Newcastle agree fee for Yanga-Mbiwa

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So how do you pronounce it?

Yanga Um-bee-waa?
 
They do know that they are allowed to buy players from outside of Ligue 1?

Montpellier's mad president wasn't best pleased about this transfer.
 
Signs a 5.5 yr contract. Official on their OS.
 
A good addition with the departure of Coloccini either imminent or in the summer.

Shockingly it appears the impetus to sign players only became manifest once survival was threatened and Mike Ashley personally got involved; Llambias is a joke.

I'm cautiously optimistic about staying up.
 
Robbie Boy said:
They do know that they are allowed to buy players from outside of Ligue 1?

Montpellier's mad president wasn't best pleased about this transfer.
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Agreed a fee with Bordeaux for Gouffran and with Nancy for Haidara too.
 
Scott Wilson ‏@Scottwilsonecho

Alan Pardew in attendance at Villa Park tonight. Apparently scouting a cracking Villa car park attendant who was born in Toulon... #NUFC

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Pardew in 2006 -

West Ham boss Alan Pardew has hit out at Arsene Wenger for not fielding an English player in Arsenal's Champions League win against Real Madrid.

"I saw a headline saying Arsenal are flying the flag for Britain," he said.

"I kind of wondered where that British involvement actually was when I looked at their team.

"It's important that top clubs don't lose sight of the fact that it's the English Premier League and English players should be involved."

Pardew added: "Foreign players have been fantastic. We have learned from them and from foreign coaches.

"But, to some extent, we could lose the soul of British football - the English player.

"We have a young team at West Ham and we are proud we have so many Englishmen.

"The soul of this team will remain with at least three or four English players as long as I am West Ham. I think that's important, I really do."

Professional Footballers' Association chief executive Gordon Taylor said: "It's an English club but not an English success, it's probably a greater reflection of youngsters from France and elsewhere in Europe.

"It's hard to say that it speaks volumes for English football when none of the players are homegrown."

Taylor said of Arsenal's victory against Real Madrid: "It's tinged with disappointment. Arsene Wenger chooses the team and has got them through and the quality is there for all to see.

"However, it would be more enjoyable if we saw Ashley Cole and Sol Campbell as part of it.

"It's a bit odd to look for the silver lining being England's players being fresh for the World Cup."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/4792270.stm
 
As was mentioned by someone on Twitter earlier, it's unlikely that he's the one signing the players, so it might not be as hypocritical as it seems.
 
Yeah, and tbh it's not bad business either for the fees they are signing them for.
 
It's disingenuous, imo, to interpret his statement as an indictment against fielding even a majority of foreign players - he was specifically talking about the case of not fielding a single English player.

I can't think of a case this season or last where there hasn't been at least one starting and 3 or 4 total in the matchday squad. Until that time, it's just being silly to play "gotcha" games with quotes like that.
 
You can't really blame them for exploring French market. Two big signings they have made from Ligue 1 - Cabaye and Ben Arfa - are possibly their two best players. They also managed to pick them up for low fees compared to what they'd have to pay for a player of the same calibre in England. Debuchy was also signed for a relatively low fee and I expect him to be a success too.

They're cheap, they usually do well in France and all of them have played for successful French sides. Someone like Gouffran will probably only be a back up anyway, I have no idea who the Nancy guy is. To sign players of the same quality here would cost them two or three times as much.
 
the_box said:
It's disingenuous, imo, to interpret his statement as an indictment against fielding even a majority of foreign players - he was specifically talking about the case of not fielding a single English player.

I can't think of a case this season or last where there hasn't been at least one starting and 3 or 4 total in the matchday squad. Until that time, it's just being silly to play "gotcha" games with quotes like that.
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He said that in 2006. A lot has changed since them - English players are even more expensive than they were back then and talent wise they have got significantly worse, English national team is in the worst shape since long, long ago.

You can have a look at Stoke who spend around £25m net on players each season, picking up mainly from within the country, and end up having a squad of rather poor physical players. I know they're above Newcastle but long term I'd expect Newcastle to have more success with this policy (as last season proved, it can work out).
 
Sarni said:
You can't really blame them for exploring French market. Two big signings they have made from Ligue 1 - Cabaye and Ben Arfa - are possibly their two best players. They also managed to pick them up for low fees compared to what they'd have to pay for a player of the same calibre in England. Debuchy was also signed for a relatively low fee and I expect him to be a success too.

They're cheap, they usually do well in France and all of them have played for successful French sides. Someone like Gouffran will probably only be a back up anyway, I have no idea who the Nancy guy is. To sign players of the same quality here would cost them two or three times as much.
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Yeah, and it was good business for Arsenal back then along with signing many 16 year olds from abroad.
 
Sarni said:
He said that in 2006. A lot has changed since them - English players are even more expensive than they were back then and talent wise they have got significantly worse, English national team is in the worst shape since long, long ago.

You can have a look at Stoke who spend around £25m net on players each season, picking up mainly from within the country, and end up having a squad of rather poor physical players. I know they're above Newcastle but long term I'd expect Newcastle to have more success with this policy (as last season proved, it can work out).
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Not sure about that tbh. Some good Young players coming through.

English national team players largely end up at bigger clubs anyway, if they move. It's those on the fringes that are a bit overpriced and even were back then.

It's interesting you point out Stoke because they haven't spent 25 million net and haven't bought English players either. They buy physical players to suit their style and not all fit in. It's a different model completely.

Swansea would be more similar to newcastle, i guess and they buy both from within and outside.
 
Cevno said:
Not sure about that tbh. Some good Young players coming through.

English national team players largely end up at bigger clubs anyway, if they move. It's those on the fringes that are a bit overpriced and even were back then.

