New backup striker?

Agree with all the people saying we don't need one.

Tons of our attackers can play upfront, both Martial and Rashford prefer it to playing on the wing. Rashford especially needs more games there as he seems to be regressing the more we use him out wide.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
Zlatan will probably leave by seasons end at latest so we'll need a backup for lukaku. Arguably we could use one now since zlatan is still recovering from his knee injury and lukaku isn't getting opportunities to be rested.

Personally I'd bring back one of the old lads who aren't currently in great demand. Hernandez isn't wanted at west ham and welbecks days at arsenal appear to be coming to an end. Seeing welbeck back if only to make up the numbers would be particularly nice.

We've also been linked with a move for vardy. Any thoughts opinions on who, if anyone we should sign?
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by a back up winger and permanently play Rashford upfront
 
This reminds me of last summer when people were saying we needed a new centre back. We play one centre forward and (when Sanchez arrives) we have four players who can play there. Personally, I don’t rate Lukaku but we aren’t buying a replacement for him this summer and it’s literally the last outfield position for which I think we need cover. Our focus should still be on midfield and wing improvements, possibly with thoughts on a fullback as well.
 
A younger Jermaine Defoe would’ve been ideal but cant think of anyone tbh

It’s definately not top priority anyway
 
While some may argue it isn't the best approach, or solution, I think we have the players to cover the position. Zlatan is there for now, but even once gone, we have the personnel to fill in the striker role if Lukaku is out. Martial, Rashford, or Sanchez can all be used there and I believe it'll be a rarity to see them on the pitch at the same time, bar a last 15 minute desperation if we need a goal. One of them will always be on the bench at least with Lingard, Mata, or us playing 433 to fill in the other position.

The reason I can see the need of a more 'out-and-out' reserve striker, is that our approach to this kind of cover can be somewhat questionable at full back. Other than Valencia, we haven't really had a settled full back or someone to bring in as a sub that can do the same job as Valencia. We've relied on many utility players such as Blind, Darmian, and Young to fill the void (until Shaw's return to form). The point stands still, if Young & Darmian/Blind are our alternatives to Valencia & Shaw. However, I think the quality of Rashford/Martial/Sanchez is much closer to that of Lukaku - while Blind & Darmian are nowhere near in comparison. They'll do a better job and not weaken us exactly.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Eh... I’m ok with the “lost time and energy” that earned me a big chunk of changes last month. So no, that definitely doesn’t mean I actually lost but am too dim to realise. The article is well-researched and makes some good points but the author comes across as VERY salty.
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beingshe7don said:
Was this guy one of the best strikers we've had or what?



Can't believe we got rid of him. In the recent past, he was the best we had and Lukaku needs to match this guy. Van Persie could create something out of nothing.

I'm hoping that Sanchez will have a similar impact. I know we already bought a 75m striker but I feel Icardi would truly suit us. If Real are after Kane, he could be available for us to pounce unless PSG think of replacing Cavani with Icardi.
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How good was this bloke...
 
Red_toad said:
Has no quality? Honestly some people just have no idea, if he had no quality he'd not a professional top flight footballer.
I suggest you return with a more open attitude when judging a player, he's great at link up play, he's very fast, physically strong and has a very good skill level. All that's really missing from his game is consistent end product and the ability to stay fit for extended periods.
You'll be one of those fans that wants half the squad gone I'm guessing?
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You're debating with me on Welbeck's quality.... You're a joke. It's people like you and your expectations that has left us in this mediocrity. Let me remind you that this is MANCHESTER UNITED. We've had players like Scholes, Beckham, Giggs, Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy, Van Persie, Cantona, Keane and so on represent us over the years. There's a certain standard that every United player that dons the United jersey is expected to meet.

Welbeck was never good enough. He was never good enough to play for United. Maybe for Everton but never for United. And I've been a fan since 1998, I've seen the team build, crumble and win and there are certain players that deserve to play and some that are not. Welbeck is not United quality and you my friend don't sound like a United fan since you lack the winning mentality. I wouldn't get rid of half of the squad but players like Herrera, Blind, Darmian are some of those that don't deserve to represent us. We could do much better.
 
