NBA 2016-17

Moby said:
A tireless ball hogging scoring machine wearing the gold and purple? Needed.
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Itd be the worst adaption of Kobe.

Maybe it's the United fan in me, but I'd love to see the young core blossom together. Get an all-star leader there that's younger but old enough to take the slack. Get that team to peak for when LeBron retires at 44 years old.
 
Bubz27 said:
Itd be the worst adaption of Kobe.

Maybe it's the United fan in me, but I'd love to see the young core blossom together. Get an all-star leader there that's younger but old enough to take the slack. Get that team to peak for when LeBron retires at 44 years old.
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You're being a bit harsh now. :nono:

You do have a young team already + Lonzo so it would definitely have to be them developing well for you lot to go forward, they would love to play around someone like Russ though while giving him far better support than that cancer of a franchise. Russ and Lonzo can be a great backcourt depending on how Lonzo's shooting develops, but regardless he will put plenty of buckets on a plate for Russ. It would be a pretty good deal, all in all.
 
Moby said:
You're being a bit harsh now. :nono:

You do have a young team already + Lonzo so it would definitely have to be them developing well for you lot to go forward, they would love to play around someone like Russ though while giving him far better support than that cancer of a franchise. Russ and Lonzo can be a great backcourt depending on how Lonzo's shooting develops, but regardless he will put plenty of buckets on a plate for Russ. It would be a pretty good deal, all in all.
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Maybe. But Russ couldn't win with Ibaka and KD. I don't think he'd be win with Ingram and D'Lo.

I'd rather let the team grow more organically and fit the best fit.
 
Bubz27 said:
Maybe. But Russ couldn't win with Ibaka and KD. I don't think he'd be win with Ingram and D'Lo.

I'd rather let the team grow more organically and fit the best fit.
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Well, he was at a different stage then, and KD was clearly the alpha in the team. I agree him, and the rest of them, really fecked up when they were leading Warriors 3-1 last year. Who know though, after the historic season he's had, he can now propel a franchise with the support being there.

It's a bit hypothetical anyway, Paul George is more likely to land there and that's pretty great in itself.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
I just hate the idea of trading IT , the guy is a legit star and to trade him at this stage for a prospective star makes no sense to me
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I agree. You can't just put 28 teams on stand-by until the Warriors and Cavs fade away. The Celtics finished first seed, are in the conference finals, and have plenty of potential for further improvement. This is not the time to rebuild. Yes, it would be very hard to win in the next few years but you can't just give up without a fight. Add Butler or PG to that team and, with a bit of luck, everything is possible. Also, rebuilds rarely go as planned and success is far from certain.

Moreover, I think there would be riots on the streets of Boston if IT is traded after those playoffs. And rightly so.
 
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I'd have booted that self-righteous, no talent hack right off my set for being like that towards my female co-host (granted, I'd never have a never has been like him on my show). But Cowherd has no balls and doesn't give a shit - all about driving hits and ratings to his show/site. He used to be a good listen but has gone more the "loudest elephant in the room" route.
 
Knicks got the 8th pick, they'll prob pick Dennis Smith but you never know with Phil. Lonzo's dad is putting a lot of pressure on him. That's a lot of money down the drain if he doesn't play well and the shoes don't sell.
 
Game 1 of the east finals tonight. Am I the only person who thinks this will be a close series? Cleveland have looked dominant but this Celtics team is good and they have home court.
 
Freedom Aluteni said:
Game 1 of the east finals tonight. Am I the only person who thinks this will be a close series? Cleveland have looked dominant but this Celtics team is good and they have home court.
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Cleveland up 61-39 at Halftime. Saw 5 minutes and switched to news.
 
Freedom Aluteni said:
Knicks got the 8th pick, they'll prob pick Dennis Smith but you never know with Phil. Lonzo's dad is putting a lot of pressure on him. That's a lot of money down the drain if he doesn't play well and the shoes don't sell.
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I have been convinced for a while that the Knicks will end up with Frank Ntilikina. I have already talked myself into that pick.
 
Moby said:
Well, he was at a different stage then, and KD was clearly the alpha in the team. I agree him, and the rest of them, really fecked up when they were leading Warriors 3-1 last year. Who know though, after the historic season he's had, he can now propel a franchise with the support being there.