It's interesting you point out Stoke because they haven't spent 25 million net and haven't bought English players either. They buy physical players to suit their style and not all fit in. It's a different model completely.

Swansea would be more similar to newcastle, i guess and they buy both from within and outside.
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Stoke have spent close to £100m net since their promotion, roughly around £20m net a season. Maybe £25m was an overestimation but they do spend big money and it goes towards signing PL players.
 
Sarni said:
Stoke have spent close to £100m net since their promotion, roughly around £20m net a season. Maybe £25m was an overestimation but they do spend big money and it goes towards signing PL players.
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http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/stoke-city-transfers.html

More closer to 15 tbh.

They just buy a certain type of player with no worry of resale value. These are not that many English players either.

And it's not worked out that badly for them tbh. They've finished mid table for all the 4 seasons and also gone on 2 pretty good cup runs.

Their have been worse teams that have been relegated buying lesser known players and spending similar amounts like a Portsmouth even. The problem with Stoke however has been the fact that they have made some poor signings which they haven't used and also are unable to build on what they achieved now. Pulis has been found limited in that respect.
 
Newcastle manager is to change his name to Alan Depardieu.
 
Cevno said:
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/stoke-city-transfers.html

More closer to 15 tbh.

They just buy a certain type of player with no worry of resale value. These are not that many English players either.

And it's not worked out that badly for them tbh. They've finished mid table for all the 4 seasons and also gone on 2 pretty good cup runs.

Their have been worse teams that have been relegated buying lesser known players and spending similar amounts like a Portsmouth even. The problem with Stoke however has been the fact that they have made some poor signings which they haven't used and also are unable to build on what they achieved now. Pulis has been found limited in that respect.
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They're paying more than Newcastle while signing significantly worse players., that's my entire point. Newcastle have spent around £40m to build a team that is going to consist of Yanga-Mbiwa, Debuchy, Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa and Cisse (those six cost slightly more than £30m in total) as well as solid players like Santon and Guttierez.
 
Sarni said:
They're paying more than Newcastle while signing significantly worse players., that's my entire point. Newcastle have spent around £40m to build a team that is going to consist of Yanga-Mbiwa, Debuchy, Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa and Cisse (those six cost slightly more than £30m in total) as well as solid players like Santon and Guttierez.
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Oh, that i agree with. That's why i said they are struggling to go to the next level.

Newcastle have more pulling power outside of money anyways, but Stoke now having established themselves should look to do a Swansea.
 
Cevno said:
Oh, that i agree with. That's why i said they are struggling to go to the next level.

Newcastle have more pulling power outside of money anyways, but Stoke now having established themselves should look to do a Swansea.
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I think Pulis is happy with a safe option, with their current strategy they're unlikely to be in danger of relegation even if it doesn't bring any memorable performances.

Newcastle are taking it further with those acquisitions and if it works out they might find themselves comfortably in top 10 the next few seasons with a view of pushing for European places again. I'm not sure Pardew is the man to take them there, he seemed to have brought the best out of them last season but even then they looked dire in terms of style at times and pushed on against the odds, long term such quality of football won't get them to a good position as this season is proving so far.
 
I wonder how many of these players Newcastle get from France have a release clause in their contracts (a la Ba) *

*Not Alaba, but I mean like they did with Ba
 
Cevno said:
Oh, that i agree with. That's why i said they are struggling to go to the next level.

Newcastle have more pulling power outside of money anyways, but Stoke now having established themselves should look to do a Swansea.
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no way. There should be atleast one team in our league that plays like stoke does. Our league would be worse off without the agricultural football of Stoke and "wednesday night in the dead of winter at the britannia" would lose all meaning of stoke moved towards swansea style.
 
Can't blame Newcastle. They are in trouble this season and need new signings immediately.

Can't blame them for wanting to sign players with quality who cost less, than signing players with similar quality who would cost more in England or even other leagues.
 
There's a whisper that Newcastle are after Ricky van Wolfswinkel from Sporting Club de Portugal.

I'd sign him for his name alone.
 
:lol: Looks like astro turf may have to come back to St James Park.
 
Gazza said:
I wonder how many of these players Newcastle get from France have a release clause in their contracts (a la Ba) *

*Not Alaba, but I mean like they did with Ba
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None of them I think. Ba didn't come from France and he had a relause clause because he demanded one, he wouldn't have moved otherwise - it was to make another move easier and he's a bit of a journeyman as Chelsea are his fourth club in three years.
 
VoetbalWizard said:
no way. There should be atleast one team in our league that plays like stoke does. Our league would be worse off without the agricultural football of Stoke and "wednesday night in the dead of winter at the britannia" would lose all meaning of stoke moved towards swansea style.
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I thought it was Tuesday, no? Who changed it to Wednesday? Nobody tells me anything around here.
 
Marching said:
AS Nancy left back Massadio Haidara being one and Toulouse midfielder Moussa another.
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Moussa as Moussa Sissoko? That'd be a coup for Newcastle, he's excellent. Sissoko, Tiote and Cabaye in the middle would be a very strong combination, and Newcastle definitely need to add depth to their midfield.
 
Sarni said:
Moussa as Moussa Sissoko? That'd be a coup for Newcastle, he's excellent. Sissoko, Tiote and Cabaye in the middle would be a very strong combination, and Newcastle definitely need to add depth to their midfield.
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I actually think Sissoko will replace Tiote in midfield until Tiote gets some form back. He's a good player Sissoko.

Newcastle strengthening at the back and in the middle, but their attacking options are somewhat crap. I'd be pushing the boat out and seeing if I could snap up Ben Yedder if I was Newcastle.
 
Graeme Bailey ‏@GraemeBailey
Toulouse announce that French international Moussa Sissoko has finalised his move to Newcastle. He will move this month and not the summer.

Why didn't they just do this in the summer?
 
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