NCAA College Football 2017/2018

Can't see Ohio State getting in with that massive blowout at Iowa, though that said they may leapfrog Alabama in the final rankings with a win over Wisconsin.

feck 'em all. Just let Central Florida in.
 
Can't see Ohio State getting in with that massive blowout at Iowa, though that said they may leapfrog Alabama in the final rankings with a win over Wisconsin.

feck 'em all. Just let Central Florida in.

Honestly I'd be cool with letting UCF in. Undefeated gunslinger team, plus it's not fair to shut out the G5.

Bama can get fecked with that weak schedule they played.
 
I imagine this guy never thought the highlight of his life would be rubbing rubber bits into fake grass on national television.
 
feck Bama

But yeah, I think they'll get in. Auburn have to feel bad though, they waxed both Alabama and Georgia, and Alabama didn't even win their division
 
feck Bama

But yeah, I think they'll get in. Auburn have to feel bad though, they waxed both Alabama and Georgia, and Alabama didn't even win their division
But they were both at home. Georgia showed if you take away that home field advantage things can be totally different. Choosing between Bama and Ohio State is like picking whether you want to chop off a ball or put out an eye but since my wife's from Alabama and I'd like to keep the peace gotta go with the Tide. ....and I can't stand Urban Meyer, so there's two reasons.
 
Congrats. Well played tonight. You guys have to be favorites to go all the way.
Thanks man. I honestly was scared to death of that game going in to it.

I dunno what I’ll do if we win back to back. I thought I’d never see one at all.
 
Can't see Ohio State getting in with that massive blowout at Iowa, though that said they may leapfrog Alabama in the final rankings with a win over Wisconsin.

feck 'em all. Just let Central Florida in.

Hell yeah. Now there’s a post with some sense if I’ve ever read one.
 
Ohio State fans were complaining on ESPN comments section that a school that didn't win it's division or conference shouldn't get into the playoffs. They were rightfully called out for forgetting last year's playoff selection.
 
Ohio State fans were complaining on ESPN comments section that a school that didn't win it's division or conference shouldn't get into the playoffs. They were rightfully called out for forgetting last year's playoff selection.

That's sport's equivalent of the YouTube comments section. Plus, I was all for Penn State making it in last year.
 
So we get to face one of Saban's Bama, an SEC team with a strong running game in Georgia, or an Urban Meyer team we humiliated at home. Perhaps followed by a Clemson team that has been humiliating us in the postseason.

Fanfeckingtastic.
 
Good call allowing Bama in. Its hard to make a case that they are not one of the four best teams in college football, so the final four will be best served with their inclusion.
 
Bama for the 3rd year in a row. We go again!

A Clemson vs Georgia national title game would be epic for this part of the country. We already don’t like each other.

I have to say, I was speaking to my wife and brother last night about the fact that we are getting to watch either A) the golden era of Clemson football or B) the era where Clemson establishes itself as a “traditional” elite program.

I’m pretty damn happy with either.
 
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"They lost to Iowa"

Iowa is actually a fecking good team. I hate the national press.

I'm also not sure why I would be perfectly content with Auburn or Miami pipping OSU to the playoff.
 
Iowa is a bang average side every year. Ohio State shouldn't be losing to Iowa, and certainly not by 31 points.

These things happen. Oklahoma lost to Iowa State. Clemson lost to Syracuse, and Miami to Pitt. I'm willing to accept OSU not being in the playoff, but Alabama? Weak schedule, near loss to Miss St and the loss to Auburn... not sure how anyone can argue they're a top 4 team with a straight face.
 
These things happen. Oklahoma lost to Iowa State. Clemson lost to Syracuse, and Miami to Pitt. I'm willing to accept OSU not being in the playoff, but Alabama? Weak schedule, near loss to Miss St and the loss to Auburn... not sure how anyone can argue they're a top 4 team with a straight face.

In OSU's case, they had 2 losses and one of them was by blowout to an unranked team. That really hurt their chances imo. If OSU had two really close losses then there may have been a chance.

As for Bama - they are one of the best teams in the country so if anyone was going to receive heavy consideration for the last spot it was them.
 
