New Premier League ball 2015/16

My favourite ever ball is the 2002 WC ball - the Adidas Feverona.

But the Nike PL balls between 2002-08 were fantastic. A close friend of mine has an uncle who works for a manufacturing company for the professional balls which tend to be produced over here rather than the £10 kickabouts made overseas. He used to get professional grade balls as factory seconds (it would be classed as grade b if a stitch was slightly out or if there was a crease in a panel) for us, so it was nice to play with a real football.
 
I think they're quite nice.

Looks like this is fast turning into another thread like the kit one, everything old people think is wrong with modern football.
 
I always preferred the old Mitre Delta/Ultimax balls. They were iconic.

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I also remember the old Umbro balls being used in the early years of the Premier League, back when the home team provided the matchballs.

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The Umbro and the Ultimax are the truest balls I've owned insofar as they basically did not wobble when struck with a bit of pace.
 
I like it.

I used to deliver product training on Nike Football products - the amount of research and testing that goes into these footballs is insane!
 
Testing and researching footballs?

In all fairness why isn't things left alone. All this jersey and boots technology crap is sickening enough besides now hiring lads specifically to tamper around with the balls.

Players either have it or they don't and tight fitting jerseys with an extra few holes here and there and boots with ankle socks sown up to the knees isn't going to make one player better than the other. A pure money racket is all it is.
 
That ball is going to be a nightmare for keepers.
 
I always preferred the old Mitre Delta/Ultimax balls. They were iconic.

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I also remember the old Umbro balls being used in the early years of the Premier League, back when the home team provided the matchballs.

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With my team, we currently play with the Mitre Ultimax which is an excellent ball. Scored a few scorchers with it, one of the best balls for players who like to thump it!
My favourite ever ball is the 2002 WC ball - the Adidas Feverona.

But the Nike PL balls between 2002-08 were fantastic. A close friend of mine has an uncle who works for a manufacturing company for the professional balls which tend to be produced over here rather than the £10 kickabouts made overseas. He used to get professional grade balls as factory seconds (it would be classed as grade b if a stitch was slightly out or if there was a crease in a panel) for us, so it was nice to play with a real football.
We used to buy 10€ balls on a regular basis, but they end up deflating or having not quite so round forms after a few hours of intensive play, so instead we started buying professional balls when we could find good deals for them, like 50% off. Still amounted to a fair bit, but a few of us would chip in and ultimately it's well worth it: the balls have better long term resistance so will last you longer, they're unlikely to take weird shapes or to absord water, and they're better to play with, especially for long passing/shooting.
 
I like it.
I used to deliver product training on Nike Football products - the amount of research and testing that goes into these footballs is insane!
And yet you always come up with the same shape.
 
I think they're quite nice.

Looks like this is fast turning into another thread like the kit one, everything old people think is wrong with modern football.

I can understand this comment in relation to the kit thread where people are always over the top but seriously this ball looks like a monstrosity. It looks like Tobey Maguire shat it out and then it was put together by a combination of David Walliams and Graham Norton. It is the campest football I have ever seen.
 
Hate watching FA Cup games when the ball is pink, I fear this might come across the same on the TV.
 
Testing and researching footballs?

In all fairness why isn't things left alone. All this jersey and boots technology crap is sickening enough besides now hiring lads specifically to tamper around with the balls.

Players either have it or they don't and tight fitting jerseys with an extra few holes here and there and boots with ankle socks sown up to the knees isn't going to make one player better than the other. A pure money racket is all it is.

Most of the fabric innovations are not about making a player better, but making them more comfortable. Making tops that are more comfortable, more breathable, lighter, a better fit are all positives. Not sure why anyone would have an issue with that?

Would you suggest that we go back to the leather balls that double / triple in weight when they are wet? Maybe lose all the improvements in the playing surface too? Switch back to black, heavy boots?

The main innovations in ball design that Nike introduced were mainly with the goal of improving consistency - so the ball responded more consistently when hit by the player. The internal bladder used, the different layers of the ball casing itself, the shape and size of the panels (Nike had a patent for the size ratio between the pentagons and hexagons used to make the ball, for example). The goal was always to create as round a ball as possible.

Actually, this ball, the Geo Merlin was Nike's first ball that featured this patented ratio (hence the word GEO in its name):

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With regard to the visual design of the ball, they had traditionally been symmetrical in their pattern. With the T90 Aerow, Nike wanted a graphic design that would create flicker when the ball moved. Visual scientists found that this helped players see the ball earlier in its flight, and also were able to better judge its flight itself.

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This design became iconic and, not insignificantly, really stuck out in football pics that appeared in newspapers and online. This is one of the reasons why Nike was more or less happy to let adi keep the world cup ball deal. One, adi had a long-standing relationship with FIFA that was hard to break. But also, rather than have a ball that was visible once every 4 years for a month, they would rather have the ball used in the world's top football leagues season-in and season-out.

The design was slightly modified for the next design:

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The reason for this is that despite the ball being incredibly accurate when kicked, the downside to the original design was that when the ball rolled in a particular way, the graphic made the ball look like it was wobbling - which doesn't help your claims of it being accurate!

I personally love all the innovation and progress made with the technology - and will stay curious as to where it will evolve in the future.

