Well he isn't even a shooting guard, so there's that.
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Well he isn't even a shooting guard, so there's that.
Wade? Yes he is, and someone just mentioned on the other page that he's the 3rd best behind MJ and Kobe.
Chris Paul.
He's obviously a Point guard, I was talking about Wade.
Out of curiosity who is your favourite team?
Pistons
I don't mean to disrespect your opinion, but first of all, shooting guards are more influential than point guards.
Second, Wade is one of the best guards of all time, and had he not been hit with injuries he would have had an even greater career. (He could have very well won that title in 2005 had it not been for his rib injury against the Pistons in game 5 or 6 iirc).
He also has proven himself to be able to lead a team to a championship. He didn't have a "great team" in 2006. Even Shaq was 32 and starting to decline. He willed his team to the championship like we rarely saw any other player do in the recent years. You can only compare him to Kobe, and imo Kobe had better teams.
Chris Paul is a great point guard, and a very good player, but a leader? I haven't seen that yet. He has a great team right now, can he will his team to some glory? If he can then may be the conversation can begin about him and Wade, even though I have to say, at the moment Griffin is considered the main man in the Clippers, and he might even be selected MVP if things go on the way it has gone in the regular season.
EDIT: and by the way, forgot to mention, Wade is a better defender imo than Chris Paul.
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Wade had a great supporting cast in 2006. Joe DeRosa, Bennett Salvatore and Crawford all stepped up big time.
Durant is the clutch-est player right now. Period.
That was just unbelievable by Durant! Un-be-lievable!
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Over-time!
@ the commentator saying "why leave Perkins in? He's not an offensive player", ends up hitting the tying buzzer beater.
@ the commentator saying "why leave Perkins in? He's not an offensive player", ends up hitting the tying buzzer beater.Wow. What a game! Can't believe OKC still lost. Vert harsh on Durant.
Don't think it will have much impact on the series though.
Don't think it will have much impact on the series though.
Sam Jones (10 titles with the Celtics), George Gervin, Clyde Drexler, Dr. J, Paul Pierce, whichever of Clyde Frasier and Earl "The Pearl" Monroe you want to call the 2, Joe Dumars, John Havlicek...
Yup, he's definitely up there with them.
And by the way, Wade and Pierce played in the same era, so I can comfortably say that Wade is a better player than Pierce, and if I had to choose one of the two I'd definitely pick Wade.
Half time in LA. Clippers up 26.
Griffin with 21, only Clipper in double digits.
Griffin with 21, only Clipper in double digits.
Clippers destroy the Warriors in game 2 with a 40-point blowout!
Griffin leading the way with 35 points (13 for 17!) in 30 minutes.
Griffin leading the way with 35 points (13 for 17!) in 30 minutes.
But we're not talking about Kidd at 28, or Nash at 28. We're talking about the impact and legacy of Kidd, the impact and legacy of Nash, and the impact and legacy of Paul. Doesn't matter what Kidd or Nash achieved at a certain age, or what Paul may or may not achieve in the future. We don't rank players based on projected achievements or potential situations had this or that hadn't happened. If you're gonna make a case for Paul being better than Kidd or Nash, he'd better be better than them right now. All we know is what we've seen, and from what we've seen, Paul can't get it up once the regular season is over. If Chris Paul ever steps up in the post-season, then I will rethink my stance. He now has a really good team around him, including another superstar in Griffin. But until he does step up, nothing will change. However amazing your stats and skills are, if you can't ever get past the second round of the play-offs, then there's a major doubt in your place in history.
And lets not forget, even though Nash never won a ring, he at least got to the Conference Finals more than the once, with "subpar teammates" and playing in a "loaded conference".
Oh come on, give the Grizzlies some credit here, they were outstanding yesterday.
This series will go to 7 games. I'm sure of that.
Not saying otherwise. They were great, and the series could go to 7, but I just can't see them beating the Thunder.
My prediction before the start of the playoff was actually 4-2 Thunder. Even before the series started.
Fair enough. I think the Thunder will squeak by in 7. I thought it would be sooner before yesterday's game.
Congratulations @KeninDC .. I'll cheer for you guys in the next round against Indiana.
Thanks @Danny1982. I'm sort of in shock. We've been good on the road all year-but didn't expect this. Back to DC up 2-0. Gotta to sleep now.
Not so hard though, I have a feeling you'll be doing it more when Chris Paul doesn't make the Conference Finals again.
If they don't then it will be a big failure for Paul imo, because he's not even the best player on the team right now.
Preseason preditions:
We all made at least 1 terrible prediction
We all made at least 1 terrible prediction
No, my predictions were accurate. I can't help it if the NBA's conspiracy to keep the Pistons down went into overdrive.
Got to include the Knicks pick too, they were a mess.Preseason preditions:
We all made at least 1 terrible prediction
Everybody likes to over-estimate Miami..Preseason preditions:
We all made at least 1 terrible prediction
This Miami-Bobcats series isn't going to be competitive at all. I can see Miami losing a game purely because they don't care, but no more than 1 game.
In regards to the CP3 discussion earlier I think he's a great player that's overrated. He puts up better offensive numbers than many of the great point guards, but his style of play lends itself to that. He dominates the offense completely when he's playing which is going to lead to him putting up great assist numbers and shooting numbers as well. It is interesting to note that the Clippers went 13-7 without him this season during one of the more difficult stretches of their schedule. They need Paul to win and while he's the unquestioned best player and first option on the team he needs to defer more often to Blake Griffin at times. If the Clippers lose again in the first round this season he will be facing a ton of criticism.