These things happen. Oklahoma lost to Iowa State. Clemson lost to Syracuse, and Miami to Pitt. I'm willing to accept OSU not being in the playoff, but Alabama? Weak schedule, near loss to Miss St and the loss to Auburn... not sure how anyone can argue they're a top 4 team with a straight face.

The only comparable, or worse loss, was Oklahoma losing to Iowa State in Stillwater which was inexcusable for a national title contender. Clemson lost their starting QB late in the first half at Syracuse, most likely a different outcome seeing as they were down three points when Bryant was hurt; I'll give them a pass on that fluke. Miami skirted by numerous opponents all season, were never as good as their record indicated, and any other season they're probably 9-3/8-4 based on performances.

Yes, Alabama didn't play much of a schedule and the SEC West was down this season (minus Auburn) but they did smash two ranked sides* (#3 Florida State and #19 LSU), lucked out against another (#18 Miss State), while losing to one ranked side - #7 Auburn on the road (3-1 vs ranked sides overall).

Ohio State was dominated by a #2 Oklahoma in Columbus, smashed by nonranked Iowa on the road, and skirted by #9 Penn State (which was a good win for rankings and SOS). They did smash #18 Michigan State side as well, puts them at 2-1 vs ranked sides*. And yes, they won their conference which is always a big plus in my view, beating #6 Wisconsin (who hadn't played anyone of note either, beating #20 Northwestern as their lone "top quality" win). If counting the conference title game, Ohio State went 3-1 vs ranked sides*.

Funny how Buckeye fans felt they were deserving last season when not winning their division/conference. For the record, I despise both fan bases, the most self-entitled twats around (no offense to anyone on this board that supports either school). They come off as the US college version of Barca and Liverpool fans.

*ranked sides at the date of the game not final ranking
 
These things happen. Oklahoma lost to Iowa State. Clemson lost to Syracuse, and Miami to Pitt. I'm willing to accept OSU not being in the playoff, but Alabama? Weak schedule, near loss to Miss St and the loss to Auburn... not sure how anyone can argue they're a top 4 team with a straight face.
Top 4 on merit or ability is the question. They'd be favored over any team left in the CFB, and rightly so.
 
Interesting article on playoffs and Alabama. Perhaps change will come again in due time? I do believe an eight team playoff would be best, though it could be argued sixteen would be the ideal number and open up to the lesser conferences.

---The question is whether the people in charge of the other leagues will do something about it like they did in December 2011. The last time Alabama got a chance to play for a national title without winning its division, college football’s power brokers responded by creating the playoff. Will they respond the same way this time?---

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/12/03/alabama-ohio-state-playoff-rankings-format-rules
Will the Alabama Outrage Spur More Changes to College Football's Format?

By Andy Staples
December 03, 2017

The day after Alabama was placed into the BCS title game against LSU instead of Oklahoma State, I was in New York to interview all of the commissioners, athletic directors and coaches who gather this week every year for the National Football Foundation’s Hall of Fame dinner. Leagues use this opportunity to gather their ADs to shape policy, and the Big 12 held such a meeting on that Monday.

As I chatted with people in the lobby of the Waldorf-Astoria, someone from the Big 12 approached. The league is having a reception upstairs. You really should go up there. When I arrived, I saw the league’s entire power structure. Everyone I spoke to told me off the record that what happened to Oklahoma State could not stand, and they were going to do something about it. In an informal poll of the ADs that day, the majority had supported a four-team playoff. The ACC and SEC had already come out in support of such a system, so the math was easy. College football was about to change, and from that moment came the playoff that we’ve spent the last four seasons arguing about.

Did we witness a similar moment Sunday?

The only certainty leading into Sunday was that the College Football Playoff selection committee would do something it hadn’t done before. Either it was going to place a two-loss team in the playoff, or it was going to place two teams from the same league in the playoff. One of those would bother college football’s power structure a lot more than the other. All along, more people were worried about one league providing half the playoff field than a team with two losses making the playoff. That the league providing two teams this year is the SEC and the team that squeezed in ahead of the Big Ten champion is Alabama will only add to the angst. The question is whether the people in charge of the other leagues will do something about it like they did in December 2011. The last time Alabama got a chance to play for a national title without winning its division, college football’s power brokers responded by creating the playoff. Will they respond the same way this time?

