Interesting, don't watch a huge amount of Everton (Aside from when they're on live TV and highlights on MOTD), but of course we all know they're not a thrilling side. Which makes the likes of Baldwin and others a wee bit hypocritical considering one of their main reasons for not wanting Mourinho to take over is the fact they think his sides play boring football.
In fairness, Moyes can only work with and get the best out of what he's got. He can't go out and splash big money on world-class talent like Jose has been able to do at nearly every club he's been at.
Judging Moyes on tactics and brand of football is unfair until he has more options at his disposal and better quality player's to work with.
If Mourinho had a bench containing the likes of Baxter, Hibbert, and Anichebe, I doubt he'd be in a rush to get them on either.
Holloway doesn't have a big budget and his team are playing some cracking stuff this season. Is the amount you spend linked to how attractively your teams can play football? Arsenal barely spend anything but they're an excellent side to watch when on form.
Erm...
Porto (2002–2004)
2003 Portuguese Liga
2003 Portuguese Cup
2003 UEFA Cup
2003 Portuguese Super Cup
2004 Portugese Liga
2004 UEFA Champions League
Chelsea (2004–2007)
2005 FA Premier League
2005 League Cup
2005 FA Community Shield
2006 FA Premier League
2007 League Cup
2007 FA Cup
Internazionale (2008–2010)
2008 Supercoppa Italiana
2009 Serie A
2010 Serie A
2010 Coppa Italia
2010 UEFA Champions League
Yes, I think he's good enough.
Pretty shite? They lost the title by 2 points (Would have lost it on GD had Bolton not scored in the last minute) and came within an inch (literally) of being crowned European Champions.
At Inter he's left Benitez with the reigning Italian and European Champions, I'm sure Benitez didn't walk in and find himself disappointed at what he'd been left with.
I can undestand certain reservations about Mourinho, but stuff like this is just a load of bollocks, really.
Holloway doesn't have a big budget and his team are playing some cracking stuff this season. Is the amount you spend linked to how attractively your teams can play football? Arsenal barely spend anything but they're an excellent side to watch when on form.
How is Moyes meant to prove himself capable of winning trophies until a trophy-winning club gives him a chance(no disrespect to Everton)?
It's an unfair criticism IMO, it's like Porto not taking a chance on Mourinho when they did due to him not winning trophies. Trophies aren't the only currency in which success can be measured, Moyes work at Everton is probably the equivalent of 2-3 trophies at a top 4 club.
I think Everton play decent stuff. Nothing spectacular but decent.
But still I can't understand why anyone would want Moyes over Mourinho. I just don't get it.
But my point is he's always come into a team at the peak of their prowess. When he left Porto their team fell apart, when he left Chelsea the team was in a worse state then when he started and same can now be said of Inter.
But my point is he's always come into a team at the peak of their prowess. When he left Porto their team fell apart, when he left Chelsea the team was in a worse state then when he started and same can now be said of Inter.
Does it mean that Jose's much better than other managers, or has he never had to rebuild a team? Has he ever shown that he has the long term future of a club in mind?
But my point is he's always come into a team at the peak of their prowess. When he left Porto their team fell apart, when he left Chelsea the team was in a worse state then when he started and same can now be said of Inter.
Does it mean that Jose's much better than other managers, or has he never had to rebuild a team? Has he ever shown that he has the long term future of a club in mind?
In fairness, Moyes can only work with and get the best out of what he's got. He can't go out and splash big money on world-class talent like Jose has been able to do at nearly every club he's been at.
Judging Moyes on tactics and brand of football is unfair until he has more options at his disposal and better quality player's to work with.
If Mourinho had a bench containing the likes of Baxter, Hibbert, and Anichebe, I doubt he'd be in a rush to get them on either.
1. More likely to stay and provide long term stability ala Fergie
2. Mourinho would mean more sensational and ABU media attention than ever.
3. Moyes has proved he can handle big egos and provide motivation
4. He seems to understand and optimise the transfer market.
5. He believes in investing in a sound youth policy
6. He is Scottish and Fergie wants him to be his successor
Just my opinion of course.
