NBA 2016-17

Really hope the Cavs sweep Boston so they can be as well rested as possible. I expect Warriors to cruise past the Spurs with Leonard possibly out for a large amount of the series (definitely not 100% even if he does come back). Nothing would give me more pleasure than seeing LeBron beat Curry, Durant and co. Preferably in Oracle again :drool:.
Let the hate flow through you, young Jedi. :)
 
Absolutely devastated by the all too predictable loss to the Celtics. We should have won this series in 5. Massive leads in both games to start the series in Boston - lost them both. We had a poor away record all season and it cost us big time in the playoffs.

I love John Wall - and he was brilliant this season, but his inconsistent jump shot is still a huge liability. Not sure how we get better...not a lot of cap space left...we really should have made the conference finals.

We matched up well with the Cavs this season - so, I think we might have stolen a game and kept another game close...but Cavs comfortable winners in the end. With the Celtics - I predict a Cavs sweep.

As for the Dubs-Spurs series...what a clusterfeck. Would have set up a really good series if the Spurs had held on to win game 1...as it is now, bring out the brooms. Kawhi will sit game 2 and he won't be a 100% in a week for game 3.

Real shame.

As for the Pachulia incident - I agree with Pop 100% - Pachulia knew what he was doing...but, and this is a massive but...Pop loved Bruce Bowen and Bowen made a career of doing shit like that. So, gotta suck it up Pop and move on - the hypocrisy is unseemly.
 
I'm tired of people bringing up Bruce Bowen. The only relevance to that is Pop looking the other way regarding player issues of his own (massive shocker), but I'm still in the dark as to what the feck that has to do with Kawhi, the other Spurs players, or the tons of teams shafted by that move.

fecking what-if-ism peddlers.
 
I'm tired of people bringing up Bruce Bowen. The only relevance to that is Pop looking the other way regarding player issues of his own (massive shocker), but I'm still in the dark as to what the feck that has to do with Kawhi, the other Spurs players, or the tons of teams shafted by that move.

fecking what-if-ism peddlers.

Yeah. Somehow Bruce Bowen behaving like he did several years ago makes it fine for Warriors to deliberately injure by far the best player of their opposition because they are down by 23.

It shifted and basically ended the whole series. Kawhi is now out for game 2 as well.
 
I'm tired of people bringing up Bruce Bowen. The only relevance to that is Pop looking the other way regarding player issues of his own (massive shocker), but I'm still in the dark as to what the feck that has to do with Kawhi, the other Spurs players, or the tons of teams shafted by that move.

fecking what-if-ism peddlers.
it matters because - Pop went out of his way to say....and I quote

'it's dangerous, it's unsportsmanlike, it's just not what anybody does to anybody else'

So - he had a right to be be angry (their season is over)...but the holier than thou attitude was beyond the usual hypocrisy we except from teams, players and coaches.
 
it matters because - Pop went out of his way to say....and I quote

'it's dangerous, it's unsportsmanlike, it's just not what anybody does to anybody else'

So - he had a right to be be angry (their season is over)...but the holier than thou attitude was beyond the usual hypocrisy we except from teams, players and coaches.

Right. Pop is a hypocrite. Anything else? Because before his remarks, Bruce Bowen was being brought up. I saw him trending on twitter and thought he died or something.
 
Draft lottery at 8pm ET tonight, probably the biggest moment of the Lakers season :lol: Really praying for a top three place here, around 45% chance we get one.
 


MJ is still GOAT, though


Comparing things across other genres (like movies) is ridiculous. Cowherd is simply driving hits and speculation to his show with nonsense like this. I easily have LeBron as one of the five greatest players to play the game, up there with Jordan, Magic, Kareem, and Wilt (granted Wilt dominated in a lesser era unlike the others and can be argued he should not be in this group).

Lets look at Cowherd's claim of three great teams. Disclaimer: LeBron left town to join forces with one top five player* and HOF lock (Wade) and one top 15/20ish player* (Bosh, possible HOFer) to win his first two titles. This can never be left off the table during a debate. While free agency is around now days and we'll never know what top players would have signed up with others back in the day, we definitely know LeBron jumped ship when the chance present itself. He also recruited a third surefire HOFer (Allen) for title number two. *Top player category at the present time not all-time.

