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NCAA College Football 2017/2018
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here are alabamas recruiting rankings since nick saban arrived
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what is more likely: alabama's "run is nearing an end" despite being undefeated and #1 in the polls or you not following college football that closely and frantically googling to try and back up your claims
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what is more likely: alabama's "run is nearing an end" despite being undefeated and #1 in the polls or you not following college football that closely and frantically googling to try and back up your claims
Frantically googling sounds like what you're doing.
Bama's great classes all happened during the time when Miami was down and/or under probation. They cannot be successful when Miami are competitive since they can't get top south florida talent and then have to find it elsewhere. And now they are dealing with a rising Clemson which they haven't had to deal with for decades.
There's no top talent in California, Ohio, and Texas?
This article on the 2008-14 classes reflects most of Saban's recruits coming from Alabama and Georgia with Florida third and most of those talents coming from the panhandle and northern parts; only four recruits from South Florida (I presume Orlando/Tampa is considered central). He also raids Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas considerably. Would be good to find a similar article/map on 2015-2017 classes.
I don't see how Miami becoming good will end Alabama's run, seems irrational wishful thinking from a fanatic. Georgia, Texas, LSU, et al would have just as massive an impact, with Georgia being the direct rival to recruits on present form, proximity, and conference affiliation.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/articl...ecruiting-maps-history-nick-saban-bear-bryant
This article on the 2008-14 classes reflects most of Saban's recruits coming from Alabama and Georgia with Florida third and most of those talents coming from the panhandle and northern parts; only four recruits from South Florida (I presume Orlando/Tampa is considered central). He also raids Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas considerably. Would be good to find a similar article/map on 2015-2017 classes.
I don't see how Miami becoming good will end Alabama's run, seems irrational wishful thinking from a fanatic. Georgia, Texas, LSU, et al would have just as massive an impact, with Georgia being the direct rival to recruits on present form, proximity, and conference affiliation.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/articl...ecruiting-maps-history-nick-saban-bear-bryant
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Top California talent is pretty shut down among California schools. Texas talent is generally subsumed by TX and OK schools and same with OH and Ohio Schools. Obviously top schools who are peaking in form can also get random players from other states but that's much more difficult.
Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields are the top two recruits in the country this year and are both from GA - one is going to Clemson and other to UGA. In fact Clemson and UGA currently have 4 of the top 10 players in the country already committed to them. The U currently have one and may get another in the top 10 - so that's 6 out of the top ten players in the country potentially going to just 3 schools.
this is hilarious. clemson isnt even in the same conference. saban has dealt with florida auburn lsu and georgia for his entire time with alabama.
here is every player from south florida in sabans time at alabama.
08 - 4* QB Star Jackson
09 - 4* DE Ed Stinson
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12 - 4* WR Amari Cooper
13 - 3* WR Eddie Jackson
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15 - 5* WR Calvin Ridley, 4* DB Shawn Burgess
16 - 3* CB Aaron Robinson
17 - 4* DB Daniel Wright, 5* WR Jerry Juedy, 4* LB Vandarius Cowan, 4* DE Jarez Parks
So 12 players in 10 years.
- Parks has yet to play a down
- Vandarius Cowan has played a dozen snaps this year
- Juedy has 12 catches
- Daniel Wright has mostly played special teams
- Robinson transferred to UCF
- Ridley is a great player
- Burgess transferred to UCF
- Eddie Jackson was a great player
- Amari Cooper was a great player
- Ed Stinson had 1 second team all sec yaer
- Star Jackson transferred to Georgia State
What we really have is 3 great players (Jackson Cooper and Ridley) and one good rotation player (Jackson). And yet Saban "cannot be successful" when Miami are competitive. It's amazing. Do you ever just admit you are wrong?
Wow....more frantic googling! Well done indeed.
All of the above happened after Miami was out of the game (which happened around 2004/05). Its obvious that the likes of Saban, Meyer et al would achieve success during that period, including regular access to Miami's recruiting territory. Also, what happens to the players once they get to Bama is irrelevant here - the point is Bama had access to great south florida talent during Miami's lean years.
None of this is true. California's top 10 prospects last year had 5 stay in California. Texas's top 10 prospects last year had 0 stay in state and 1 go to Oklahoma. Ohio's top 10 prospects last year had 4 stay in California.
you literally are incapable of admitting that you are wrong on anything. its incredible.
if you said this sentence to anyone who knows college football they would laugh in your face
"They cannot be successful when Miami are competitive since they can't get top south florida talent"
Depends on how the big programs are doing at the time. When the big schools are doing relatively well they will have their choice of local talent.
Nick Saban has 4 national championships and 6 conference championships in 8 years but Mark Richt squeaks out wins against 4-6 FSU, 5-5 georgia tech, 4-7 syracuse and 3-8 north carolina and suddenly its all over. alabama cannot be successful anymore.
You coughed up a laundry list of players Bama recruited while Miami were either on probation or in some sort of scholarship decifit. That proves nothing. Have a look at the past 40 years or so and you'll see that excepting 1992, its very rare that both schools are at the top at the same time.
i actually really like mark richt by the way. always the classiest coach in the sec, never engaged in oversigning and seems like a genuinely good guy.
you said alabama cannot be successful because they cant get top south florida talent. i showed you that alabama isnt dependent on south florida talent to be successful. just accept that you are wrong. its okay. we all pay more attention to some things than others.
Saban is a great coach, but that doesn't mean his success is open ended. Also, Miami and Bama have up to now had a comparable SoS so all things said, they are pretty even at the moment.