But my point is he's always come into a team at the peak of their prowess. When he left Porto their team fell apart, when he left Chelsea the team was in a worse state then when he started and same can now be said of Inter.
Does it mean that Jose's much better than other managers, or has he never had to rebuild a team? Has he ever shown that he has the long term future of a club in mind?
He splashed a lot on Benny McCarthy didn't he.
This could be said of any manager really. It doesn't really prove anything about how Moyes is better than Mourinho, which of course he isn't.
Chances are Mourinho might have gotten better players than that, or at the least gotten more out of them.
Who? Moyes? I can't recall Benni McCarthy playing for Preston or Everton at any point, so no.
Judging by Mourinho's track record with youth, I doubt Baxter or Anichebe would be any better off under Jose than they are under Moyes, getting minutes under their belt. Besides, I can't really see how Jose would get any more out of that Everton squad than Moyes has managed to over the last X amount of years.
Let's be clear...Mourinho is the better manager and would be my pick to take over, however, to dismiss Moyes completely is unfair and shows a bit of tunnel vision from some people in regards to our next manager. If Moyes is given the job(a good possibility IMO) I don't think we can have any complaints, I'd understand why the club would choose to go down that road instead of the one leading to the Mourinho circus.
McCarthy was a member of Porto 04 wasn't he.
TBH, I think its Mourinho's job if he wants it. There's no British Isles based manager who is even remotely qualified for the United job.
Who? Moyes? I can't recall Benni McCarthy playing for Preston or Everton at any point, so no.
Judging by Mourinho's track record with youth, I doubt Baxter or Anichebe would be any better off under Jose than they are under Moyes, getting minutes under their belt. Besides, I can't really see how Jose would get any more out of that Everton squad than Moyes has managed to over the last X amount of years.
Let's be clear...Mourinho is the better manager and would be my pick to take over, however, to dismiss Moyes completely is unfair and shows a bit of tunnel vision from some people in regards to our next manager. If Moyes is given the job(a good possibility IMO) I don't think we can have any complaints, I'd understand why the club would choose to go down that road instead of the one leading to the Mourinho circus.
That's completely baseless prediction there. I personally think Jose would have done much better, at least Everton would not every season badly like they do under Moyes.
The only reason Moyes is being mentioned as a possible replacement for Sir Alex appears to be his nationality. There is no way anyone should be considered if Mourinho is available.
So says you, the ultimate Mourinho fanboi. I'll bet Bobby Charlton, David Gill, and our money men will beg to differ.
Jose isn't going to come cheap, he already earns more than SAF and every other manager in the world and would not move club unless that remained the case and he had a large transfer warchest to play with, something I also doubt we could provide.
Also, Moyes passport isn't why he's highly thought of at OT and amongst those not obsessed with Mourinho, it's because he's done a damn fine job on a budget similar to that of Bolton, Blackburn, Fulham etc, all clubs that have been nowhere near the levels Everton have reached.
One thing to bear in mind about any new United manager is the fact that there has never been a Manager at this club outside of the British Isles. A lot of you might dismiss this, but I feel it would be important to bear this in mind when guessing who is going to be the next one. No matter what you think, being English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish would give you an advantage over the European manager.
They will clearly have a greater will to bring on young local players and give british players a better oportunity. I think that this should be beared in mind, as these are great traditions of the club which should not be forgotten about for short term gain. However I don't know how much our wonderful owners would worry about this.
(and im not a little englander, Im Irish b4 some of you accuse me of it)
We certainly have traditions and history to consider, that's why I think people like Bobby and Gill will veto him coming here.
I honestly think this counts for nothing in today's game.
Especially with American owners.
Maybe so, but the fact the Glazer's leave the running of the football side to Gill, SAF, and Bobby Charlton would suggest they'll go with whoever is recommended by those three. The Glazer's aren't clued up enough about football or the traditions of MUFC(sad state of affairs, I know) to just go out and pluck the manager their uninformed opinion favours.