First off, great teams aren't necessarily so because of HOF collection. Are the 1997 Rockets or 2004 Lakers a great team? Or is a must win Finals the lock to be labeled great? This can also apply to the 90s Jazz sides although their continued contention for more than a decade may ease the debate, depending on one's view.

Secondly, OKC was not a "great team" by great team standards, and the likes of Harden and Westbrook were nowhere near HOF caliber at the time (2011-12); Durant was on the HOF path while Westbrook was entering the elite player status (the debate raged on circa 2012), Harden was but a sixth man with massive potential that finally came into his own when traded. OKC won 47 games in the strike-shortened season, a win percentage that translates to about 58 wins in 82-games; the Bulls and Spurs won more games (50) that season. For me, "great teams" do 1) win 60+/equivalent of in a season multiple times, and/or 2) win championships before/after said loss, and/or 3) make multiple Finals appearances in short duration. OKC achieved 60 wins the following season before bowing out in the conference semis to a 5th seed. OKC never won a title before or after their lone Finals appearance to boot. A very good team but never in the contention for greatness. Cowherd simply coined great to create his false point.

Third, San Antonio was a great team, no doubt. This point cannot be argued realistically. The only contention I'd make is if not for a great Bosh rebound-kickout to Allen who then made a ridiculous shot to save the season, LeBron again loses a series despite being the favorite (recall Dallas, 2011). And do recall who missed that potential tying shot in Game 6 that led to the aforementioned play that bailed LeBron out of another summer of more criticism (fair or unfair). That said, LeBron went off in Game 7, credit to him but he owes it all to Bosh and Allen. Oh, and the (aging) Spurs humiliated the Heat in 2014. It's not fair to call out LeBron on the 2007 Finals loss as his side was vastly inferior to the Spurs.

Fourth, Golden State, while a great team obviously, currently posses two surefire HOF players, Curry and Durant, while Green may end up there but Thompson is nowhere near that level IMO. Thompson could be down the road if he puts up a career similar to say Ginobli, Dumars, (Dennis) Johnson, etc. who played pivotal, all-star roles on dominating sides. Or he ends up a Rolando Blackmon, a Byron Scott, a Horace Grant, etc. - top players for great/good teams but not quite HOF standard. Green will probably end up a McHale, a Walton, a Rodman type that was so crucial to a championship side and a damn great player in his own right. I'll give GS three HOF players today but only two when LeBron beat them last season.

Fifth, Jordan did play some very good sides with only the Jazz being up for true greatness level IMO.
- The 91 Lakers did feature two HOFers but one was injured as Cowherd noted and that side was more of a former/historical great side that had fallen a notch or two down to being a very good team.
- The 92 Blazers were a top side and had been since the late 80s and into the mid 90s, with one HOF player (Drexler), and could be argued for greatness considering they appeared in two finals (90,92) and topped 60 wins in 91. I'd say they're more of an "almost great" side.
- The 93 Suns were a very good side and featured one HOFer, one should be HOFer (Chambers), and a few top class players (KJ, Majerle); KJ was playing at a HOF lock level in the early 90s before injuries hit. It can be argued this Suns side were just as good perhaps better than both the 11 Mavs and 12 Thunder.
- The 96 Sonics were better than the 12 Thunder, and if Cowherd will say the Thunder were great he must call the 96 Sonics great. Payton is the only actual HOFer from that Sonics side but many may forget that Kemp was playing like a future HOFer at that point, unlike say Harden in 12. Also note that Seattle topped 60 wins in 1994, 1996, and 1998 seasons but never won a title and made one Finals appearance (like OKC).
- The 97 & 98 Jazz are clearly a great side if Cowherd considers the 12 Thunder. Two HOF players still at peak performance despite advanced age along with a solid supporting cast and a HOF coach but missing that one extra option that may have allowed them to overcome the Bulls.