The committee did exactly what it was told on Sunday. The members chose what they believed were the four best teams based on what they had seen this season. Clemson, Oklahoma and Georgia were easy choices. But would Alabama or Ohio State get the last spot?

If they were choosing the most deserving teams based on résumé, they might have chosen Ohio State. But the committee’s charge is to choose the four best teams. That gave Alabama the edge. Why? Try this mental exercise, which almost certainly was used in the committee room. Who has a better chance to beat Clemson: Ohio State or Alabama? Who would win if the two teams played: Ohio State or Alabama? Most people who watched college football this season would have answered Alabama for both questions. Those questions produce the best, even if the best isn’t necessarily the most deserving based on résumé.

The problem this season is that neither Ohio State nor Alabama had an impeccable résumé. Ohio State’s two best wins (Penn State and Wisconsin) were better than Alabama’s single best win (LSU). But Ohio State lost by 15 at home to No. 2 seed Oklahoma (bad but forgivable) and lost by 31 at Iowa, which finished 7–5 and unranked. “More damaging was the 31-point loss to unranked Iowa,” committee chair Kirby Hocutt told ESPN on Sunday. Alabama, meanwhile, didn’t win its own division, didn’t have a signature non-conference win—because Florida State went 6-6—and lost to the best team it played (Auburn). But the committee chose the Crimson Tide because the Tide stand a better chance against Clemson than Ohio State does. “The selection committee believed Alabama was the better football team,” Hocutt said.

Hopefully committee members did not consider last year, when Ohio State got shut out by Clemson in the Fiesta Bowl and Alabama took Clemson into the final minute in the national title game. The committee is only supposed to consider the current season, though it would be tough to block out the difference between those two games. It might also be possible they considered 2014, when the committee had to choose between Ohio State, Baylor and TCU for the No. 4 spot. In that year, Ohio State had the best chance of those three to actually win the playoff. And that’s exactly what the Buckeyes did. Alabama is in the same boat this year. With a few weeks to get healthy, Alabama has a roster that can go toe-to-toe with all three of the other teams in the field.

This was going to happen at some point. Either one league would get two teams into the playoff—thus leaving out two Power 5 conference champions—or Notre Dame would get in—thus leaving out two Power 5 conference champions. I used to favor a move to eight teams, but I’ve since changed my mind. This is more fun to argue about for 11 months. It’s also more fun to watch the people who run college football lose their minds when they realize they created a system that is guaranteed to stiff their own leagues.

So now three Power 5 conferences have been left out of the playoff entirely. (The Big Ten’s champion was left out last year, but Jim Delany and company didn’t complain because non-division winner Ohio State made the field.) Only the SEC and the ACC—the two leagues that fought for a four-team playoff before anyone else did—will have played in every one. And now the SEC—the league the other leagues feared would place multiple teams in the playoff—has done just that.

When the lords of college football met multiple times in 2012 to hammer out the details of the playoff, most of the arguments were about criteria. Because the wounds from Oklahoma State getting left out of the BCS title game in favor of Alabama were so fresh, some commissioners demanded language be placed in the selection criteria to keep this from happening. But they weren’t powerful enough. Committee members were recommended to weigh conference titles heavily, but they weren’t commanded to do it. Last year, had the votes fallen slightly differently, the Big Ten would have been the first league to place two teams into the playoff with Ohio State and Penn State. But instead it’s the SEC with Georgia and Alabama, and that could make all the difference.

When the power brokers meet in New York to go over the season, will they want changes? Would they demand conference champions make the playoff? This might be a popular idea with fans, but every commissioner will wonder if he’s potentially taking away a playoff spot in the future for one of his own teams.

Would some of them push to expand the playoff to six or eight teams? A six-teamer could feature the Power 5 conference champs and a wild card (Alabama this year or Ohio State last year, for example). An eight-teamer could feature the Power 5 conference champs, the highest ranked Group of Five conference champ and two wild cards. But there would be fights over when the games are played. There also would be arguments about lengthening the season for athletes whose compensation doesn’t change regardless of how long they play. Also, having two wild card slots could have sucked the drama from some of those championship games, which are moneymakers for the leagues.

