
I would be extremely surprised if Luis Enrique was actually willing to leave the Spanish national team.
Wouldn't he get that sort of scrutiny anyway?
I don't think we wanted him anyway. He would wait for us if he was contacted
It wasn't a suggestion I was responding to a question.
He wants to win. If that benefits him then it will benefit us as well.
I think simeone would be a good shout. Proven success and a no nonsense character.
I know it would break the bank to get him, but united have shown again and again they are not afraid to spend big.
Genuinely can't see how Carrick is an improvement over Ole. I think by appointing Carrick temp manager you have thrown away top 4 finish this season.
I know it would break the bank to get him, but united have shown again and again they are not afraid to spend big.
Genuinely can't see how Carrick is an improvement over Ole. I think by appointing Carrick temp manager you have thrown away top 4 finish this season.
I think it will be Pochettino in the summer. Don't want Poch though, another loser
Too confrontational and doesn't play the right way for the club. Terrible fit.
Sorry?Tuchel and Klopp came from Germany….There’s no comparison between the bundesliga and the Dutch league….
Ronaldo's at the wheel.
We saw what Pochettino acheived with limited financial resources at Tottenham….Could Guardiola or Klopp have acheived more at Tottenham than Pochettino?I seriously doubt it….Give Pochettino financial backing and he can achieve so much more at United….The Dutch league is provably just a level above the Scottish league,that’s how bad it is!I think a lot of folks are over rating Ten Hag massively….
Some one who knows football please and knows tactics and won something big before. Of course this should be our standards now?
No Poch
No Rodgers
No more try and wish for something new
We need here a proven winner and a man with football knowledge.
Many ways we need to try and try hard and throw good money on the right brain
Ten Hag
Enrique
Zidane
In that order.
No Poch
No Rodgers
No more try and wish for something new
We need here a proven winner and a man with football knowledge.
Many ways we need to try and try hard and throw good money on the right brain
Ten Hag
Enrique
Zidane
In that order.
It already is Ronaldo FC. Welcome to the circus
I’d vastly prefer Enrique to Zidane, Poch, Ten Hag et al, seems like s as proper appointment… which of course means we won’t do it.
Enrique would be class, although WC next year makes me think that just is not going to happen.
What is the use of appointing an interim manager? The new guy will start the season with the deadwood and the under performers and unaware where the money needs to go or how good the youth players are. While he figures it out everyone else is pulling away. Long term manager now. feck the expense.
Ten hag will leave ajax. They have never held on to anybody when the money is offered. The squads they have allowed to be dismantled is astonishing. Ajax are a selling club and they know it. If we want ten hag then we will get him. Who ever the next target is they have to come now. The building blocks have to be in place for next season.
Ten hag will leave ajax. They have never held on to anybody when the money is offered. The squads they have allowed to be dismantled is astonishing. Ajax are a selling club and they know it. If we want ten hag then we will get him. Who ever the next target is they have to come now. The building blocks have to be in place for next season.
Your TLDR was too long.This is long, but the takeaway is that we should hire a fashionable young hipster coach right now for the rest of the year, someone who won't turn it down because the job is just too exciting to turn down and will back themselves to do it.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/next-manager-odds-for-2002.467165/
This thread reminded me that if we can't get Pep or Klopp, it's as likely that someone logical like Rodgers or Ten Hag looks like a terrible appointment in a few years.
Here's what I wrote in 2014 on this forum:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/van...u-about-this-appointment.391013/post-15717637
Looking back, any of Klopp, Simeone or Rodgers would have been much better than what we'd done but I think everyone wanted Klopp so no points there and Simeone had just won the league so honestly no points there.
Pochettino from Southampton, that was a good call, but sadly looking at stats this time around doesn't really bring as obvious as name.
(https://fbref.com/en/comps/Big5/possession/squads/Big-5-European-Leagues-Stats)
There's not really a Southampton and the only team that really sticks out is Atalanta and I think most people already think Gasperini probably tactically the best option but he doesn't want the job and seems to piss off everyone and the club won't consider him.
Bielsa would have been a delight, we should genuinely have done this, even if it would have been insane the young players would have improved and we'd have saved money on meh transfers and could have bought a couple massive stars instead of a bunch of weird flaccid Schneiderlin 30M buys once Bielsa fell in love with like Daley Blind as a CB and Wilf Zaha on the wing.
De Boer haha yikes. He was coming off 4 league titles in a row which is impressive even if it's Ajax.
Garcia would have failed, he's a decent manager but seems to have nothing special about him and he's too defensive. He shows that you can take 2 clubs up, win the league with the 3rd or 4th best squad but never evolve and be a solid 7/10 guy, which is probably what will happen with my next name.