Whatever manager those three astute people come up with, will have my backing. I'm not sure I could say that for lots of folk if that man isn't the much-adored Mourinho.
I can't understand the concept of even comparing Moyes and Mourinho.
Look at his Fa Cup record:
2002-2003: QF
2003-2004: 4th rnd
2004-2005: 5th rnd
2005-2006: 4th rnd
2006-2007: 3rd rnd
2007-2008: 3rd rnd
2008-2009: Final
2009-2010: 4th rnd
Thats a pretty awful record frankly for a pretty decent side. He doesn't have the experience or the winning mentality to make it at United. He's too much of a risk.
This is an unfair thing to throw at him IMO. Only Pompey and Spurs have managed to break the monopoly on the FA and League Cup trophies by the traditional "big 4", and both also needed a huge slice of luck in their favour to do so.
You give me the impression that you believe Gill does care for tradition and that anybody at Glazer level cares at all for what Bobby Charlton might have to say on any given matter.
I certainly don't think Gill will pass up on someone foreign if that person has the credentials just because he doesn't hail from the Isles. Far from it in fact.
I'm not expecting Everton to be in the final each year. But to have been knocked out that many times in the 3rd/4th round is pretty bloody rubbish for a premiership side.
How else are we meant to judge Moyes achievements if we can't look at the clubs record in the FA Cup/Premiership/Carling Cup etc.
How about the fact he qualified a club similar in financial power to relagation battlers over the years like Bolton, Fulham, Blackburn and co, for CL football, UEFA Cup football, reached a cup final, consistently overachieves on a shoestring budget, and has shown savvy in the market to get quality player's on cheap fees, loans etc and manages to get the best out of them?
If he was foreign with a fancy-sounding name, and could crack a joke about Waitrose eggs and bird flu, I reckon he'd have the admiration on here that he deserves.
One thing to bear in mind about any new United manager is the fact that there has never been a Manager at this club outside of the British Isles. A lot of you might dismiss this, but I feel it would be important to bear this in mind when guessing who is going to be the next one. No matter what you think, being English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish would give you an advantage over the European manager.
They will clearly have a greater will to bring on young local players and give british players a better oportunity. I think that this should be beared in mind, as these are great traditions of the club which should not be forgotten about for short term gain. However I don't know how much our wonderful owners would worry about this.
(and im not a little englander, Im Irish b4 some of you accuse me of it)
We certainly have traditions and history to consider, that's why I think people like Bobby and Gill will veto him coming here.
Ehhh...? What's this bullshit about traditions? I look at Manchester United's squad and managerial team and I don't see any resemblance of a British tradition anywhere, nationality doesn't seem to be one of the criteria for working at United, why would this be a factor?
Regarding the fact that you never had a non-islander manager wouldn't that be because you have the same manager for 24 years and never needed to change? And that before that it was extremely uncommon for any non-british to coach (or play) in any English team (not a United tradition in particular). I just had a quick check but apparently until 1996 and the likes of Gullit, Houllier and Wenger no other of the big 4 had any tradition of non-islanders managers as well, and nowadays they all seem to ignore the nationality factor. And it would be daft not to, in my opinion.
Ridiculous logic.
I think you read the first line of my post and went of on your little rant, because you never touched on any of the issues I highlighted at all.
I'm not saying that I only want a British manager because they are so much better at managing than other nationalities, but the fact is that United are a British club, who play a very very British style of football. I for one would hate to see the philosophy of football here change, just because some Johnny come lately comes in with all the tactical bullshit that we know plays such a huge role in so many Leagues around Europe. United have always had the idea that if you score 2 we'll score 3, and that is what has drawn then support from around the world.
Also on my point about bringing in young British and Irish players and giving them every chance. Do you really believe that a foreign manager will give 1 shit about that tradition. Look at Wenger and see how many British players he has brought through. You mightn't think this is important, but for a team like man utd not to have any of its first team players coming from manchester would be sacrilege. IMO a british/irish manager would care more about this.