On a linked note, leading up to the 2003 rugby world cup, I was working with the England Rugby Team and helping the Nike players find the right boots etc. I presented the Nike Free concept to Sir Clive Woodward as something to incorporate to help the players strengthen the intrinsic muscles of their feet. He was all over it - loved it. He said that one of the things they were doing was working with eye specialists to help the players train up the muscle related to their eyes. The thinking was even small things like that would help elevate the performance level of the players. It might only be a very minute difference, but at that highest level they can make a difference.
 
Will they need a yellow one come Winter? That one looks eye-catching enough.

They will do. The yellow / orange balls used to be used purely for snow games. But the reason for switching away from a white ball is because although a white ball stands out well against the green pitch, it is easily lost against a pale winter sky and also floodlights. The yellow / purple combination was found to have the highest contrast ratio across all the conditions they tested it.

The other vitally important component of all of this testing is the feedback from the players themselves and their own personal tests with the products.
 
They will do. The yellow / orange balls used to be used purely for snow games. But the reason for switching away from a white ball is because although a white ball stands out well against the green pitch, it is easily lost against a pale winter sky and also floodlights. The yellow / purple combination was found to have the highest contrast ratio across all the conditions they tested it.

The other vitally important component of all of this testing is the feedback from the players themselves and their own personal tests with the products.

I quite like yellow ball season, but it's like Christmas... it seems to get earlier year on year.
 
Most of the fabric innovations are not about making a player better, but making them more comfortable. Making tops that are more comfortable, more breathable, lighter, a better fit are all positives. Not sure why anyone would have an issue with that?

Would you suggest that we go back to the leather balls that double / triple in weight when they are wet? Maybe lose all the improvements in the playing surface too? Switch back to black, heavy boots?

The main innovations in ball design that Nike introduced were mainly with the goal of improving consistency - so the ball responded more consistently when hit by the player. The internal bladder used, the different layers of the ball casing itself, the shape and size of the panels (Nike had a patent for the size ratio between the pentagons and hexagons used to make the ball, for example). The goal was always to create as round a ball as possible.

Actually, this ball, the Geo Merlin was Nike's first ball that featured this patented ratio (hence the word GEO in its name):

6230055323_b373dc299b_b.jpg


With regard to the visual design of the ball, they had traditionally been symmetrical in their pattern. With the T90 Aerow, Nike wanted a graphic design that would create flicker when the ball moved. Visual scientists found that this helped players see the ball earlier in its flight, and also were able to better judge its flight itself.

t90aerow_7.jpg


This design became iconic and, not insignificantly, really stuck out in football pics that appeared in newspapers and online. This is one of the reasons why Nike was more or less happy to let adi keep the world cup ball deal. One, adi had a long-standing relationship with FIFA that was hard to break. But also, rather than have a ball that was visible once every 4 years for a month, they would rather have the ball used in the world's top football leagues season-in and season-out.

The design was slightly modified for the next design:

71IulgzDKzL._SL1500_.jpg


The reason for this is that despite the ball being incredibly accurate when kicked, the downside to the original design was that when the ball rolled in a particular way, the graphic made the ball look like it was wobbling - which doesn't help your claims of it being accurate!

I personally love all the innovation and progress made with the technology - and will stay curious as to where it will evolve in the future.

On a linked note, leading up to the 2003 rugby world cup, I was working with the England Rugby Team and helping the Nike players find the right boots etc. I presented the Nike Free concept to Sir Clive Woodward as something to incorporate to help the players strengthen the intrinsic muscles of their feet. He was all over it - loved it. He said that one of the things they were doing was working with eye specialists to help the players train up the muscle related to their eyes. The thinking was even small things like that would help elevate the performance level of the players. It might only be a very minute difference, but at that highest level they can make a difference.
Wow. You know a lot about balls.
 
I think thats how everyone starts out, until that moment when you find someone to do the fondling for you.
:lol: Sorry, it was an easy Rick & Morty quote. I actually did find your post very interesting, and as weird as it sounds written down, I am interested in footballs. I don't like the look of these ones but I guess there's a 'science' logic behind it, though I thought the Maxim and Seitiro ones were great visibility wise. The Seitiro Hi Vis is my favourite one to have played with.
 
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And these are the Serie A, La Liga and Premier League balls next to each other:

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They're certainly different, but I don't like them. Too much of all this in football what with flashy boots and now balls. The best Premier League ball was the 2002 one:
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I think we got off lightly compared to the pink and yellow, god they are vile.
 
Nike had a patent for the size ratio between the pentagons and hexagons used to make the ball, for example.

Now I may be missing something here, but I don't see how this ration can be changed? The sides of the hexagons have to be the same length as the sides of the pentagons, or it won't fit together, no?
 
Now I may be missing something here, but I don't see how this ration can be changed? The sides of the hexagons have to be the same length as the sides of the pentagons, or it won't fit together, no?

You may have a point...

Will have to try and dig out the paper. I do remember the ratio was 0.84.....but thats as far as my memory goes!
 

That is ugly and feck and childish looking, having said that, it wouldn't look out of place when paired with the horror that is our new jersey with that awful Chevy logo plastered on the front.
 
Jesus, I didn't realise there was so much maths and science behind footballs. Reading that article it's put together like mathematical research :lol:

Thats exactly what it is - looking for the mathematical formula that describes the most effective / efficient way to cover a sphere.

Ideally you want every part of the casing to be the same distance from the inflated bladder - otherwise the ball will respond differently depending on where abouts on the ball it is struck.
 
Make 'em play with one of them light-as-feck 50p balls that you got from the seaside shop to play with on the beach.