Defensively he's not even on the same level as Jason Kidd was in his prime. Kidd was a big point guard with the quickness to stay in front of opposing point guards and big enough to shift over and be comfortable defending most shooting guards in the league. Kidd was as good as Paul at playing passing lanes to get steals, but was infinitely better as a help defender and as a man to man defender. Paul has routinely been destroyed by Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams and other elite point guards in his time in the league. Kidd had the benefit of playing in an era with fewer great point guards, but even when matched up against them held them below their averages.
Paul is a good defensive player, but his selections to All-NBA First Team Defenses are akin to footballing awards given to high profile players over deserving ones. Kobe Bryant has a number of First Team Defense selections later in his career that he had no business being a part of but was selected for due to his reputation. This year Lowry, Conley, Beverley and Hinrich are all better starting defensive pg's. Reggie Jackson is also a better defensive player, but has moved back to the bench since Westbrook came back for OKC.
In regards to where Dwyane Wade ranks as an all time shooting guard I think when his career is over he'll be ranked as the 4th best shooting guard of all time behind Jordan, Kobe and West who is criminally underrated by people today. West was one of the toughest players ever in a much more physical era in the NBA. He is one of the 5 most clutch players in the history of the league, respected universally by his peers and is literally the logo of the NBA. He is the only player in the history of the NBA to be named Finals MVP when his Lakers lost in 1969 to the Celtics.
Wade's peak years from 2006-2010 were fantastic as one of the most complete players in the game capable of excelling in all phases of the game scoring, passing, rebounding and defending. From 2010 onwards when teamed up with Lebron he has visibly declined in his ability to consistently dominate and take over games. He was still an invaluable member on these last 2 championship teams, but he was clearly second fiddle to Lebron. Health seems to have slowed him down a bit so that while he is still a top-5 player at his position he has to be managed very carefully by the coaching staff to ensure his health and he also rarely maxes out except for big games and late game situations.
Defensively he's not even on the same level as Jason Kidd was in his prime. Kidd was a big point guard with the quickness to stay in front of opposing point guards and big enough to shift over and be comfortable defending most shooting guards in the league. Kidd was as good as Paul at playing passing lanes to get steals, but was infinitely better as a help defender and as a man to man defender. Paul has routinely been destroyed by Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams and other elite point guards in his time in the league. Kidd had the benefit of playing in an era with fewer great point guards, but even when matched up against them held them below their averages.
Paul is a good defensive player, but his selections to All-NBA First Team Defenses are akin to footballing awards given to high profile players over deserving ones. Kobe Bryant has a number of First Team Defense selections later in his career that he had no business being a part of but was selected for due to his reputation. This year Lowry, Conley, Beverley and Hinrich are all better starting defensive pg's. Reggie Jackson is also a better defensive player, but has moved back to the bench since Westbrook came back for OKC.
In regards to where Dwyane Wade ranks as an all time shooting guard I think when his career is over he'll be ranked as the 4th best shooting guard of all time behind Jordan, Kobe and West who is criminally underrated by people today. West was one of the toughest players ever in a much more physical era in the NBA. He is one of the 5 most clutch players in the history of the league, respected universally by his peers and is literally the logo of the NBA. He is the only player in the history of the NBA to be named Finals MVP when his Lakers lost in 1969 to the Celtics.
Wade's peak years from 2006-2010 were fantastic as one of the most complete players in the game capable of excelling in all phases of the game scoring, passing, rebounding and defending. From 2010 onwards when teamed up with Lebron he has visibly declined in his ability to consistently dominate and take over games. He was still an invaluable member on these last 2 championship teams, but he was clearly second fiddle to Lebron. Health seems to have slowed him down a bit so that while he is still a top-5 player at his position he has to be managed very carefully by the coaching staff to ensure his health and he also rarely maxes out except for big games and late game situations.
Houston are experiencing problems.
Nailed it.
Nailed it.
Home teams (who are seeded higher as well) are 7 and 9 through the first 2 games of the playoffs. And it could have been worse had Al Jefferson not hurt his foot.
Still expect the higher seeded teams to go through (apart from Houston and Chicago), but we might see many close series in the first round.
Still expect the higher seeded teams to go through (apart from Houston and Chicago), but we might see many close series in the first round.
So Lebron had his nose broken earlier this year, and now this (which was only called a common foul (!!), although I'm pretty sure the league will change it when they review it).
Yes McRoberts, we know you're just a coward scrub who can only stop James this way.
Yes McRoberts, we know you're just a coward scrub who can only stop James this way.
So you can't even elbow a guy in the throat anymore? What is this sport coming to?
Basketball? Fake "tough" guys can always go play kickboxing, wrestling, or somewhere where his "toughness" can actually be tested.
I don't think he can take James' elbow in his throat if James really wanted to hit him, but James doesn't do that, because he doesn't suck at Basketball.
McRoberts is actually pretty good. A big man that can shoot the three and pass well.
Pretty ridiculous attempt to defend, deserved a flagrant. Shouldn't be suspended tho imho.
Surprisingly athletic too.
Could be construed as an attempt to te real his nose so he couldn't play the next games?
If so he missed pretty badly. Probably meant to give him the forearm in the chest and James didn't get much lift as he'd already been fouled.