It's a bit hypothetical anyway, Paul George is more likely to land there and that's pretty great in itself.
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In what way? IMO Westbrook is clearly the alpha between the two. The system tried to thrust Durant into that role but his and Westbrook's personalities wouldn't really let it happen.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
I have been convinced for a while that the Knicks will end up with Frank Ntilikina. I have already talked myself into that pick.
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If Knicks have the chance to get Dennis Smith, they should absolutely go for it. Kid is a special talent and if this draft was not so PG heavy, he'd be going in top 5 comfortably. Right now Fultz, Ball and Fox are considered better prospects but I won't be surprised at all if Smith ends up being the best of them (maybe behind Fultz but he definitely has the potential to be better than Ball and Fox).

There will be a big difference between 7 and 8 this season IMO, unlucky for Knicks to go a spot lower in the lottery. Fultz, Ball, Jackson and very likely Tatum (would be shocked if he doesn't) will go before 8th pick. That leaves you with Isaac, Fox and Smith as top NCAA prospects, and if you are picking 7th you are sure that you will see at least one of them fall to you. What Knicks have to be counting on is that somebody takes Monk, Markkanen or Ntilikina before. It's actually not that far fetched that someone will take a chance on Monk (or at a push Markkanen) before 8th pick. I very much doubt anyone will take Ntilikina before.

Ntilikina would be a reach at 8. Don't think he's worth that. If Isaac, Smith and Fox are off the table, take Monk (Markkanen makes no sense as he's basically a worse Porzingis).

If I were Knicks I'd probably consider trading Anthony for some later picks, I guess given current circumstances he'd waive his no-trade clause and agree to go pretty much anywhere. Not sure what they can get back but anything would do now I feel. Maybe Minnesota or Orlando would appreciate his veteran presence and would go for Anthony + 2018 1st for their picks from this year, if this also helped them dump some salary (Biyombo for Orlando for instance). That Knicks 2018 pick would probably be top 5 if they end up without any serious veteran presence this season and are lining up with Isaac (taken with the other pick), Smith and Porzingis as main players.

Alternatively, and as a Portland fan I DON'T WANT that to happen, they can offer Carmelo for Crabbe + no. 20 pick. Crabbe is better than shooting guards which New York have, and additional pick would be handy. Portland would probably prefer Carmelo for another 2 years to Crabbe for 3.
 
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Sarni said:
If Knicks have the chance to get Dennis Smith, they should absolutely go for it. Kid is a special talent and if this draft was not so PG heavy, he'd be going in top 5 comfortably. Right now Fultz, Ball and Fox are considered better prospects but I won't be surprised at all if Smith ends up being the best of them (maybe behind Fultz but he definitely has the potential to be better than Ball and Fox).

There will be a big difference between 7 and 8 this season IMO, unlucky for Knicks to go a spot lower in the lottery. Fultz, Ball, Jackson and very likely Tatum (would be shocked if he doesn't) will go before 8th pick. That leaves you with Isaac, Fox and Smith as top NCAA prospects, and if you are picking 7th you are sure that you will see at least one of them fall to you. What Knicks have to be counting on is that somebody takes Monk, Markkanen or Ntilikina before. It's actually not that far fetched that someone will take a chance on Monk (or at a push Markkanen) before 8th pick. I very much doubt anyone will take Ntilikina before.

Ntilikina would be a reach at 8. Don't think he's worth that. If Isaac, Smith and Fox are off the table, take Monk (Markkanen makes no sense as he's basically a worse Porzingis).

If I were Knicks I'd probably consider trading Anthony for some later picks, I guess given current circumstances he'd waive his no-trade clause and agree to go pretty much anywhere. Not sure what they can get back but anything would do now I feel. Maybe Minnesota or Orlando would appreciate his veteran presence and would go for Anthony + 2018 1st for their picks from this year, if this also helped them dump some salary (Biyombo for Orlando for instance). That Knicks 2018 pick would probably be top 5 if they end up without any serious veteran presence this season and are lining up with Isaac (taken with the other pick), Smith and Porzingis as main players.

Alternatively, and as a Portland fan I DON'T WANT that to happen, they can offer Carmelo for Crabbe + no. 20 pick. Crabbe is better than shooting guards which New York have, and additional pick would be handy. Portland would probably prefer Carmelo for another 2 years to Crabbe for 3.
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I'll give my opinion as a Knicks fan.

I think Dennis Smith jr is a very talented player but I think for what the Knicks need (right now) getting Frank Ntilikina might be a better choice as crazy as it sounds. He is very good defensively and boy do we need defense. This next season we need to get the ball in Porzingis hands more, as he was basically a sitting duck far too much this past season with Rose and Melo. And with Ntilikina he will allow that to happen. He does need work on his shooter but that can come in time and isn't a huge concern to me. Dennis Smith having 2 knee surgeries already is a concern to me. The last thing the Knicks need is an injury prone borderline superstar.