We'd be more likely to sign another (actual) winger and give Martial, Rashford and Sanchez some time rotating with/covering for Lukaku.
 
beingshe7don said:
You're debating with me on Welbeck's quality.... You're a joke. It's people like you and your expectations that has left us in this mediocrity. Let me remind you that this is MANCHESTER UNITED. We've had players like Scholes, Beckham, Giggs, Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy, Van Persie, Cantona, Keane and so on represent us over the years. There's a certain standard that every United player that dons the United jersey is expected to meet.

Welbeck was never good enough. He was never good enough to play for United. Maybe for Everton but never for United. And I've been a fan since 1998, I've seen the team build, crumble and win and there are certain players that deserve to play and some that are not. Welbeck is not United quality and you my friend don't sound like a United fan since you lack the winning mentality. I wouldn't get rid of half of the squad but players like Herrera, Blind, Darmian are some of those that don't deserve to represent us. We could do much better.
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Yes bud you’re a footballing expert who’s view is all that matters. Carry on thinking anyone who disagrees with you is a joke. You silly little person.
 
beingshe7don said:
You're debating with me on Welbeck's quality.... You're a joke. It's people like you and your expectations that has left us in this mediocrity. Let me remind you that this is MANCHESTER UNITED. We've had players like Scholes, Beckham, Giggs, Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy, Van Persie, Cantona, Keane and so on represent us over the years. There's a certain standard that every United player that dons the United jersey is expected to meet.

Welbeck was never good enough. He was never good enough to play for United. Maybe for Everton but never for United. And I've been a fan since 1998, I've seen the team build, crumble and win and there are certain players that deserve to play and some that are not. Welbeck is not United quality and you my friend don't sound like a United fan since you lack the winning mentality. I wouldn't get rid of half of the squad but players like Herrera, Blind, Darmian are some of those that don't deserve to represent us. We could do much better.
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Presumably you've heard of park ji sung, Quinton fortune, jesper blomqvist and many others who weren't first choice but provided valuable backup?
 
Scholsey2004 said:
Presumably you've heard of park ji sung, Quinton fortune, jesper blomqvist and many others who weren't first choice but provided valuable backup?
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How can you even compare Park to Welbeck? Park was very lethal and had tonnes of energy and would run all over the place. Welbeck didn't do enough to make a difference in my opinion. You also need to realize that those days are gone when there were a handful of teams gunning to win the league. We currently have 6/7 teams who are actual contenders. Yes, City are far ahead but the teams are improving and we need to get better players in here to actually boost our chances of winning the league again.

Ask yourself how many of the top teams except for Arsenal would like to have Welbeck starting for them.
1. Real Madrid (Hell No)
2. Barcelona (Hell No)
3. PSG (Hell No)
4. Bayern Munich (Hell No)
5. Man City (Hell No)
6. Juventus (Hell No)
7. Liverpool (Don't think so) - Firmino is a far better player and even Sturridge would start ahead of him
8. Tottenham (Hell No)
9. Dortmund (Don't think so)
10. Athletico Madrid (Don't think so)
11. Chelsea (Probably not but given their pursuit of adding English strikers, maybe but he's probably never going to be first choice)

which brings me to Manchester United (Hell No). I'm not in the charity business. The players that you've mentioned earlier all happened to be midfielders/ defenders. Welbeck is a striker, he's expected to score goals and let's look at his record
Arsenal - 91 appearances in all competitions and 22 goals scored.
Geez, let me think... United have had issues with scoring goals recently.... that's right let's add Welbeck since he's such a "great goal scorer" and "poacher".

I'm perfectly fine with having Lingard over here in the team. He actually delivers when it matters and he may not have the quality of the greats but he's still a million times better than Welbeck.
 