So back to now, and the 2 weird left field choices the club will never consider but I'd like to see them give the rest of the season as a trial instead of just having Carrick and Fletcher coach while spending the time trying to figure out if the fans would accept Brendan Rodgers, trying but fail to get Zidane on the phone and trying to somehow invent a time machine that could let them see if England win the World Cup and if so give the job to Gareth Southgate but definitely not do so if he doesn't but also not wait until after the World Cup to appoint a manager based ultimately on if Antonio Conte improves Harry Kane
Koln - Steffan Baumgart -
He plays 2 up front, 4 at the back but they seem to deny the other team from getting the ball up the pitch fairly well and he's playing a fair amount of the 4-1-3-2 formation (previously only seen on Fifa by teenages and whenever England's 66 Cup winning formation went out of style?) that Celta Vigo also use and actually suits us, particularly if Pogba stays. 2 straight promotions for Paderborn before they went back down but they had no business in the Bundesliga surely. Only 49. We could do dumber things than hiring a young Bundesliga manager. We will never consider this.
Slavia Prague - Jindřich Trpišovský
He gets compared to Klopp for playing high intensity football but he went to the Nou Camp with Slavia Prague players and somehow got a draw by cutting Sacchi's 25 metres between defence and attack rule in half and throwing out this somehow perfectly logical insanity:
and then switched to 3 at the back against Sevilla when his players couldn't handle Sevilla's press and got another draw.
He won the double last year, and also in 2018-19 and the league the next year so that's 5/6 possible trophies in the last 3 years. They're 2nd this year by a point but first in goal difference and set to go through to the Europa League knockouts again, where they made the quarter-finals last year and lost to Arsenal after beating Leicester and Rangers and then getting a 1-1 draw in London before his team collapsed and lost 4-0 but again he didn't have a player who would have made the Arsenal team (though his best 2 players might have made their bench).
Soucek and Coufal improved massively under him to became Prem quality starting players and the Czech nation only has one more of those for sure in Patrick Schick, so seems able to develop a player. He brought Coufal with him from his old club and Soucek was a young player not yet starting before he got there, so not really luck either most likely.
Only 45!
TLDR: This managerial appointment will be like a 40M Euro range buy from that 2014 season where really the guy is slightly less likely than not to be not good enough, which is to say managerial versions of Ander Herrera to United (okay but not really for manager), Lukaku to Everton (sure), Shaw to United (again okay but not really a home run) or Eliaquim Mangala to City (this is if we'd hired De Boer).
So since it's probably about 60-70% likely to fail, we should get 2 bites at the apple by hiring a young tactician who's done well so far instead of just wasting the year. If he's good enough to make it a tough choice between keeping him or not, that's actually a good thing, even if the owners would probably hate it.
Oversaw what?
Carrick has no power at the club to decide things whatsoever. He’s a coach and that’s it.
Does Enrique speak English?
He was my #1 choice. If he wants the job then pull out the stops.
The only manager on that list I can be excited about is Ten Hag.
Would he join this mess of a club, though? Certainly not right now, but even next summer? Klopp turned us down as he could see the fundamental issues with the club. It's not inconceivable that Ten Hag will feel the same way. But on the other hand, Real and Barca are a bit of a mess these days and Liverpool, Chelsea and City are obviously happy with their managers, so we might become the best option by default. Unless Bayern sacks Nagelsmann that is...
Would he join this mess of a club, though? Certainly not right now, but even next summer? Klopp turned us down as he could see the fundamental issues with the club. It's not inconceivable that Ten Hag will feel the same way. But on the other hand, Real and Barca are a bit of a mess these days and Liverpool, Chelsea and City are obviously happy with their managers, so we might become the best option by default. Unless Bayern sacks Nagelsmann that is...
He's the first-team coach, he's responsible for the poor standard of coaching. Him and one or two others.
Thomas Frank?
Ole needed to go but just cant see who is out there for the interim even. Someone needs to take over short term and have a huge win rate to get us top 4 and maybe a cup run. And long term who is going to go toe to toe with Klopp, Pep and Tuchel? Lots of people tout ten haag but hes never managed in the PL and works in a one horse league. Just as likely to be a Frank De Boer than a success. Feel like we will be back here before too long
That may be, but he can’t make the decision to change the coaches, that’s not his job.
We don’t know if he was implementing what Ole wanted him to implement or it was his ideas that were crap.
Just got to wait and see what happens in these next two matches until an interim is appointed
If we want the players to buy in from the get go we need to be looking at Enrique, Zidane, Mancini, maybe Pochettino if he impresses this season in the CL. Other than that we're going to have a section of the players unsure the manager has what it takes to win stuff.
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