It's not like saying that, at all. Saying he's "not that good" is just plain wrong.
The situation is also vastly different from Hargreaves considering the extent of the injuries, their nature, and the amount of games played by both players.
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The situation is also vastly different from Hargreaves considering the extent of the injuries, their nature, and the amount of games played by both players.
Some transfers don't work out, if a club backs a manager they move on from them. See City and Pep, do you think all the signings Pep made in his first 2 seasons worked out?
Jose was never the right manager for United but we should stop pretending the club backs managers just because they make a few signings.
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Everything Mourinho ever says is self-serving to put himself in the best possible light. He's a narcissistic dickhead.
I love how he triggers so many people, for no apparent reason.
The interview did not reveal anything new about Jose or his time at United. And he was obviously going to big himself up, because he is looking for a new job.
The interview did not reveal anything new about Jose or his time at United. And he was obviously going to big himself up, because he is looking for a new job.
Which makes all his "best abilities" pointless. It was obvious years back, it is obvious now. He can't stay fit.
I don't rate him as some seem to, but if it is him that Mourinho's on about then it's referring to his professionalism rather than ability. I've no gripes with Shaw on that level from a fan's perspective.
I think his positioning is poor at times which is why he gets booked so often. It's after being caught out much of the time. Helps if he had a functioning team around him that didn't give the ball away as much, which he hasn't for a lot of his stay here, but even so I think that's quite a big hole in his game. It's not just yellow cards that his positioning costs, it's goals too. That's not me saying he's bad and we've had worse players by far over the duration of his time at United. I don't think he's top drawer though while being decent enough.
Cheers! I'll have a read now.
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The king of the Buffet, Luke Shaw.
So was Ronaldo in the Piers interview... so what?
Not sure i understand this take.
Mourinho arrived and we signed players for close to €200mill, not to mention the overall cost of Zlatan with his wages. We brought in Zlatan,Pogba, Mkhi and Bailly. Following season we spent similar amounts on bringing in Lukaku, Matic, Lindelof, and Sanchez. We did our outmost to sign Antoine Griezmann, at his request. We did our best to ship out whoever he wanted gone. We tried signing Perisic, but he didn't want to leave Inter at the time (according to himself). The not longer special one was backed to the hilt.
The higher ups only started to put their foot down on Jose's request at the end of his second season, and rightly so, after he wanted to replace his own signings with even more expensive players because they turned out to be rather crap. Rashford and Martial were enjoying a very good season, where they were pushing each other for the left wing spot, Jose was dead set on signing Sanchez in january and we shipped Mkhi, an expensive dud, the other way + a transfer fee, making Sanchez one of the best paid players in the league. He then instantly made Sanchez his first choice on the left wing, where he was a disaster for us, and Rashford and Martials form collapsed after they were reduced to fighting for the backup role to Sanchez.
Bailly was a failure, Lindelof wasn't very good, both of them expensive players, so now Mourinho insisted on Maguire, who would've easily cost more than he did when we signed him the following summer, who we could've signed for feck all when Hull got relegated and Mourinho first walked in the door and signed Bailly for close to €35mill (Maguire was signed for £12mill that summer). Mourinho's relationship with Pogba was getting worse and Lukaku wasn't exactly looking cheap either.
Mourinho was afforded support until it became obvious that he was a part of the problem and not the solution, which is the same for the vast majority of managers. Ten Hag, if he's still the manager, isn't going to be offered the same level of support, simply because there's going to be a lot more scrutiny, which is only natural on the basis of our performances this season.
Also, Willian was a fecking shitshow towards the end at Chelsea. It would've been an extremely expensive mistake to bring him to United, one that would've been difficult to rectify. Thank god we didn't sign him.
Shaw was atrocious for a whole season in 2021/2022, after having his best season. He was also really average in 2019/2020, that's why we bought Telles.
If anything, Shaw being unable to reach his 2021 level again, proved Jose was right. Only this year, he gets a pass due to injuries. But even at the beginning of the season he was underwhelming.
Feck the old faded cnuts, spent tonnes of millions and won't keep his mouth shut about his failures.
Fact that he has remained woeful since we allowed him to feck off prove he was a bad manager for us.
Everyone is driving the knife in, feck them lot
Fact that he has remained woeful since we allowed him to feck off prove he was a bad manager for us.
Everyone is driving the knife in, feck them lot
We got rid of the majority of players he wanted to get rid of.
Excuses for a rubbish manager. Remember Brentford? Their entire first choice back four were out, yet they still spanked us, what makes it even more embarrassing is us bringing on £350 million worth of substitutes in the second half.
And what has the back 4 got to do with us having zero shots on target at home for 50 minutes?
Keep up with the excuses for ETH. Man's not good enough.
Can’t believe there’s fans here that would have him back, even as interim.
As bad as things are, the worst period I have ever experienced in 40+ years as a fan was during Mourinho’s last few months. Completely toxic and narcissistic.
As bad as things are, the worst period I have ever experienced in 40+ years as a fan was during Mourinho’s last few months. Completely toxic and narcissistic.
Washed up manage using other failed managers for some validation.
Wish players were also open in their interviews talking about managers.
Wish players were also open in their interviews talking about managers.
It is interesting to see which big club will offer him a job next.
