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New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built - design visualisation released
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
It’s gone well for Spurs and Arsenal. A new stadium just leaves me with ever decreasing connection to the club.
Damn that was a tap in!
Heard someone mention the three spires resemble the tips of the Devil's trident on our logo 
Not sure if that's an insightful observation by them or was mentioned in the press release...either way, I like it.
Not sure if that's an insightful observation by them or was mentioned in the press release...either way, I like it.I think I like how the stadium looks in the renders we've seen so far.
My first impressions were that it was a bit aesthetically jarring, and I was confused about what kind of theme or style they were going for. It's definitely not traditional or classic architecture for an English football stadium, which is why I think some of us are having a hard time aligning to the design.
However, after watching all the promotional hype a few times, and listening to Jim and Norman's vision and ideas behind the whole project, I now absolutely love it and really hope it all materialises as planned.
I was originally in the revamp camp but seeing the potential that could be achieved in today's announcement, I'm fully convinced that a new stadium is the best way forward. There is just no way you could achieve anything close to the scale and ambition of this whole regeneration project by revamping OT.
I suppose it's a matter of personal taste, but I think the trident design is unique, ambitious, bold, daring, confident, divisive... all things I would associate with the club and how we want our football to be played.
Jim mentioned in one of his interviews about a potential fan zone somewhere in the vicinity where away games could be shown on big screens. I like the sound of that.
My first impressions were that it was a bit aesthetically jarring, and I was confused about what kind of theme or style they were going for. It's definitely not traditional or classic architecture for an English football stadium, which is why I think some of us are having a hard time aligning to the design.
However, after watching all the promotional hype a few times, and listening to Jim and Norman's vision and ideas behind the whole project, I now absolutely love it and really hope it all materialises as planned.
I was originally in the revamp camp but seeing the potential that could be achieved in today's announcement, I'm fully convinced that a new stadium is the best way forward. There is just no way you could achieve anything close to the scale and ambition of this whole regeneration project by revamping OT.
I suppose it's a matter of personal taste, but I think the trident design is unique, ambitious, bold, daring, confident, divisive... all things I would associate with the club and how we want our football to be played.
Jim mentioned in one of his interviews about a potential fan zone somewhere in the vicinity where away games could be shown on big screens. I like the sound of that.
Maybe someone can get a poll going on here to gauge the general consensus among us, as I said earlier I think it’s stunning and night games will be something to behold
All of them are ugly. Why should it take elements from Old Trafford? Old Trafford now looks completely different to what it did 30 years ago. Things change.It's true but I think a lot of it is cost based. These generic bowls are probably much quicker/cheaper to build. There's an element of not being able to please everyone but I do think it's sad there seems to be a clear lack of interest in preserving OT or elements from OT. It very much has the look of 'let's build the biggest stadium we without much interest in it's aesthetic and then drape a net over it + whack some towers on to change its outline.'
These were Ai generated when the stadium was mooted and all of them gave a nod to the cantilever roof to some degree. Surely there was a way to get a bit more of OT into the new stadium.
I think that was indeed intentional if I had to guess!Heard someone mention the three spires resemble the tips of the Devil's trident on our logo
Bowl wise this stadium doesn't have much in the ways of unique design but it follows the inside out design some other arenas and stadiums have pioneered - which means making changes to the surrounding amenities or even the stadium itself should be a lot easier to accomplish - rather than in designs where the auxiliary buildings are all part of the same construction.
Yeah, that’s by design mate. Thats lord foster earning his big bucksHeard someone mention the three spires resemble the tips of the Devil's trident on our logo
Cheers lads. Old Man Foster's still got it.
Just catching up on all this. I’m pretty neutral on the design, but the important parts for a match going fan such as the acoustics and slope of the stands look good. I do understand the moaning about the changes, but ultimately, if you want to continue going for a drink in a pub in town before the match, just do that. No one is being forced to actually use the facilities if they don’t want to do more than just turn up for the game and go again.
I’m not even massively concerned about financing. You only have to look at what Madrid are pulling in already to know that a low interest loan is going to pay off long term.
Ticket prices and seating for season ticket holders is the big one. I don’t see how they can possibly keep on rising prices and pull in 100k consistently. I know it’s naive, but I hope they can rinse hospitality to make season tickets and children’s tickets low-ish.
Whatever way they try and seat current season ticket holders is going to be unpopular. They need to find a way to get vocal fans behind the goal together. I’m not sure how they do it though.
I’m not even massively concerned about financing. You only have to look at what Madrid are pulling in already to know that a low interest loan is going to pay off long term.
Ticket prices and seating for season ticket holders is the big one. I don’t see how they can possibly keep on rising prices and pull in 100k consistently. I know it’s naive, but I hope they can rinse hospitality to make season tickets and children’s tickets low-ish.
Whatever way they try and seat current season ticket holders is going to be unpopular. They need to find a way to get vocal fans behind the goal together. I’m not sure how they do it though.
Well make a lot of the money selling the surrounding land for the larger regen project
Right with you. This club has a much deeper and richer past than both those clubs to. Leaving Old Trafford to go to this soulless carnival like set up almost feels like a wind up.
The fans who are actually happy with the designs they’ve seen today have not got a clue what this club is about or how different it will become in a few years… It’ll be a tourists day out and all of us who have been going to games as loyal supporters for years will be priced out and replaced by the prawn sandwich brigade.