There is no solution that will make everyone happy, and that’s the point. The strife, chaos and conflict created by this system keep everyone engaged all year. We might be just as engaged if more teams made the playoff, but that would be a risk. We’ll see if the non-SEC leagues are mad enough to take any such risk after Alabama once again usurped one of their own.
 
I do believe an eight team playoff would be best, though it could be argued sixteen would be the ideal number and open up to the lesser conferences.
I think a larger field works for FCS because of the larger number of conferences and teams.

With a smaller field of teams, I just don’t see there being more than 8 teams in FBS with a legit shot at a national title.
 
Interesting article on playoffs and Alabama. Perhaps change will come again in due time? I do believe an eight team playoff would be best, though it could be argued sixteen would be the ideal number and open up to the lesser conferences.

---The question is whether the people in charge of the other leagues will do something about it like they did in December 2011. The last time Alabama got a chance to play for a national title without winning its division, college football’s power brokers responded by creating the playoff. Will they respond the same way this time?---

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/12/03/alabama-ohio-state-playoff-rankings-format-rules
Will the Alabama Outrage Spur More Changes to College Football's Format?

By Andy Staples
December 03, 2017

The day after Alabama was placed into the BCS title game against LSU instead of Oklahoma State, I was in New York to interview all of the commissioners, athletic directors and coaches who gather this week every year for the National Football Foundation’s Hall of Fame dinner. Leagues use this opportunity to gather their ADs to shape policy, and the Big 12 held such a meeting on that Monday.

As I chatted with people in the lobby of the Waldorf-Astoria, someone from the Big 12 approached. The league is having a reception upstairs. You really should go up there. When I arrived, I saw the league’s entire power structure. Everyone I spoke to told me off the record that what happened to Oklahoma State could not stand, and they were going to do something about it. In an informal poll of the ADs that day, the majority had supported a four-team playoff. The ACC and SEC had already come out in support of such a system, so the math was easy. College football was about to change, and from that moment came the playoff that we’ve spent the last four seasons arguing about.

Did we witness a similar moment Sunday?

The only certainty leading into Sunday was that the College Football Playoff selection committee would do something it hadn’t done before. Either it was going to place a two-loss team in the playoff, or it was going to place two teams from the same league in the playoff. One of those would bother college football’s power structure a lot more than the other. All along, more people were worried about one league providing half the playoff field than a team with two losses making the playoff. That the league providing two teams this year is the SEC and the team that squeezed in ahead of the Big Ten champion is Alabama will only add to the angst. The question is whether the people in charge of the other leagues will do something about it like they did in December 2011. The last time Alabama got a chance to play for a national title without winning its division, college football’s power brokers responded by creating the playoff. Will they respond the same way this time?

The committee did exactly what it was told on Sunday. The members chose what they believed were the four best teams based on what they had seen this season. Clemson, Oklahoma and Georgia were easy choices. But would Alabama or Ohio State get the last spot?

If they were choosing the most deserving teams based on résumé, they might have chosen Ohio State. But the committee’s charge is to choose the four best teams. That gave Alabama the edge. Why? Try this mental exercise, which almost certainly was used in the committee room. Who has a better chance to beat Clemson: Ohio State or Alabama? Who would win if the two teams played: Ohio State or Alabama? Most people who watched college football this season would have answered Alabama for both questions. Those questions produce the best, even if the best isn’t necessarily the most deserving based on résumé.

The problem this season is that neither Ohio State nor Alabama had an impeccable résumé. Ohio State’s two best wins (Penn State and Wisconsin) were better than Alabama’s single best win (LSU). But Ohio State lost by 15 at home to No. 2 seed Oklahoma (bad but forgivable) and lost by 31 at Iowa, which finished 7–5 and unranked. “More damaging was the 31-point loss to unranked Iowa,” committee chair Kirby Hocutt told ESPN on Sunday. Alabama, meanwhile, didn’t win its own division, didn’t have a signature non-conference win—because Florida State went 6-6—and lost to the best team it played (Auburn). But the committee chose the Crimson Tide because the Tide stand a better chance against Clemson than Ohio State does. “The selection committee believed Alabama was the better football team,” Hocutt said.