With Sanchez, and possibly another winger in the summer, will mean we don't need a back up striker.

We have Martial and Rashford who can fill in if/when Lukaku is injured/rested.

Next season:

Left wing

Martial
Lingard

Right Wing

Sanchez
Malcom

Striker

Lukaku
Rashford

Rashford is a striker. If he's going to improve, we can't keep buying strikers and shoving him out to the wing. Yes, from time to time he'll have to play there, but he also needs games as a forward too. I mean, he's only had 3 games as a centre forward this season. Nowhere near enough, in my opinion.

The options above are move than enough to see us throughout a season - even with injuries. Loads of different variations too.
 
beingshe7don said:
How can you even compare Park to Welbeck? Park was very lethal and had tonnes of energy and would run all over the place. Welbeck didn't do enough to make a difference in my opinion. You also need to realize that those days are gone when there were a handful of teams gunning to win the league. We currently have 6/7 teams who are actual contenders. Yes, City are far ahead but the teams are improving and we need to get better players in here to actually boost our chances of winning the league again.

Ask yourself how many of the top teams except for Arsenal would like to have Welbeck starting for them.
1. Real Madrid (Hell No)
2. Barcelona (Hell No)
3. PSG (Hell No)
4. Bayern Munich (Hell No)
5. Man City (Hell No)
6. Juventus (Hell No)
7. Liverpool (Don't think so) - Firmino is a far better player and even Sturridge would start ahead of him
8. Tottenham (Hell No)
9. Dortmund (Don't think so)
10. Athletico Madrid (Don't think so)
11. Chelsea (Probably not but given their pursuit of adding English strikers, maybe but he's probably never going to be first choice)

which brings me to Manchester United (Hell No). I'm not in the charity business. The players that you've mentioned earlier all happened to be midfielders/ defenders. Welbeck is a striker, he's expected to score goals and let's look at his record
Arsenal - 91 appearances in all competitions and 22 goals scored.
Geez, let me think... United have had issues with scoring goals recently.... that's right let's add Welbeck since he's such a "great goal scorer" and "poacher".

I'm perfectly fine with having Lingard over here in the team. He actually delivers when it matters and he may not have the quality of the greats but he's still a million times better than Welbeck.
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You know all the teams on that list have squad players who aren't as good as the first choice don't you? And we had Dion Dublin, hernandez and a stack load of other forwards who weren't world class but played their part.
 
Red_toad said:
Yes bud you’re a footballing expert who’s view is all that matters. Carry on thinking anyone who disagrees with you is a joke. You silly little person.
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Haha... dude.... I am not the only person who thinks Welbeck is not a quality player and don't want him back. You could do a survey on the CAF if you wanted to.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
You know all the teams on that list have squad players who aren't as good as the first choice don't you? And we had Dion Dublin, hernandez and a stack load of other forwards who weren't world class but played their part.
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First of all, Welbeck cannot keep himself fit
Second of all, Chicharito was good under Fergie when we had world class forwards like Van Persie, Rooney, Berbatov with us. Who do we have at the moment? Lukaku... Yes, Ibrahimovic... Not really since he's not been available or hasn't done much and you want to add Welbeck. Give me a break.
Third, you need to wake up and stop living in the Fergie era, it's been 5 years since he left and we won the league and have not been anywhere close to winning it in that period of time.
 
Welbeck are you joking me? Couldn’t finish his dinner ffs. Martial, Sanchez and Rashford can all play up front when Lukaku is unavailable or needs a rest.
 
Eire Red United said:
Welbeck are you joking me? Couldn’t finish his dinner ffs. Martial, Sanchez and Rashford can all play up front when Lukaku is unavailable or needs a rest.
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Agreed. More than enough work to keep us busy with elsewhere; fullbacks and midfielders the priorities for the summer.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
Personally I'd say rashford and martial are competing for left wing and that neither is a dedicated striker. I don't think the second choice striker has to be great but he does need to be an actual striker. I don't remember us being successful with only one striker in the squad, we've always had a solskjaer or hernandez as backup.
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Think both of them are as good or better up front than on the wing depending on how we play. Rashford is more than good enough to be our back-up striker although he has been going through a poor spell as of late.
 