None of this is done in the interest of the club. It’s to line the owners pockets.
That’s not what I’m saying, it’s not unheard of to see building longevity, repairability or even safety be sacrificed to become more sustainable, just for it actually not to be in the long run
Also Lord Foster and his sons or whatever won’t be responsible for us maintaining it
I mean, I get not liking it for it's unique design but that's a nonsense comment and seems petty/deliberately obtuse. I'm sure they wouldn't have released that had things been going better on the pitch.
So anyone that has a different opinion to you hasn't got a clue what this club is about? What a load of bollocks.
Have to say I absolutely love it. Best I felt about United for quite a long time.
All the posts on middle east and mosque design reminds me of this
Really? I feel the opposite. Just yesterday he stated how skint we are, and that we’re in major trouble if we didn’t stop feeding the kit men, just to announce a £2bn stadium today. With no clarification on funding. And it’ll likely be put on to the fans. And it’s not exactly done any other ‘top’ teams a favour. Took Arsenal years to recover, and look at Spurs
Just read that the tallest spire will be 200M tall, which to me is only 0.5M shorter than the tallest building in Manchrster atm.
I will be able to see this from the end of my road and it will also be seen from many parts of GM.
I will be able to see this from the end of my road and it will also be seen from many parts of GM.
Says who? You? What on earth makes you think some teabag on the Internet is the arbiter of what means a fan understands the club?
I go to games, as do people I know. All of us are happy with it. You could equally make the argument that a fan who opposes change and doesn't realise that Old Trafford has changed significantly over time doesn't understand what the club is about. But you'd then go round and round in circles with nobody being right.
Look up the no true scotsman fallacy, once you're over your hyperbolic, emotional outburst.
Can't wait for the 'Glazer Out' banner to be flown over this stadium, let's hope they don't get it tangled in the spires.
Added a poll.
And/or becoming a landlord for all the shops, bars, restaurants etc that fill the new spaces.
They added three polls. Ffs did you even look at the pictures?
Would that not constitute receiving government funds.
Sorry but what a load of absolute bollocks. Who are you to say that those who approve of the design are somehow lesser fans that don’t understand the clubs history or some other lofty ideal?
It’s a concept design for a stadium, nothing more. A lot of people, myself included, just don’t agree that renovating Old Trafford would provide good value for money in the long run and would therefore prefer to see investment in a new stadium.
You do realise that the ‘tourist’ market is going to be huge for all ‘big’ clubs going forwards. You can’t just have a stadium sitting on its own and only generating money on match days for the lucky few who get to go and watch the games.
You could equally say those fans that want to keep the club as it is are willing to hold back progress for their own selfish gains and don’t have a clue about how the sport has moved on.
I respect both sides and without saying too much about myself I am very active in historical preservation in California so I have a strong heart for preserving through rehabilitation buildings which tell so many stories about our past...who we are and why we are who are.
But if we are going to be honest, the Glazers let Old Trafford rot to a state of decrepitude. It could be rehabbed, but the property needs so much work that it just isn't economically feasible to do so. I hate the idea of tearing down Old Trafford but I hate even more the idea of Manchester United playing in a shitty stadium.
Do what we must while we can.
But if we are going to be honest, the Glazers let Old Trafford rot to a state of decrepitude. It could be rehabbed, but the property needs so much work that it just isn't economically feasible to do so. I hate the idea of tearing down Old Trafford but I hate even more the idea of Manchester United playing in a shitty stadium.
Do what we must while we can.
I think it would have been nice to have some link to the past, not that crazy an idea to grasp. As said, I think much of this is down to cost.
There must be some aspects we could re use to keep that link as I also think that would be nice. Even if small ones.
I’m split. It’s audacious which is welcome given that many of us would’ve been fearing a lifeless bowl, though it also feels a little tacky. The trident doesn’t really seem visible or legible as one except from the perspective of drone / aerial shots, which I think is telling that it’s more of a spectacle for the screens rather than as a symbol for fans walking up to the stadium gates. So it’s an impressive, ambitious design, but I’m fearful the experience that it’ll generate will give equal footing to the football and the fan component as it will to shopping and eating and being a tourist destination.
What is the bit of both option? Like and dislike at the same time? Like and love which is basically just a positive response? I’m confused.
Sounds painful.
what the problem here? Fans get a great matchday experience and the club rakes in some extra cash from folk who aren’t fans and wouldn’t otherwise visit. It’s win win
I’m not sure why some are worried about the non football side of it all, like you say it’ll bring a lot of extra money.
If you want just football, you could always go watch Wigan. Maybe buy a sofa on the way out from the local DFS.
It’s just not us.Building a new state of the art stadium. Doesn't get more embarrassing than that.
You know, the more I'm looking at it, the more I like it. Why shouldn't it be a bit ostentatious?
I just hope it happens... 5 years seems wildly optimistic based on previous government projects. We'll be doing well to start construction in 5 years, nevermind finish it.
I just hope it happens... 5 years seems wildly optimistic based on previous government projects. We'll be doing well to start construction in 5 years, nevermind finish it.
I loved the little snippet from Kaveh on Sky, they clearly hate it and will jump on any negativity associated with it, probably still hurting from the trade and industry department’s decision all those years ago.
Not yet it’s not.