Hopefully committee members did not consider last year, when Ohio State got shut out by Clemson in the Fiesta Bowl and Alabama took Clemson into the final minute in the national title game. The committee is only supposed to consider the current season, though it would be tough to block out the difference between those two games. It might also be possible they considered 2014, when the committee had to choose between Ohio State, Baylor and TCU for the No. 4 spot. In that year, Ohio State had the best chance of those three to actually win the playoff. And that’s exactly what the Buckeyes did. Alabama is in the same boat this year. With a few weeks to get healthy, Alabama has a roster that can go toe-to-toe with all three of the other teams in the field.

This was going to happen at some point. Either one league would get two teams into the playoff—thus leaving out two Power 5 conference champions—or Notre Dame would get in—thus leaving out two Power 5 conference champions. I used to favor a move to eight teams, but I’ve since changed my mind. This is more fun to argue about for 11 months. It’s also more fun to watch the people who run college football lose their minds when they realize they created a system that is guaranteed to stiff their own leagues.

So now three Power 5 conferences have been left out of the playoff entirely. (The Big Ten’s champion was left out last year, but Jim Delany and company didn’t complain because non-division winner Ohio State made the field.) Only the SEC and the ACC—the two leagues that fought for a four-team playoff before anyone else did—will have played in every one. And now the SEC—the league the other leagues feared would place multiple teams in the playoff—has done just that.

When the lords of college football met multiple times in 2012 to hammer out the details of the playoff, most of the arguments were about criteria. Because the wounds from Oklahoma State getting left out of the BCS title game in favor of Alabama were so fresh, some commissioners demanded language be placed in the selection criteria to keep this from happening. But they weren’t powerful enough. Committee members were recommended to weigh conference titles heavily, but they weren’t commanded to do it. Last year, had the votes fallen slightly differently, the Big Ten would have been the first league to place two teams into the playoff with Ohio State and Penn State. But instead it’s the SEC with Georgia and Alabama, and that could make all the difference.

When the power brokers meet in New York to go over the season, will they want changes? Would they demand conference champions make the playoff? This might be a popular idea with fans, but every commissioner will wonder if he’s potentially taking away a playoff spot in the future for one of his own teams.

Would some of them push to expand the playoff to six or eight teams? A six-teamer could feature the Power 5 conference champs and a wild card (Alabama this year or Ohio State last year, for example). An eight-teamer could feature the Power 5 conference champs, the highest ranked Group of Five conference champ and two wild cards. But there would be fights over when the games are played. There also would be arguments about lengthening the season for athletes whose compensation doesn’t change regardless of how long they play. Also, having two wild card slots could have sucked the drama from some of those championship games, which are moneymakers for the leagues.

There is no solution that will make everyone happy, and that’s the point. The strife, chaos and conflict created by this system keep everyone engaged all year. We might be just as engaged if more teams made the playoff, but that would be a risk. We’ll see if the non-SEC leagues are mad enough to take any such risk after Alabama once again usurped one of their own.

I think the argument of the ambiguity fueling the excitement/passion around this time of year is valid. 5 years ago the conversation would have been mute; the BCS championship would be a single game between Oklahoma and Clemson (who am I kidding, they would "quality loss" Georgia in at the expense of either 1). Now the notoriety is what people crave for. You lose that if you expand the playoffs to include every Power 5 champion, the best G5 team, and 2 outliers. I think change, if any, will be slow in coming. It'll take more than 1 season of a non-champion team getting in to rock the boat sufficiently enough.

New Year Six' bowl schedule:

Dec 29
Cotton Bowl: tOSU vs USC

Dec 30
Fiesta Bowl: Penn State vs Washington
Orange Bowl: Wisconsin vs Miami

Jan 1
Peach Bowl: UCF vs Auburn
Rose Bowl semifinal: Georgia vs Oklahoma
Sugar Bowl semifinal: Alabama vs Clemson

Jan 8
National championship (I have Clemson taking it over Oklahoma).
 
These sexual assault / harassment allegations are out of control. It might get our 2nd best skill position player banned from the playoffs.

Normally I side with the alleged victims in these instances, but this Rodney Anderson business is highly suspect to say the least...