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They take it so seriously that a few people just agree using their opinions.@Party Boy well played
He's been Macerned.
Ffs! You been holding that in for long?Fwiw I still stand by what I said, though I could’ve explained and worded my posts better, no doubt.
You also left out stuff like my answer to Summit’s last post just because it didn’t fit your narrative
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Amazing
That back and forth was a tremendous read
It's a shame @Party Boy is a full member already as that post alone would have been enough for instant promotion, bravo sir, bravo!
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rekt There was nothing at all wrong with the post being complained about either. In fact he was largely right.
Come on, how has most of our recent purchases (Lukaku, Lindelöf, Matic, Bailly, Zlatan, Mkhitaryan and Pogba) been both overpriced and ineffective?
There was nothing at all wrong with the post being complained about either. In fact he was largely right.
That's why I said largely, I don't agree they all have. He's right that the logic of "big fee = good player" is nonsense though.
I managed to buy Lukaku for just £40 million on Fifa 17.
Cost me 60 + Rooney, think I got ripped off now.
I don’t think so. 60 + Rooney is better than 40.
Andy Carroll, anyone?
Or 350,000,000 penny chews?
Depay was a terrible example though, as he was a real standout player in his final season and I don’t think anyone complained about the price back then. Fellaini too - if Moyes didn’t mess it up and bought him for a little less a little earlier when he still had a buyout clause. People were complaining about the club paying more than they could have and a lack of other big signings that summer rather than Fellaini not justifying the price tag at the time. He was indeed very good for Everton in the time before we bought him.
It only got worse when he stated it as a fact that most of our recent signings have been overpriced and ineffective. I wrote a lengthy reply to the post and then went back to look at who posted it. I thought to myself that it had to be a new member because I found the post so poor. To my unsusprise it was from a brand new poster with 0 likes and it ultimately led me to mention it here as an example of the what I think is a declining quality of the average post in the football forums. Like jojojo said the difference between the newbies and the mains are mainly that the mains are busier and dreadful posts are rarer. I understand that a quantity over quality approach provides more income, but it’s negatively affecting the football forum to the extent that people are staying away from it.
I think the point was that there wasn't anything wrong with the kind of post you highlighted, especially when compared to shit like 'FM stats are no joke, they take it really seriously, a bunch of them just agree based on their opinion. What, you want them to actually do some kind of meaningful testing? That isn't remotely like taking it seriously.'
My point with bringing up FM and fifa stats was just to put forward an example of people thinking Rashford is quicker than Perisic. What on earth is so wrong with doing that? The guy literally posted a video of Perisic running past someone I’ve never heard of - how is that any better? Somehow people percieved my fifa/fm posts as me claiming that the stats are undeniably correct and to be treated as some sort of proof that I was right. Not sure what exactly went wrong there. I was putting forward an argument on the same line as another argument which was a youtube video. Anyway that has nothing to do with what I was trying to convey about the general quality of the football forums. If you think I’m in no position to make that complaint because of my horrendous FM/fifa posts then so be it.
Both were shit but at least a video of something is at least an objective measurement. Something you can see. I can find 10 people who all agree that the Earth is flat, but it doesn't make them right so championing that as some kind of bastion of merit but then saying really all that happens is a few people agree with each other is just really weird. You actively made it out to be like a really objective way of judging players like it was grounded in some kind of evidence and really FM stats are just someones opinion. The fact that you didn't see that and kept championing it was what prompted the post as a whole to be mocked like it was - that's all. You could settle a debate about who was faster, Linford Christie or Usain Bolt by showing videos of them both sprinting, but you couldn't settle it by saying that 10 people in a room who take things really seriously all agree that it's Linford Christie in their opinion so therefore it's more reliable. Muff was pointing out that the guys post you highlighted was better than that line of thinking. There wasn't a problem with it.
You can't settle a debate about who's faster out of two footballers who haven't been sprinting against each other though. The arguments were bound to be shit. A video of Perisic running past someone is not less shit than my fifa/fm arguments imo.
About the part in bold, show me examples, because I think you're just making that up. I clearly asked the guy multiple times to ask whoever of their opinions on it because I didn't rate my fifa/fm arguments as good enough by themselves, and if most people (on for instance the caf) agree on something it's at least an indicator and probably less rubbish than a youtube video and subjective database ratings. I defended the EA database because I've been participating to it myself and I think it's quite good, but then again I never made it out to be some sort of evidence to my statement, that's just bs.
You started off by saying that he's deluded for his example, which means that unless you think you are deluded yourself, holding yours up instead is a clear indicator that you think yours has legitimacy. There's a very big gap between deluded, and legit.
You also said:
"When the professionals at EA and SI agree on something they're usually correct."
This is based on nothing at all other than your opinon.
"I think it's fair to use FIFA and FM as arguments when arguing about pace, when they're both are in agreement that is. I've worked as a data editor for EA myself editing player stats for my local team and I know how much they strive to have a database as accurate as possible."
'As accurate as possible' is a very bold statement.
"The databases are highly serious"
All these statements are championing it so no I didn't make it up. You then went on to say:
"Doesn't work like that. A number of people agree on the stats using their opinions from watching the players."
Which throws everything you said before that out of the window. A bunch of people agreeing on something based on their opinion from watching somebody is not accurate, it's not striving to be as accurate as possible, it's not highly serious whatsoever. It's a bunch of guys giving their opinion ffs. That was the entire point of the joke, there is nothing whatsoever serious about that. Nothing accurate or serious in the absolute slightest. You then said 'what you expect them to actually hold speed tests' as if it was incredulous that somebody who was serous about something being as accurate as possible should base it on anything other than opinion. That's really silly. I'm not really wanting an argument here, I'm just explaining how everybody else in the thread understood the point of muffs post.
I also don't like that the newbies are flooding into the mains, but pick a better post to highlight than one that everyone has told you there's nothing wrong with. Including multiple mods.
I love that Macern flags a completely fine post for some reason, and has ended up defending using Fifa stats in the admin forum The employees who give ratings to the two mentioned players have it as their full time job to analyze every tiny bit of every player in their assigned clubs. For instance, the network of researchers who are working on the FM database are organized similar to that of a professional football club. They have people like Paulo Freitas in Brazil, Alberto Scotta in Italy and many other people in many other nations who each have their own assistant researchers making the database as accurate as possible. They are working with the same data analysis software that professional football clubs are using (Example: ProZone/Stats) and they even have official partnerships with clubs like Everton who are given access to their data to use in their own scouting. What you're saying in the bolded part isn't correct at all.
Let's leave it at that shall we? This discussion is taking up too much of my time.
Ok this thread has served it's purpose and is now very much derailed.
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