I agree with you that if Perisic and Willian joined United back then to provide services for Lukaku from both wings, United would probably perform a lot better in that season. These two players are also role model for being professional and would definitely help out on the culture of the dressing room.
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So I don't see the need to slander him.
He’s regularly over weight and downs tools when times get tough.
Spot on. Jose was right about a few things, he was also wrong about a few things and the club was also correct in dismissing him. Jose will do and say just about anything to absolve himself of blame.
I honestly believe that the reason why Real Madrid have been so successful in the CL in the last ten years is that they didnt buy into this "new football" crap.
Pressing has been around for a long time but is very risky when you play sides who your players are not vastly superior to as you are leaving space at the back by defending in the attacking third.
Thats why you see conservative sides continue to do better at the biggest stage - CL, WC and the likes.
I also do not see any evidence that this "new football" improves one's fortunes in domestic leagues. You will beat teams with higher scorelines when things go well, but domestic leagues are almost exclusively won by teams with most expensive squads. I have seen no evidence of the "new football" elevating sides in terms of league finishes.
So, no, I dont think the game has passed him by I think he did not buy into the hype and rightly so.
Pressing has been around for a long time but is very risky when you play sides who your players are not vastly superior to as you are leaving space at the back by defending in the attacking third.
Thats why you see conservative sides continue to do better at the biggest stage - CL, WC and the likes.
I also do not see any evidence that this "new football" improves one's fortunes in domestic leagues. You will beat teams with higher scorelines when things go well, but domestic leagues are almost exclusively won by teams with most expensive squads. I have seen no evidence of the "new football" elevating sides in terms of league finishes.
So, no, I dont think the game has passed him by I think he did not buy into the hype and rightly so.
And the thing about Martial is that he repeatedly took Rashford place up until Mourinho's sacking. Martial later struggled with injuries and has been useless due to being largely unavailable but was Mourinho right about a player that performed well enough to be a starter instead of one of his favorite?
Aye, mind boggling how there’s a few who actually wouldn’t mind him back again either
We’d be in an even worse place had we backed him more.
The amount of protection shaw gets on this forum always astounds me… he plays about 5 games a year. (Always manages to come back when another left back is threatening his position for some reason) Has two decent games, then he’s off again for another 6 months.. and we all have to talk wistfully about how badly we miss him.. I’d happily replace him with someone not made of polystyrene tbh
Aye, mind boggling how there’s a few who actually wouldn’t mind him back again either
Yeah, I'll never understand why anyone still wants him back, even for short term.
Hardly slander, the guy just said feck him
Points. He was 2nd with 81 points. Solskjaer was 2nd with 74.
There is more than one way to play football and it is absolutely fine to play a counter attacking system. The team however needs to be flexible enough to know how to play against teams that play with low block though. Pep has a lot of success with his tactics and lots of team are copying him at the moment, just like back then teams ditched 442 and copied Mou's 433 if I remember correctly.
To be fair they aren't wrong, no one finished 1st after him
I thought that it might be it. But it's important to keep in mind that point totals aren't actually relevant from one season to the other.
I think you're joining two things here. Im not claiming he wasn't back with money - but Perisic was supposedly to be signed in 2017, and mourinho has since said he believes woodward deliberately collapsed that deal. Im talking specificially about players that the club supposedly refused to sanction the release of: Shaw and Martial, (and potentially rashford along the line). This was a mistake and I think its undeniable. In 2018, only signign fred and dalot was a big mistake. We'd just finished second and the club showed a real lack of intent.
But it's all connected... No idea what Mourinho believes, not sure i care, but Perisic have been quoted quite a few times saying that he was flattered by the interest but he wanted to stay.
In hindsight it's obvious that we should have sold Shaw, Martial and most likely Rashford when their stock was at their highest, doesn't mean it was obvious at that specific time. 1,5 season into Ole's reign and it looked like it would've been madness to sell either of them. Good luck to whoever suggesting last summer that we should've sold Rashford. The lack in support of getting rid of young talented players also coincided with Mourinho gradually losing the plot
We didn't show a lack of intent, we were unsure of Mourinho's future and rightly so, therefore the willingness to spend insane amounts wasn't there. Mourinho signed Bailly and Lindelof for a combined fee of over £60mill, since they were dodgy as hell he wanted the latest shiny toy which happened to be Harry Maguire, who had spent two seasons at Leicester and was available for £12mill the season we signed Bailly. We entertained the idea and held talks with Leicester, but the fee they wanted was even more bonkers than what we ended up paying a year later. This was also after we spent the odd £30'ish mill on Sanchez and made him one of the highest paid players in the league, his best performance being the piano video.
Again, Mourinho will say whatever suits his own agenda and his agenda is obvious, just as he consistently tries to rewrite the past in terms of Salah and De Bruyne and what made them leave Chelsea.
The entire concept is either way daft, not even Guardiola gets every single player he wants the club to sign
I think you'll find he actually wrote the song for Aerosmith
He signed Lindelof and Dalot which got me thinking. Who did he sign that he did not play as much as you would expect?
LVG had Depay, although he did play him a lot initially.
Ole had Donny.
Sanchez & Mkhitaryan?
I’d have him back just for some excitement. I miss a manager that has some charisma! ETH puts me to sleep every time he talks.
I bet that he wouldn't be quiet about all these refs decisions against us.
Fred?
Forgot all about him. That was the one I was thinking of.