But I think who we draft depends alot on what happens with Melo. If Melo leaves then I can see the case more for Smith as he is a better scorer and we would need to re-allocate the points Melo usually scores onto someone else. If Melo stays then it has to be Ntilikina.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
I'll give my opinion as a Knicks fan.

I think Dennis Smith jr is a very talented player but I think for what the Knicks need (right now) getting Frank Ntilikina might be a better choice as crazy as it sounds. He is very good defensively and boy do we need defense. This next season we need to get the ball in Porzingis hands more, as he was basically a sitting duck far too much this past season with Rose and Melo. And with Ntilikina he will allow that to happen. He does need work on his shooter but that can come in time and isn't a huge concern to me. Dennis Smith having 2 knee surgeries already is a concern to me. The last thing the Knicks need is an injury prone borderline superstar.

But I think who we draft depends alot on what happens with Melo. If Melo leaves then I can see the case more for Smith as he is a better scorer and we would need to re-allocate the points Melo usually scores onto someone else. If Melo stays then it has to be Ntilikina.
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Isn't it pretty certain that you trade Carmelo though? That's why I reckon you need another potential superstar and I don't feel like Ntilikina can become one. Smith looks like Westbrook lite to me, you have to take a player like him if he is available.

I think you should also draft the best player available. If that's Jonathan Isaac but you feel you need a point guard, trade down or take Isaac anyway. Knicks are not in position where they are likely to win for the next 2-3 years anyway. You own your 2018 pick so it won't be the end of the world if you struggle for 1 more year and get a good piece for it. Or as I said, flip that pick for a 2017 pick to someone who wants to wait and perhaps do not need another player now. Denver, Minnesota and maybe Orlando would be main trade partners. Or Miami if they feel like taking Carmelo, they have no. 14 and you might still have OG, Jackson or Zach Collins available there.
 
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Sarni said:
Isn't it pretty certain that you trade Carmelo though? That's why I reckon you need another potential superstar and I don't feel like Ntilikina can become one. Smith looks like Westbrook lite to me, you have to take a player like him if he is available.

I think you should also draft the best player available. If that's Jonathan Isaac but you feel you need a point guard, trade down or take Isaac anyway. Knicks are not in position where they are likely to win for the next 2-3 years anyway. You own your 2018 pick so it won't be the end of the world if you struggle for 1 more year and get a good piece for it. Or as I said, flip that pick for a 2017 pick to someone who wants to wait and perhaps do not need another player now. Denver, Minnesota and maybe Orlando would be main trade partners. Or Miami if they feel like taking Carmelo, they have no. 14 and you might still have OG, Jackson or Zach Collins available there.
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It's likely we trade him. But the problem for him is that right now it doesn't look like their is alot of takers for him. For every passing trade window he stays his stock is being lowered. Add to the fact he won't just leave for the sake of it. He will only waive the NTC for a contender, and when you look at possible contenders that realistically get him now there is only really the Clippers who I feel would potentially do it. Even with that though it depends on what they do with blowing up their own roster. So it's a bit of a messy situation at the moment. I think it will hit breaking point soon though and Phil will force Melo out.

I'm more for keeping our draft pick for next year as I think we will have a tough year coming up next season regardless and are likely to be around the same position, so that will give us another highish draft pick. Problem is, the longer we are rubbish their is less chance of Porzingis staying.
 
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JoaquinJoaquin said:
It's likely we trade him. But the problem for him is that right now it doesn't look like their is alot of takers for him. For every passing trade window he stays his stock is being lowered. Add to the fact he won't just leave for the sake of it. He will only waive the NTC for a contender, and when you look at possible contenders that realistically get him now there is only really the Clippers who I feel would potentially do it. Even with that though it depends on what they do with blowing up their own roster. So it's a bit of a messy situation at the moment. I think it will hit breaking point soon though and Phil will force Melo out.

I'm more for keeping our draft pick for next year as I think we will have a tough year coming up next season regardless and are likely to be around the same position, so that will give us another highish draft pick. Problem is, the longer we are rubbish their is less chance of Porzingis staying.
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Porzingis does not really have much choice for the next 6 years though, does he? Still contracted until 2019 and after that he'll still be a restricted free agent and you will match whatever offer he gets (and it will be a max deal). Unless he wants to accept qualifying offer for 2019-20, he will have to stay until about 2022 or 2023 anyway. Worst case, he leaves in 2020 after accepting qualifying offer and not extending, thus becoming an unrestricted free agent, which is still 3 years away.