Finally, Jordan never lost to the lesser side, nor when playing on a stacked powerhouse side. This should end the argument honestly and could be the first (and only) point to debunk any claim like Cowherd's. I didn't hear Cowherd mention the 2011 Mavericks, nowhere near a great team but a great collection of veterans with one HOFer in his prime (Dirk) and a future HOFer (Kidd) that had clearly faded from past glory days. I suppose Marion and/or Terry will be considered for enshrinement but I don't foresee actual inclusion.

If one wants to argue that Finals appearances reflect LeBron's greatness over Jordan's I would find that a more reasonable debate. Magic made nine Finals appearances, granted he was hobbled in the eight and aging in the ninth (and possibly already with the HIV), and those losses are rarely if ever held against him - although it is ultimately what vaunted Jordan past him in the GOAT talks. Well that and six Finals MVPs in six Finals appearances. Kinda tough to argue against that.
 
That is a great post, although personally I would have LeBron top 3 rather than top 5. Kudos! :)
 
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We keep our pick :cool: Who's the next best player after Fultz? Lonzo Ball?
 
We keep our pick :cool: Who's the next best player after Fultz? Lonzo Ball?

Probably yeah. There is a good argument for Jackson as well though and if he could be made into a 2 guard then I would rather go with him. Lonzo is a very good point guard though and his willingness to make those around him better will translate well at the next level.
 
Of course we drop to 8th :rolleyes:

I think we are taking Frank Ntilikina now for sure. Smith JR would be a good pick but he doesn't have the attributes Phil likes in the triangle so he will go for Frank.
 
So it's Fulz to Boston, Ball to Lakers, and Jackson to 76ers?
Hard to say. I think Ball is a certain one for the Lakers but Boston might trade their pick for a star. 76ers could go for Tatum or even Monk, which would certainly mean Jackson to the Suns.
 
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Can't believe the pathetic Lakers and sixers get yet again top 3 picks, poor Suns.
Knicks dropping to 8th is amusing. It's gonna be really interesting now what Boston does, use the pick to trade for Butler or get Fultz/Ball for long term development? feck billy king and his ridiculous trade.
 
Celtics should try to trade IT, his stock will never be higher after this year and he's not that young anymore either. If they get something good for him and draft Fultz, they're set for the future.
 
Celtics should try to trade IT, his stock will never be higher after this year and he's not that young anymore either. If they get something good for him and draft Fultz, they're set for the future.

Also what I was arguing on another forum. They will 100% select Fultz with no. 1 and realistically still don't look likely to challenge for title immediately with Warriors and Cavaliers window falling now.

Best case scenario they get a pick back and take Tatum or Jackson with it. Problem is, they'd need to do a trade with 76ers to get it and I am not sure 76ers will prefer Thomas to a young player.
 
More interested too see what the Lakers are going to do with their second pick in the 1st. My gut feeling would be to package it with Deng and try and tempt someone to take that contract off of us for minimal return. Then try and make a run for both Paul George and DeMarcus Cousins in the 2018 off season.
 
More interested too see what the Lakers are going to do with their second pick in the 1st. My gut feeling would be to package it with Deng and try and tempt someone to take that contract off of us for minimal return. Then try and make a run for both Paul George and DeMarcus Cousins in the 2018 off season.

Probably a good idea but I am not sure anyone will want Deng at all. They'll have to eat his contract until the very end.

So it's basically clear cut that Celtics will select Fultz, Lakers will get Ball and 76ers will take Josh Jackson?
 
I just hate the idea of trading IT , the guy is a legit star and to trade him at this stage for a prospective star makes no sense to me
 
Problem is, they'd need to do a trade with 76ers to get it and I am not sure 76ers will prefer Thomas to a young player.
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More interested too see what the Lakers are going to do with their second pick in the 1st. My gut feeling would be to package it with Deng and try and tempt someone to take that contract off of us for minimal return. Then try and make a run for both Paul George and DeMarcus Cousins in the 2018 off season.
A certain UCLA kid could be brought back from Oklahoma City...