Can't believe people here want to get Welbeck back. Why do we need him when we have Martial and Rashford who are much better than him.
 
Infra-red said:
Agreed. More than enough work to keep us busy with elsewhere; fullbacks and midfielders the priorities for the summer.
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Yep Carrick/Fellaini need replacing as well as a Valencia back-up/ successor, hopefully TFM can make that RB position his own.
 
settembrini said:
Agree with all the people saying we don't need one.

Tons of our attackers can play upfront, both Martial and Rashford prefer it to playing on the wing. Rashford especially needs more games there as he seems to be regressing the more we use him out wide.
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Walters_19_MuFc said:
With Sanchez, and possibly another winger in the summer, will mean we don't need a back up striker.

We have Martial and Rashford who can fill in if/when Lukaku is injured/rested.

Next season:

Left wing

Martial
Lingard

Right Wing

Sanchez
Malcom

Striker

Lukaku
Rashford

Rashford is a striker. If he's going to improve, we can't keep buying strikers and shoving him out to the wing. Yes, from time to time he'll have to play there, but he also needs games as a forward too. I mean, he's only had 3 games as a centre forward this season. Nowhere near enough, in my opinion.

The options above are move than enough to see us throughout a season - even with injuries. Loads of different variations too.
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And which games would you actually start Rashford at center forward. From the games he started there, it was clear as daylight that he does not have what it takes to lead the line for United. Good that we could change things and brought Lukaku in between to salvage the situation. He is not going to be 20 goal striker no matter what. The best position for him is winger forward like we are playing him now. Give him that responsibility as center forward and he will crumble.

Regarding OP, we dont need another backup striker, we have options there. Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial and Rashford in order.
 
Welbeck and Hernandez :lol: feck off!

I think I'd just go with Rashford as backup for Lukaku - Rom is a fit guy and rarely get injured so yeah.
 
Swift Football said:
And which games would you actually start Rashford at center forward. From the games he started there, it was clear as daylight that he does not have what it takes to lead the line for United. Good that we could change things and brought Lukaku in between to salvage the situation. He is not going to be 20 goal striker no matter what. The best position for him is winger forward like we are playing him now. Give him that responsibility as center forward and he will crumble.

Regarding OP, we dont need another backup striker, we have options there. Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial and Rashford in order.
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No to welbeck
No to Hernandez
No to vardy

As mentioned we’ve lukaku , Rashford , Martial and Sanchez can do a job there ..I’d be thinking of a CM to play alongside matic and possibly a center back , I expect TFM to challenge Valencia next Season for the RB position.
 
Sign Lewandowski as back up...

Slightly pointless thread as we have Martial, Rashford and Sanchez that are more than capable of playing in that position for a run of games.
 
Rohith said:
Can't believe people here want to get Welbeck back. Why do we need him when we have Martial and Rashford who are much better than him.
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Danny Welbeck? Seriously?
 
Swift Football said:
And which games would you actually start Rashford at center forward. From the games he started there, it was clear as daylight that he does not have what it takes to lead the line for United. Good that we could change things and brought Lukaku in between to salvage the situation. He is not going to be 20 goal striker no matter what. The best position for him is winger forward like we are playing him now. Give him that responsibility as center forward and he will crumble.
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He obviously wouldn't 'crumble' seeing as it's the position he wants to play and his best form for United has come when he was played there.

All his poor performances on the wing have made people forget how special he looked in his breakout season as a striker. Even last season when he spent the vast majority of his games out wide his best performance came when he was upfront against Chelsea. I would much rather see him develop there than continue to regress as a winger.
 