Clippers will be able to take Anthony if they don't resign one of Paul and Griffin but in that case they won't be a contender. Truth be told, there are two contenders currently and these are Warriors and Cavaliers. Spurs are borderline contenders, the rest are nowhere near good enough to win championships. Maybe Cavaliers would take Anthony as he's friends with LeBron but it'd require sending a lot of salary back and they don't really have any valued assets to give back in return, they don't even have any picks to trade because they've traded them all (the day LeBron retires that franchise is going to be properly fecked).
 
Moby said:
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If Lowry leaves Toronto he's going to the West.
 
Kaos said:
If Lowry leaves Toronto he's going to the West.
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You mean San Antonio? That's the only possible destination for him.

I think he stays in Toronto. He won't win a ring there but he won't win a ring anywhere else either during the length of his next contract.
 
Sarni said:
Porzingis does not really have much choice for the next 6 years though, does he? Still contracted until 2019 and after that he'll still be a restricted free agent and you will match whatever offer he gets (and it will be a max deal). Unless he wants to accept qualifying offer for 2019-20, he will have to stay until about 2022 or 2023 anyway. Worst case, he leaves in 2020 after accepting qualifying offer and not extending, thus becoming an unrestricted free agent, which is still 3 years away.

Clippers will be able to take Anthony if they don't resign one of Paul and Griffin but in that case they won't be a contender. Truth be told, there are two contenders currently and these are Warriors and Cavaliers. Spurs are borderline contenders, the rest are nowhere near good enough to win championships. Maybe Cavaliers would take Anthony as he's friends with LeBron but it'd require sending a lot of salary back and they don't really have any valued assets to give back in return, they don't even have any picks to trade because they've traded them all (the day LeBron retires that franchise is going to be properly fecked).
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If Phil hadn't given Noah that ridiculous deal, they would have loads of cap space in what is a loaded free agent class. I can see Boston giving up players and a future first rounder for Melo, especially after Lebron lays the smackdown on them. I would also call the Lakers, maybe they'd give up Ingram, Clarkson, Young and a pick for Melo. In any scenario, Phil messed up by giving Melo the no trade clause if he wasn't 100% sure about him because Melo genuinely wants to succeed in New York. All Phil's yapping isn't going to change that.
 
Freedom Aluteni said:
If Phil hadn't given Noah that ridiculous deal, they would have loads of cap space in what is a loaded free agent class. I can see Boston giving up players and a future first rounder for Melo, especially after Lebron lays the smackdown on them. I would also call the Lakers, maybe they'd give up Ingram, Clarkson, Young and a pick for Melo. In any scenario, Phil messed up by giving Melo the no trade clause if he wasn't 100% sure about him because Melo genuinely wants to succeed in New York. All Phil's yapping isn't going to change that.
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Nah, Boston won't care about Melo. They will go all the way for Griffin and Hayward in free agency and if it doesn't work out, they will offer max deals to Cousins and George next season. They are such an attractive place to be currently that there's zero point taking a 32-year old Anthony.

Same with Lakers, they'll be keeping their money to go after George and Cousins next year (not a chance they get a high profile free agent this year).

Agree about Noah deal. It's possibly the worst contract in the league where Bazemore, Crabbe and Turner all make north of $17M a year.
 
Sarni said:
You mean San Antonio? That's the only possible destination for him.

I think he stays in Toronto. He won't win a ring there but he won't win a ring anywhere else either during the length of his next contract.
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Toronto might let him go to be able to afford someone like Paul George. Corey Joseph has been pretty solid tbh.
 
Kaos said:
Toronto might let him go to be able to afford someone like Paul George. Corey Joseph has been pretty solid tbh.
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Toronto are not getting Paul George. In fact they should probably try building through draft a little more but they are in a position where they won't really get high picks for a considerable while.

George is going to LA next year. If that fails, then Boston.
 
He missed some games but, I would Paul on the second team, move Thomas to the Third and take off Derozan. And I would probably take Green off for Hayward or George. Other than that no real complaints.
 
Looks pretty good to me. I'd make some changes, personally, but they're all minor and subjective.
 
So someone is claiming they'll be "better in Game 2" of Celtics-Cavs........LeBron. RIP Celtics.
 
Hayward also lost out on some money. I would flip Davis and Gobert and have Gasol instead of Deandre but other than that, no complaints.
 
I can't prevent myself from thinking that Boston was really a false seed one to start with.

Cavs probably let them take this seed. If Cavs had any interest in taking seed one they would have taken it easily. Most probably they wanted to take the easier route and let Celtics meet Bulls and Wizards.

Celtics should have never entered this playoffs as a seed one.
 
Embarrassment.

They should've just allowed the Wizards to play the Cavs.
 
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