No, you actually showed me that Alabama have consistently recruited south florida talent during Miami's lean years. Great work, but you still have all your work ahead of you in terms of proving Bama haven't benefited from SoFla talent from 2005 to 2017.
consistently recruited except for the fact that they got no one 33% of the time.
They certainly got enough to make a difference which is all that counts.
they dont. they recruit texas and california and georgia but no one is ridiculous enough to say they cannot succeed because kirby smart is doing well this year
That would make sense if the State of Georgia had put out the amount of talent South Florida has in recent decades. When a program is dominant it can reach into the recruiting areas of traditionally good schools who happen to be going through a lean period at the moment and Bama have done that successfully, just as Miami did in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s. It is however much more difficult to do that when the balance of power is even between both schools. Bama's luck in South Florida will gradually dissipate with the Canes in the top 10, since recruits will be more amenable to staying home. This isn't just about Bama either. The likes of FSU, UF, Louisville, LSU et al have all benefited nicely at UM's expense in recent years.
even if we accept all that, it doesnt mean alabama cant be successful. they won the national championship in 09 and 11 with ed stinson as the only south florida player on the roster!
Well done to Bama for winning the NC with only one SoFla player!!
The dynasty however is not going to last indefinitely.
sure but you accept that alabama can be competitive without south florida players then
Of course they can be competitive. They can't sustain a dynasty however when the U are competing for NCs each year. There's too much talent in SoFla for that to happen with any regularity.
I'm a Miami fan who was hoping Eboue could provide me with some sort of irrefutable information that Bama's dynasty will continue indefinitely during a period when Miami are also competing for NCs and Bama no longer has access to South Florida athletes.
They won't have access? All schools have access.
Surely your argument is Miami will win the recruiting battle in that region. But can Miami win the recruiting battle outside Florida? Florida recruits alone aren't going to win national titles just like Alabama hasn't relied on South Florida recruits to become dominant (as the link I posted further up displays).
Alabama, Georgia and Miami fans need to hope Chip doesn't set up shop in Gainesville.
Surely your argument is Miami will win the recruiting battle in that region. But can Miami win the recruiting battle outside Florida? Florida recruits alone aren't going to win national titles just like Alabama hasn't relied on South Florida recruits to become dominant (as the link I posted further up displays).
Alabama, Georgia and Miami fans need to hope Chip doesn't set up shop in Gainesville.
They don't have to win it anywhere other than in South Florida and get the occasional one offs from elsewhere in and out of state. The richness of talent in Dade, Broward, Palm Beach and a few surrounding counties (anywhere south of Orlando) is generally enough to form the spine of a NC winning team. It is therefore very difficult for Bama to be dynastically dominant at a time when Miami is doing the same thing, because the U will have a lock on Florida talent, thereby depriving Bama of recruits they would ordinarily help themselves to when Miami is not in the picture. I realize there are other schools in the mix, but for the sake of keeping it simple I used Bama as the independent variable that would be affected the most if Miami is at or near the top. If you were to expand things beyond Bama, Miami having a lock on South Florida would've meant they landed Amari Cooper, Dalvin Cook, Teddy Bridgewater, Patrick Peterson, Lamar Jackson and many others who left home to play elsewhere.
Sounds like Kelly is going to UCLA...
https://247sports.com/college/ucla/Article/Sources-Chip-Kelly-Has-Made-His-Decision-110912956
https://247sports.com/college/ucla/Article/Sources-Chip-Kelly-Has-Made-His-Decision-110912956
Correct decision from a lifestyle standpoint; wrong decision from a professional one.
Sorry @Raoul but Bama under Saban are always going to be on top. Saban is the Fergie of college football and until he retires Bama will compete every year for the SEC and NC titles.
I never thought he would be that great, I saw his LSU lose to Tennessee in 2001 and thought he was just a decent coach then. As much as I dislike Alabama and their fans (imagine the dippers if they started winning titles again) he is probably one of the best coaches in NCAA history. I cant say the same about Richt who had talent rich Georgia teams every year but couldnt dominate.
I never thought he would be that great, I saw his LSU lose to Tennessee in 2001 and thought he was just a decent coach then. As much as I dislike Alabama and their fans (imagine the dippers if they started winning titles again) he is probably one of the best coaches in NCAA history. I cant say the same about Richt who had talent rich Georgia teams every year but couldnt dominate.
Watch this space
@Raoul let’s see if Miami can win a NC or at least challenge for it followed by another year of similar success before we start claiming they’ve got the hold back on south Florida. It’s still Bama’s perch for now.
Isn't Texas a heavy recruiting ground as well? Alabama probably have first dibs there. But there's only so many players you can recruit every year.
I'd be surprised if Miami wins the NC this year. They may make the play offs which would be impressive for a team that hasn't finished in the top 25 in 8 years. This year's incoming class will be one of the best ever at the U, so I wouldn't expect to see that played out in the ranking until next year and the year after.
Miami will lose today. Horrible performance.
Shambolic performance. Now I have to turn into a Bama fan to make sure Auburn doesn't sneek in.
shocking performance.. almost as bad as ND at Miami
Well that changes things.
Now, Tigers, learn a lesson from what Miami did today. Don’t be looking down the road to next week. Beat the hell out of the Gamechickens first.
Now, Tigers, learn a lesson from what Miami did today. Don’t be looking down the road to next week. Beat the hell out of the Gamechickens first.
I have to pray that Bama beat Auburn tomorrow.
Although I can't imagine a realistic scenario where a one loss ACC champ doesn't get in.