Red_toad said:
All that's really missing from his game is consistent end product and the ability to stay fit for extended periods
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I mean, that's akin to saying all that's really missing from a defender's game is his ability to defend. If you can't score and create as a striker on a regular basis, you're not a very effective striker.
 
settembrini said:
He obviously wouldn't 'crumble' seeing as it's the position he wants to play and his best form for United has come when he was played there.

All his poor performances on the wing have made people forget how special he looked in his breakout season as a striker. Even last season when he spent the vast majority of his games out wide his best performance came when he was upfront against Chelsea. I would much rather see him develop there than continue to regress as a winger.
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Forget one off performance against Chelsea who played with absurdly high line that game, I struggle to remember his top performances. I wonder how many MOTM performaces he got in your so called purple patch. His best form for United was not good enough. And if Rashford feels he needs gametime playing as center forward and he is not getting those game time here, nobody is stopping him to go somewhere else to try out.

I do not know why many on here consider here special, he lacks technical ability to be a striker at a top team. I am all for keeping him and developing him, but not at the cost of points. That means he has to start as wing forward and realizes all the players surrounding him are superior to him and make a 'pass' for once! in this current form, he is rapidly becoming Welbeck- just added pace and reduced link up play.
 
Don't think it's a backup striker we need. Martial and Sanchez can play up front. I'd rather sign a player like Mahrez for the wing.
 
Rashford is the perfect man for the job of providing cover for Lukaku. And in all seriousness, has enough potential to push Lukaku out being first choice within a year. He may not get his chances and even if he does he may botch them but Rashford at 20 looks a better prospect than Lukaku did at the age.

No to Welbeck and Chicharito, full stop.
 
What a bizarre thread. We have Rashford who is naturally a striker. Then we have Martial and Sanchez who are both top level strikers, and people seriously ask if we need a backu-up striker.
 
We need another attacker that can play across the line.
 
The question is what happens if Lukaku is seriously injured? Do we really need a backup striker or we can find a decent work-around? I lean towards the latter as we are going to have a bunch of very versatile, fluid attackers in Alexis, Martial, Rashford, Lingaard, Pogba and to lesser extent Mata. It's not that Lukaku is the focal point of our attack now and his (or any other striker) influence will only be lower once Sanchez and co start to get going.
After all, we are not [rich] Stoke, are we?
 
Swift Football said:
Forget one off performance against Chelsea who played with absurdly high line that game, I struggle to remember his top performances. I wonder how many MOTM performaces he got in your so called purple patch. His best form for United was not good enough. And if Rashford feels he needs gametime playing as center forward and he is not getting those game time here, nobody is stopping him to go somewhere else to try out.

I do not know why many on here consider here special, he lacks technical ability to be a striker at a top team. I am all for keeping him and developing him, but not at the cost of points. That means he has to start as wing forward and realizes all the players surrounding him are superior to him and make a 'pass' for once! in this current form, he is rapidly becoming Welbeck- just added pace and reduced link up play.
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Why would I forget his performance vs. Chelsea? They did nothing unusual that game, played their standard system, and Rashford gave a great performance, you can't just pretend it didn't happen because you don't like the idea of him being a good striker.

When he was consistently played as a striker by Van Gaal he managed 4 MOTM awards across 18 games, the only player who did better then was Martial with 5.

This is why people consider him special. Because he came into a team as a teenager and instantly looked like one of our best players, because he wrecked the defence of the team that won the league at a canter. Because he has tremendous physical attributes, more skill than most and an attitude that has been constantly praised by his coaches and team mates.

Your point about him 'becoming Welbeck' is why we should stop playing him on the wing. It was fine for a while to allow him to gain experience but he has gone past that point now and it seems to be harming his development. I know his decision making at the moment is frustrating but it's also understandable. Think how hard is must be to get so good at football you can play as a striker for a team like United, at 18 years old. Then imagine doing that and subsequently being told to be equally as good as a winger. He's failing at something which is incredibly hard and which a club with our resources shouldn't even need him to do. You are a very harsh critic if you hold that against him.
 
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